Beating on school bus upsets parents

[Heracles 417]

Australia^TM where even the bullying is civilized.

Presumably if you wanted to call someone out for a fight - it involved slapping someone with a white glove before the start of the opera.

Don't confuse us for a Brit six. We are convicts after all.

Slave vs Convict = slave wins. Heck Her Majesty the Queen couldn't even kill us.

Edited September 17, 2009 by Booyah!

[Ling Ling 22]

And again... how did Dean's post apply to any of the bolded parts?

Kids beating on kids is fvcked up. Racial profiling is fvcked up. One way or the other.

So is ignoring the reality that violence and minorities go hand in hand. Hence the ridiculously low crime rates in states where less than 1% of the population is a minority. The only reason this problem does not improve is that any attempt to deal with the issue automatically results in stereotyping, profiling or better yet racist allegations. The only way around it is for people to move into upscale neighborhoods where a certain demographic does not exist.

Much like rape is acceptable in certain cultures over others, so is violence. Something the president has discussed himself. Maybe you need to be beaten up like that and then come back and tell us how you still refuse to stereotype. If you still feel that way after that, I will totally change my stance on this.

The beating was pretty bad, and not excusable on any account. I'm actually more upset with everyone else on the bus who just sat by, watched, cheered, and took pictures. I mean, the kid that was the aggressor obviously has problems, and I'm sure many on the bus knew that, but none of them coming to the aid of the kid...that makes me sick. For me, the lack of any compassion from the many is more extreme than the violence by the few. I guess some could say, "at least they didn't join in", but as was once said, "If you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem". I don't care if the perp was only 15, he deserves to go to prison. He's dangerous and offers absolutely nothing to society. Likewise, the others on the bus are not entirely innocent. They all (black and white) fostered an environment that allowed the perp to think the beating was acceptable in some way.

As for this idea that it's a cultural thing...####### planet are you from? What culture is more accepting of rape and violence? Please provide some research or data points or stf up. You want to talk about violent youth...what about Columbine. Was that in a predominately Black area? Was it perpetrated by the Black students? Have we ever seen anything of that scale? How many police videos have you seen with a group of Black police beating a White suspect? Turn on the show Cops, and it's easy to see a scene where some Black criminal commits a petty crime (steals a t-shirt) and ends up being tackled to the ground with a police officer's knee on his throat. Turn on the news and it's easy to see a scene where some wealthy White criminal commits a large scale crime (essentially steals the savings of thousands of people) and ends up at home with his attorneys negotiating a convenient time for him to come to the station and discuss the possibility of charges. Yeah, Black people just get away with anything in this country. It's almost as if they're invisible.

[Marzy 1]

It is not a racial problems when the victim is white.

Hate or Racial jealousy.

Edited September 17, 2009 by S*J

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It is not a racial problems when the victim is white.

Hate or Racial jealousy.

I think it could've been a racial problem, or it could've been a sexual orientation problem, or it could've been a lack of self hygiene problem.

Only those on the bus really know. I think there are some here that WANT it to be a racial problem. I'm pretty sure the pain the kid had didn't have any color, and wouldn't have been any less painful if his attacker was White. However, given that the 2 attackers were Black, I don't see any reason NOT to treat it as a hate crime,

until proven otherwise. Those kids definitely hated something about the kid to beat him as they did.

The bottom line, there wasn't a single person on the bus that was innocent. Not a single person. Including the victim, the other passengers, and the bus driver.

I'm not saying the perp(s) are any less guilty, or that they should not be tried to the fullest extent of the law. I think I made it clear in my previous post that the perp is a low life piece of trash that is of no use to our society except to insure that prison guards have job security.

So why are there no innocents? The bus driver, no matter what his regulations are, when he sees a kid getting beaten should've radio'd it in, stopped the bus, and at least tried to use his authority to prevent further violence. What if it was HIS kid, you think he would've gone by the book? As for the other passengers, not one of the kids had the balls to standup against one unarmed bully. These are NOT the kind of people I want to call my fellow citizens. These are NOT the kind of people I would want to fly on a plane with. These are NOT the kind of people I could have any respect for. Even if none of them are the fighting kind, one of them could've offered the kid a safe place to sit. None of them, Black, White, male or female, gave a damn. The victim...he was one of the oldest students on the bus. He should know when it's a good time to stand up, and when it's a good time to walk away. There is no honor or intelligence in pushing your face into someone's fist. The kid did nothing to defend himself. For some bullies this could be more inviting or more frustrating. I'm not saying to feel sorry for the perp, but to know that being a victim is sometimes a choice. The kid had a lot of choices, especially after the first attack. I would've been at the front of the bus or exiting the back, no way I'd try to sit down next to another idiot. This kid had been warned, just as if you were driving 80mph in the rain and your rear-end wiggles. If you stay at that speed, it's no accident when you crash, it's amazing if you don't.

