Beating on school bus upsets parents

[The_Dude 1,142]

Scott,

If you want this kid to be punished for what he did, you are going to have to do some legwork yourself. I know it sounds really crappy, but far to often, prosecutors and police want to write off a situation like that. Not write it off as some sort of youthful indisgretion, but as something that an immature child who hasn't been raised right would do. I don't know about Florida, but here in California, you have every right to sue the kids parents for damages. If it were me, I would go a step further and ensure that the child was prosecuted because of the malicious intent. If nothing else, at least if he does it again, there will be a pattern established and more than likely tried as an adult. I would go to the police tomorrow and request a temporary restraining order and then to the school district to talk to the principal. This sort of behavior should result in expulsion.

Funny how times have changed. When I was 11, on the last day of school, a kid hit me with a piece of wood from wood shop. Split my lip and cut my gums up. My father refused to go to the police, or even try to get the kid suspended. He did what my grandfather did for him, he made me take boxing lessons for the next 5 years. That kid learned his lesson 2 years later when he tried to pick on me again. But in todays age, would anyone really be shocked if a 12 year old had a gun? I'm not implying that its common place for a teen to carry a gun, but it's happened so much across this country, it really wouldn't surprise me anymore.

[Danno 1,228]

And you can expect his "punishment" to be as lame as your response..... which feeds right into this very behavior.

Sorry to take shots at you but this very attitude of your is part of the problem, I would have consulted an Attorney already if this was an unprovoked attack from behind.

It was unprovoked/ from behind attack and the atty was called minutes after.. the police are doing a report and criminal charges are being filed... the shots do affect me... I know it will all be addressed if I handle it calmly and through the right channels

Let me give you a little free advice..... When dealing with the public school (in fact most schools) YOU HAVE TO PUSH TO GET RESULTS.

I would have certainly spoke to the police and see if charges couldn't be brought. ( I forget the age involved)

Don't question "why" this kid did it, I did stuff when I was a kid that had no logic to and all of it wasn't harmless either, in fact I went to a school where this same type thing when on and I can tell you, this kid was getting "high fives" about it from his friends, now it's important that his friends see he pays a price, lay back and let "justice" take it's course and I doubt that will happen which feeds into the "Limit factor" these kids learn to live with in school and life.

[ScottThuy 140]

Scott,

If you want this kid to be punished for what he did, you are going to have to do some legwork yourself. I know it sounds really crappy, but far to often, prosecutors and police want to write off a situation like that. Not write it off as some sort of youthful indisgretion, but as something that an immature child who hasn't been raised right would do. I don't know about Florida, but here in California, you have every right to sue the kids parents for damages. If it were me, I would go a step further and ensure that the child was prosecuted because of the malicious intent. If nothing else, at least if he does it again, there will be a pattern established and more than likely tried as an adult. I would go to the police tomorrow and request a temporary restraining order and then to the school district to talk to the principal. This sort of behavior should result in expulsion.

Funny how times have changed. When I was 11, on the last day of school, a kid hit me with a piece of wood from wood shop. Split my lip and cut my gums up. My father refused to go to the police, or even try to get the kid suspended. He did what my grandfather did for him, he made me take boxing lessons for the next 5 years. That kid learned his lesson 2 years later when he tried to pick on me again. But in todays age, would anyone really be shocked if a 12 year old had a gun? I'm not implying that its common place for a teen to carry a gun, but it's happened so much across this country, it really wouldn't surprise me anymore.

True that!!! My atty is waiting for the police report to proceed with a suit against the parents.. its all in motion already as I also made sure that the police were involved.. the school initialy downplayed the police role in it... what may be commonplace for school admin is unacceptible to me...

[The_Dude 1,142]

Scott,

If you want this kid to be punished for what he did, you are going to have to do some legwork yourself. I know it sounds really crappy, but far to often, prosecutors and police want to write off a situation like that. Not write it off as some sort of youthful indisgretion, but as something that an immature child who hasn't been raised right would do. I don't know about Florida, but here in California, you have every right to sue the kids parents for damages. If it were me, I would go a step further and ensure that the child was prosecuted because of the malicious intent. If nothing else, at least if he does it again, there will be a pattern established and more than likely tried as an adult. I would go to the police tomorrow and request a temporary restraining order and then to the school district to talk to the principal. This sort of behavior should result in expulsion.

