Beating on school bus upsets parents

[HAL 9000 96]

Because with higher population density = higher probability of violence under the 'realm' of poverty. This naturally includes the all-of-the-above combo (lack of education, lack of financial resources, lack of positive role models, abundance of negative role models). Place poor white, green, yellow, brown, red, blue, gold, transparent, and opaque folks under identical historical, economical, and social conditions and you'll see the same exact pattern of violence.

That justifies the cities but what about the suburban areas. The United states is not exactly a country where the majority of people live in metropolitan areas you know; like Australia that is. Furthermore, I grew up in a situation like that; inner city and certainly without a golden spoon up my ####. Like many other immigrants, my parents migrated to the country with no comprehension of the language or culture, and with $10 to their name. How is it we did not resort to violence or gang banging? instead we went to college.

Another point. You want to know the background of the best behaved kids in my street? African American parents. Why? because they're on their back 24/7. They use old school big mama style parenting. I constantly commend them for their excellent parenting skills. Kids are well mannered, friendly and courteous. Worst douche bag kids, yep white kids. Why because their parents just buy them ####### and let them do whatever they want. Whenever one of them is injured doing something stupid, you just here them laugh like clowns.

While this is a micro example, it does show the difference in parenting and attitude.

Suburban areas where the crime migrates from the urban areas outwards? That's the usual pattern. Behavior, once learned, is very difficult to unlearn- whichever the magnitude and vector.

I can't speculate on your familial circumstance nor can I on Melbourne of yesteryear. Perhaps you got lucky with your parents' brand of an upbringing.

[Heracles 417]

Life or a society is what you make it. The key is to enforce the laws and ensure everyone understands that no one is above the law and everyone will be punished accordingly. While you and I disagree on the difference in parenting, I can say from my own experience, the personal responsibility of parents has changed.

From what I hear through the grape vine I am younger than you. So how do I notice this difference. Furthermore, I went to a school that had a reputation around the entire city. Yet we all knew when and where to draw the line. No one would have dared pull a stunt like that off.

That sort of behavior is unacceptable in 2009 and the two kids involved should be punished accordingly. Then sent to the appropriate behavior modification schools. If the parents are negligent too, they should be fined accordingly.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Booyah!

[HAL 9000 96]

Life or a society is what you make it. The key is to enforce the laws and ensure everyone understands that no one is above the law and everyone will be punished accordingly. While you and I disagree on the difference in parenting, I can say from my own experience, the personal responsibility of parents has changed.

From what I hear through the grape vine I am younger than you. So how do I notice this difference. Furthermore, I went to a school that had a reputation around the entire city. Yet we all knew when and where to draw the line. No one would have dared pull a stunt like that off.

That sort of behavior is unacceptable in 2009 and the two kids involved should be punished accordingly. Then sent to the appropriate behavior modification schools. If the parents are negligent too, they should be fined accordingly.

Oh I believe in firm parenting. Discipline has a VERY central role. I also believe in teaching the value of consequence.

As for my educational background I've been and lived through nearly the entire spectrum on the socioeconomic scale.

I have seen the same kind of bullying as much as I've seen the similar institutional abuse of power and the blessings that privilege confers upon certain kinds of bullies.

[Heracles 417]

School districts need to develop the appropriate policies for bullying. Beginning with a one strike you are out policy for violence. The counties then need to develop appropriate schools that have a different curriculum for such kids. There is no point in trying to teach a kid science or algebra when they don't even know how to behave like a normal civilized human being. They also need to learn the consequences of their actions. They need to see where bullies end up; which is usually in prison.

I am sure the parents of two who beat up the kid, will state it's not their kids fault or they will hide and pretend it never happened.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Booyah!

[Nikita2Charles 32]

White or black this is just wrong, those kids who attacked the student should be punished, and they should also use that video as Bullying awareness, what's wrong is wrong it doesn't matter if you black or white.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Nikita2Charles

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Life or a society is what you make it. The key is to enforce the laws and ensure everyone understands that no one is above the law and everyone will be punished accordingly. While you and I disagree on the difference in parenting, I can say from my own experience, the personal responsibility of parents has changed.

From what I hear through the grape vine I am younger than you. So how do I notice this difference. Furthermore, I went to a school that had a reputation around the entire city. Yet we all knew when and where to draw the line. No one would have dared pull a stunt like that off.

That sort of behavior is unacceptable in 2009 and the two kids involved should be punished accordingly. Then sent to the appropriate behavior modification schools. If the parents are negligent too, they should be fined accordingly.

Maybe you could beat up the parents, like you were going to when you were at the mall and the kid was acting up?

[Heracles 417]

Maybe you could beat up the parents, like you were going to when you were at the mall and the kid was acting up?

Did you run out of your prescription or something. I'll send you the $30, if need be.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Maybe you could beat up the parents, like you were going to when you were at the mall and the kid was acting up?

Did you run out of your prescription or something. I'll send you the $30, if need be.

Come to Boston.

[GabiandVi 34]

I'm so sorry I watched this video. It makes me sick to my stomach. I'm less disgusted by the actual beating than by the laughing and the fact that NO ONE attempted to stop it. The kid got on, was immediately beaten; most of the other riders thought it was hilarious; another 5 minutes passed; another d*ck got up, walked to the back of the bus for the express purpose of hitting the same kid; and again the others on the bus just stood up and watched; finally, another 12 minutes later, the kid gets off the bus. The bus driver, none of those kids who all undoubtedly had cell phones ever called the police. The driver didn't even stop the bus. And the part that makes me just want to spit is that the sh*theads were high-fiving each other and laughing like it was all a big joke while they had to know that they were on video. There was no shame. In fact, the opposite.