[Marzy 1]

It is not a racial problems when the victim is white.

Hate or Racial jealousy.

I think it could've been a racial problem, or it could've been a sexual orientation problem, or it could've been a lack of self hygiene problem.

Only those on the bus really know. I think there are some here that WANT it to be a racial problem. I'm pretty sure the pain the kid had didn't have any color, and wouldn't have been any less painful if his attacker was White. However, given that the 2 attackers were Black, I don't see any reason NOT to treat it as a hate crime,

until proven otherwise. Those kids definitely hated something about the kid to beat him as they did.

The bottom line, there wasn't a single person on the bus that was innocent. Not a single person. Including the victim, the other passengers, and the bus driver.

I'm not saying the perp(s) are any less guilty, or that they should not be tried to the fullest extent of the law. I think I made it clear in my previous post that the perp is a low life piece of trash that is of no use to our society except to insure that prison guards have job security.

So why are there no innocents? The bus driver, no matter what his regulations are, when he sees a kid getting beaten should've radio'd it in, stopped the bus, and at least tried to use his authority to prevent further violence. What if it was HIS kid, you think he would've gone by the book? As for the other passengers, not one of the kids had the balls to standup against one unarmed bully. These are NOT the kind of people I want to call my fellow citizens. These are NOT the kind of people I would want to fly on a plane with. These are NOT the kind of people I could have any respect for. Even if none of them are the fighting kind, one of them could've offered the kid a safe place to sit. None of them, Black, White, male or female, gave a damn. The victim...he was one of the oldest students on the bus. He should know when it's a good time to stand up, and when it's a good time to walk away. There is no honor or intelligence in pushing your face into someone's fist. The kid did nothing to defend himself. For some bullies this could be more inviting or more frustrating. I'm not saying to feel sorry for the perp, but to know that being a victim is sometimes a choice. The kid had a lot of choices, especially after the first attack. I would've been at the front of the bus or exiting the back, no way I'd try to sit down next to another idiot. This kid had been warned, just as if you were driving 80mph in the rain and your rear-end wiggles. If you stay at that speed, it's no accident when you crash, it's amazing if you don't.

The school taugh children no RETALIATION, but they can't figure how to fix those bullies.

My child has Black, Mexican, Muslim, and Caucasian classmates. Obviously, my daughter knows how to identify colors. Sometimes, she comes home and tell me that one of her classmates is hitting her. I undermind this because they're children. I wouldn't if there is damaged. Also, I know is not the child fault, but the parents. It's parents duty to discipline their children. How their parents feel if my child hitting their kid at school? Personally, I ain't sending my child at school to be a punching bag for the bully. I avoid to hurt her, but the little fkers after her.

Edited September 17, 2009 by S*J

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The school taugh children no RETALIATION, but they can't figure how to fix those bullies.

My child has Black, Mexican, Muslim, and Caucasian classmates. Obviously, my daughter knows how to identify colors. Sometimes, she comes home and tell me that one of her classmates is hitting her. I undermind this because they're children. I wouldn't if there is damaged. Also, I know is not the child fault, but the parents. It's parents duty to discipline their children. How their parents feel if my child hitting their kid at school? Personally, I ain't sending my child at school to be a punching bag for the bully. I avoid to hurt her, but the little fkers after her.

No RETALIATION and no self defense are two different things. Self defense doesn't mean you have to throw a punch. You can move out of the way, run in another direction, or even ball up into a fetal position without retaliating. I hope the school isn't teaching them to be victims.

As for your situation, you're right to blame the parents...but you shouldn't stop with blaming them. You say there was no damage...but if there was no damage, she wouldn't have mentioned it. Maybe stopping this bullying behavior now, will prevent issues in the future (your child's or the bullies).

Most schools will setup a conference with all parties that are involved. That's where you get to tell the teacher, the little fkers, and little fkers parents that you're not going to stand for it. If the situation continues or escalates, then it's up to you as a parent to escalate as appropriate. Sometimes that means another conference, sometimes it means talking to the police, sometimes it means confronting the student. For me, it would mean whatever it took to keep my child from being in a youtube video.

[NickD 203]

Sounds like Obama better pull our troops out of Afghanistan and send them to Belleville.

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[zqt3344 21]

Speaking from experience here, if any of you were to go visit this school district or this part of east St Louis you would understand why it is a mess there and yes it is all run by African Americans, guess it shows that no matter what race you are kids are kids and going to cause problems if left unchecked by parents and school officials.

Tape shows beating on bus of Belleville West student

By Leah Thorsen and Nicholas J.C. Pistor

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

09/15/2009

For vid

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stor...5B?OpenDocument

UPDATED, 11:35 a.m. with police captain backtracking on whether attack was racially motivated.