Funny how times have changed. When I was 11, on the last day of school, a kid hit me with a piece of wood from wood shop. Split my lip and cut my gums up. My father refused to go to the police, or even try to get the kid suspended. He did what my grandfather did for him, he made me take boxing lessons for the next 5 years. That kid learned his lesson 2 years later when he tried to pick on me again. But in todays age, would anyone really be shocked if a 12 year old had a gun? I'm not implying that its common place for a teen to carry a gun, but it's happened so much across this country, it really wouldn't surprise me anymore.

True that!!! My atty is waiting for the police report to proceed with a suit against the parents.. its all in motion already as I also made sure that the police were involved.. the school initialy downplayed the police role in it... what may be commonplace for school admin is unacceptible to me...

The school wants to downplay it because of two reasons. First, negative publicity like this directly effects their job security. Secondly, they are undoubtedly scared of a lawsuit for "Failure to provide a safe learning environment". Those magic words scare school administrators and school boards to death. Those sorts of lawsuits come with hefty punitive damages and require them to hire expensive legal representation. Those aren't easy cases to prove, but if you can actually get to trial on one, they will frequently try to settle out of court. The perception that it would create if they were found guilty is far more reaching than a kid getting sucker punched to them.

[HAL 9000 96]

Scott,

If you want this kid to be punished for what he did, you are going to have to do some legwork yourself. I know it sounds really crappy, but far to often, prosecutors and police want to write off a situation like that. Not write it off as some sort of youthful indisgretion, but as something that an immature child who hasn't been raised right would do. I don't know about Florida, but here in California, you have every right to sue the kids parents for damages. If it were me, I would go a step further and ensure that the child was prosecuted because of the malicious intent. If nothing else, at least if he does it again, there will be a pattern established and more than likely tried as an adult. I would go to the police tomorrow and request a temporary restraining order and then to the school district to talk to the principal. This sort of behavior should result in expulsion.

Funny how times have changed. When I was 11, on the last day of school, a kid hit me with a piece of wood from wood shop. Split my lip and cut my gums up. My father refused to go to the police, or even try to get the kid suspended. He did what my grandfather did for him, he made me take boxing lessons for the next 5 years. That kid learned his lesson 2 years later when he tried to pick on me again. But in todays age, would anyone really be shocked if a 12 year old had a gun? I'm not implying that its common place for a teen to carry a gun, but it's happened so much across this country, it really wouldn't surprise me anymore.

True that!!! My atty is waiting for the police report to proceed with a suit against the parents.. its all in motion already as I also made sure that the police were involved.. the school initialy downplayed the police role in it... what may be commonplace for school admin is unacceptible to me...

Very good. Many times school administrators, independently of public or private, will try to sugarcoat things so a scandal is avoided when dealing with cases like these. I hope you guys get your day in court. It is clear the punk will probably get what's coming to him later on down the line anyway...

Scott,

If you want this kid to be punished for what he did, you are going to have to do some legwork yourself. I know it sounds really crappy, but far to often, prosecutors and police want to write off a situation like that. Not write it off as some sort of youthful indisgretion, but as something that an immature child who hasn't been raised right would do. I don't know about Florida, but here in California, you have every right to sue the kids parents for damages. If it were me, I would go a step further and ensure that the child was prosecuted because of the malicious intent. If nothing else, at least if he does it again, there will be a pattern established and more than likely tried as an adult. I would go to the police tomorrow and request a temporary restraining order and then to the school district to talk to the principal. This sort of behavior should result in expulsion.

Funny how times have changed. When I was 11, on the last day of school, a kid hit me with a piece of wood from wood shop. Split my lip and cut my gums up. My father refused to go to the police, or even try to get the kid suspended. He did what my grandfather did for him, he made me take boxing lessons for the next 5 years. That kid learned his lesson 2 years later when he tried to pick on me again. But in todays age, would anyone really be shocked if a 12 year old had a gun? I'm not implying that its common place for a teen to carry a gun, but it's happened so much across this country, it really wouldn't surprise me anymore.

True that!!! My atty is waiting for the police report to proceed with a suit against the parents.. its all in motion already as I also made sure that the police were involved.. the school initialy downplayed the police role in it... what may be commonplace for school admin is unacceptible to me...

The school wants to downplay it because of two reasons. First, negative publicity like this directly effects their job security. Secondly, they are undoubtedly scared of a lawsuit for "Failure to provide a safe learning environment". Those magic words scare school administrators and school boards to death. Those sorts of lawsuits come with hefty punitive damages and require them to hire expensive legal representation. Those aren't easy cases to prove, but if you can actually get to trial on one, they will frequently try to settle out of court. The perception that it would create if they were found guilty is far more reaching than a kid getting sucker punched to them.