How can we have hope for boys like that? How can we not write them off and prepare the cell for their inevitible arrival? How do you turn someone like that around? I lose hope when I see this sort of thing. I'd rather bury my head because I can't see what we can do to change the individuals. They are lost, it seems. It's just so depressing.

And why is it so funny to the onlookers? It's always clear the moment a fight starts at school because suddenly everyone jumps up and starts running to a central location. No matter how out of the line of sight it is, they somehow always know when a fight is going on. It's like some sort of magnet pulls them all together. There's a mob surrounding the fighters within seconds of the first punch being pulled. Then they are excited for the rest of the day, laughing and telling each other that they missed it, or expressing disappointment that they actually did miss it. No matter how much time I spend around teenagers, this is something I will never understand.

[Heracles 417]

Any student who laughed in the video should be reprimanded. About time kids learn consequences for their actions or endorsing such idiocy. Lets see who laughs if they are expelled. These are not 12 years old kid, they're 16; less than two years shy of being adults.

Now if we had Singapore's laws, such incidents would never take place. Not too many kids who can take a lashing.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It doesn't take much for the inner sadist to come out does it.

[Ban Hammer 13,658]

Any student who laughed in the video should be reprimanded. About time kids learn consequences for their actions or endorsing such idiocy. Lets see who laughs if they are expelled. These are not 12 years old kid, they're 16; less than two years shy of being adults.

Now if we had Singapore's laws, such incidents would never take place. Not too many kids who can take a lashing.

i guess you'll revisit this topic once your suspension is over......

[Danno 1,228]

It shameful to use use poverty as some excuse or "reason to understand" what we see in this vid.

In times past, our Black citizens were a lot poorer and this was nowhere hear as common as it is now.

I have seen this same exact thing several times and I went to a average income school, where most people, black or white were middle class and we had the same sort of things going on with the same "group participation".

I recall three Black students jackin up this Asian kid because he didn't move out of the way fast enough, two of them even pushed him inside of a locker (this was in the locker room) and the third one pissed on him for about ten seconds. Everyone wanted to do something but this group of three could turn into five or six and be on you next.

Other black kids were disgusted by it too but for the same reason they just went the other way.

This was just an average "Township school" in NJ, I can only imagine what a zoo it would be like in a Phili public school.

This automatic assumption that Black= poverty, is stereo typing if anything is.

Unfortunately Black crime rates are as much as 10 times as high as others and explaining this by using the same ole "poverty-card" is not only gettin old...... but does not reflect facts.

Even Blacks in middle class incomes are still, many times their white neighbors in rates of crime.

I guess all of us have answers to help solve or deal with one social problem or another and I am no exception but.... I really have few answers on what can be done to combat this problem in any real way.

If I could wave a magic wand.. I would drastically increase Black fathers in the homes.

I believe this super-rate of single mothers..... raising teen boys, awash in a culture which glorifies violence and anti-social behavior is the biggest factor feeding this fire.

I doubt any group could sustain such high rates of fatherless children and not see similar effects.

[HAL 9000 96]

It shameful to use use poverty as some excuse or "reason to understand" what we see in this vid.

In times past, our Black citizens were a lot poorer and this was nowhere hear as common as it is now.

I have seen this same exact thing several times and I went to a average income school, where most people, black or white were middle class and we had the same sort of things going on with the same "group participation".

I recall three Black students jackin up this Asian kid because he didn't move out of the way fast enough, two of them even pushed him inside of a locker (this was in the locker room) and the third one pissed on him for about ten seconds. Everyone wanted to do something but this group of three could turn into five or six and be on you next.

Other black kids were disgusted by it too but for the same reason they just went the other way.

This was just an average "Township school" in NJ, I can only imagine what a zoo it would be like in a Phili public school.

This automatic assumption that Black= poverty, is stereo typing if anything is.

Unfortunately Black crime rates are as much as 10 times as high as others and explaining this by using the same ole "poverty-card" is not only gettin old...... but does not reflect facts.

Even Blacks in middle class incomes are still, many times their white neighbors in rates of crime.

I guess all of us have answers to help solve or deal with one social problem or another and I am no exception but.... I really have few answers on what can be done to combat this problem in any real way.

If I could wave a magic wand.. I would drastically increase Black fathers in the homes.

I believe this super-rate of single mothers..... raising teen boys, awash in a culture which glorifies violence and anti-social behavior is the biggest factor feeding this fire.

I doubt any group could sustain such high rates of fatherless children and not see similar effects.

What is more shameful is to misinterpret the obvious claims that what you put in bold is already included in that part of the analysis previously stated. Your ability to bait others with misinformed statements has diminished greatly. Its natural I suppose.

Note how we are not in disagreement.

[AlHayatZween 2]

This is a tragic story, but unfortunately bullying among school kids happens...in all colors and social strata... and it's nothing new, but it seems the offenses are much, much more f*ed up than from back in the day from when my parents would tell me stories about bullies. Now kids are really, really messed up.

But mostly, i can't believe the bus driver didn't do anything... He/She probably can't get involved because of some sort of inane policy about putting your hands on students... or maybe he/she was afraid of getting hurt...

But for God's sake, stop the bus and call 911? And start calling the kids out by name to let them know you're witnessing the whole event and going to report it....?