Yep. If you can prove negligence... you will certainly be entitled to more in damages if the school is named in any future suit.

[ScottThuy 140]

I will be interested t see if it was the first thing the kid has done

[Ban Hammer 13,658]

Scott,

If you want this kid to be punished for what he did, you are going to have to do some legwork yourself. I know it sounds really crappy, but far to often, prosecutors and police want to write off a situation like that. Not write it off as some sort of youthful indisgretion, but as something that an immature child who hasn't been raised right would do. I don't know about Florida, but here in California, you have every right to sue the kids parents for damages. If it were me, I would go a step further and ensure that the child was prosecuted because of the malicious intent. If nothing else, at least if he does it again, there will be a pattern established and more than likely tried as an adult. I would go to the police tomorrow and request a temporary restraining order and then to the school district to talk to the principal. This sort of behavior should result in expulsion.

Funny how times have changed. When I was 11, on the last day of school, a kid hit me with a piece of wood from wood shop. Split my lip and cut my gums up. My father refused to go to the police, or even try to get the kid suspended. He did what my grandfather did for him, he made me take boxing lessons for the next 5 years. That kid learned his lesson 2 years later when he tried to pick on me again. But in todays age, would anyone really be shocked if a 12 year old had a gun? I'm not implying that its common place for a teen to carry a gun, but it's happened so much across this country, it really wouldn't surprise me anymore.

True that!!! My atty is waiting for the police report to proceed with a suit against the parents.. its all in motion already as I also made sure that the police were involved.. the school initialy downplayed the police role in it... what may be commonplace for school admin is unacceptible to me...

The school wants to downplay it because of two reasons. First, negative publicity like this directly effects their job security. Secondly, they are undoubtedly scared of a lawsuit for "Failure to provide a safe learning environment". Those magic words scare school administrators and school boards to death. Those sorts of lawsuits come with hefty punitive damages and require them to hire expensive legal representation. Those aren't easy cases to prove, but if you can actually get to trial on one, they will frequently try to settle out of court. The perception that it would create if they were found guilty is far more reaching than a kid getting sucker punched to them.

:thumbs: :thumbs:

the negative media attention alone scares school board members.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm waiting for the "Beating on school bus excites parents" thread.

[PlatyPius 5]

"Beating on school bus upsets parents"

I have no problem with someone beating on a school bus.....

[Danno 1,228]

I will be interested t see if it was the first thing the kid has done

Principle: We understand your son had his face purposely bashed-in by one of our hoodlums causing two teeth to break off in his mouth.... believe me when I say "I understand how you feel".. but,

we must "respect" the privacy of this student and his school records and for that reason we can't tell you of his behavioral history.

[HAL 9000 96]

Court order can open a school record. That was likely the entire point which Dannoreader missed.

[Danno 1,228]

Court order can open a school record. That was likely the entire point which Dannoreader missed.

No Sh_t Sherlock.

[HAL 9000 96]

Court order can open a school record. That was likely the entire point which Dannoreader missed.

No Sh_t Sherlock.

Keep digging then, Watson. You obviously missed it the first time (no surprise ).

[slim 1,533]

I missed this thread back in Sept. I used to live in Belleville, IL., so I guess I can provide a somewhat unique perspective on the matter, especially since I've worked with Belleville P.D. on numerous occasions as well. My insight - this is no different than what happens every day in a suburban school system somewhere in the U.S. Why was it a big deal? Same reason it's always a big deal. Race.... and the fact that it was on TV. Had one of those elements not manifested itself, we would've never heard about it. Not surprising we haven't heard anything more about it since.

I don't want to allege that your son did anything, Scott, but really, what did he do? I find it hard to believe he was randomly picked by this kid in his class. Did he have a history with this kid? Has this kid attempted to bully him before? Had they recently had a spat over something? The whole "no reason at all" thing doesn't fly. Once again, not saying your kid did anything, but I was 12 once (as I'm sure most of us were) and 12-year-olds have a very developed sense of pecking order. What caused the flaw in the Matrix?

When I was 11, on the last day of school, a kid hit me with a piece of wood from wood shop.

would anyone really be shocked if a 12 year old had a gun? I'm not implying that its common place for a teen to carry a gun, but it's happened so much across this country, it really wouldn't surprise me anymore.

What about the 16-year-old honor student in Chicago that got beat to death with a board while walking to the bus stop?

I don't remember hearing a public outcry to ban wood.

[Ban Hammer 13,658]

I don't remember hearing a public outcry to ban wood.

mrs tiger is still working on that.