BELLEVILLE -- A Belleville police spokesman now says an incident where a white student was beaten by teen black assailants on a bus “may not be racially motivated.”

“It was premature on my part,” said Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax. “It was my personal and emotional comment after only seeing the video briefly.”

Sax said police interviewed the 17-year-old Belleville West High student. However, he said he was unaware of what the student told police.

Some of the students on the bus yesterday during the incident cheered the beating, the video shows.

Sax said a formal statement would be made available later today.

“After having reviewed the video, it doesn't strike me nearly as racially motivated,” Sax said.

The about-face came this morning as the story made national headlines. Although, Sax said it was purely his review of the video that changed his mind.

Belleville has had a long history of racial turmoil, with a past that includes police harassment of black motorists, cross burnings and discrimination in city hiring.

The divide began a century ago, in 1903, when a black man was lynched by a mob of 5,000 people in the town square, set on fire and dismembered.

EARLIER STORY

BELLEVILLE — A Belleville West High School student was beaten aboard a bus on the way to school Monday, and a police spokesman said the beating could be racially motivated.

The 17-year-old victim was white and the teen assailants were black. Police released a video of the beating, which shows the victim being punched repeatedly while other students on the bus gather to watch, some cheering. It doesn't appear that the victim did anything to provoke an attack and tried only to defend himself. Police said it all unfolded in a five-minute span.

The victim was trying to find a seat and was told by two students he could not sit next to them, police said.

As he walked to the seat, someone shouted, "Beat his ####."

When he did sit down, one teen tried to push him out of his seat then began grabbing the victim’s neck and punching him in the face.

With each punch, some in the crowd chanted, "Boom, boom, boom."

The victim eventually returned to his seat, but another student began taunting him a few minutes later. The victim was then struck in the face.

It was unclear what, if anything, the bus driver did to stop the attack. At one point, before the second attack, a man shouts, "Sit down guys."

Students intervened to help the victim both times.

"In my estimation, it's racially motivated," said Capt. Don Sax of the Belleville Police Department. He said one reason he had formed this opinion was that many of the students, most of whom were black, yelled their support for the beating.

"There was absolutely no justification for the beating either time," Sax said.

Two teens were taken into custody; authorities will apply for charges today. Both students have been suspended, said Superintendent Greg Moats.

He also said there had been no racial problems at the school and said that he wanted to talk further with police to determine why they believe race could have been a motivator in the fight. He also said the school will do everything possible to make sure students are safe, but he wouldn't elaborate.

[Heracles 417]

The beating was pretty bad, and not excusable on any account. I'm actually more upset with everyone else on the bus who just sat by, watched, cheered, and took pictures. I mean, the kid that was the aggressor obviously has problems, and I'm sure many on the bus knew that, but none of them coming to the aid of the kid...that makes me sick. For me, the lack of any compassion from the many is more extreme than the violence by the few. I guess some could say, "at least they didn't join in", but as was once said, "If you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem". I don't care if the perp was only 15, he deserves to go to prison. He's dangerous and offers absolutely nothing to society. Likewise, the others on the bus are not entirely innocent. They all (black and white) fostered an environment that allowed the perp to think the beating was acceptable in some way.

As for this idea that it's a cultural thing...####### planet are you from? What culture is more accepting of rape and violence? Please provide some research or data points or stf up. You want to talk about violent youth...what about Columbine. Was that in a predominately Black area? Was it perpetrated by the Black students? Have we ever seen anything of that scale? How many police videos have you seen with a group of Black police beating a White suspect? Turn on the show Cops, and it's easy to see a scene where some Black criminal commits a petty crime (steals a t-shirt) and ends up being tackled to the ground with a police officer's knee on his throat. Turn on the news and it's easy to see a scene where some wealthy White criminal commits a large scale crime (essentially steals the savings of thousands of people) and ends up at home with his attorneys negotiating a convenient time for him to come to the station and discuss the possibility of charges. Yeah, Black people just get away with anything in this country. It's almost as if they're invisible.

Well considering Black men in America rape women 2.2 times that of a white man, there is a start. Then lets not factor in stats from various nations in South Africa, where one in four men admit to rape. This is not a blame game or a witch hint, this is about identifying a problem and dealing with it. I would had been just as outraged of those two 16 year olds had been white clowns. What pisses me off is the double standards. Particularly amongst people who stereotypically show their face in the African America community, condemning such actions at warp speed; yes people like Jesse Jackson. Incidents like these are not random and should be treated accordingly. Had this been two Asian kids or Indian kids, I would have said that is strange.

Your also confusing class warfare for race. Money is the reason a murderer like O.J was able to walk a free man. It's the reason many rich people are able to get out of a sentence while everyone else is sentenced accordingly.

What I would like to know is your opinion on those in the poorer African community who claim that someone trying to get an education or legitimately get ahead is just being white. Or why is it so many African American dominated communities are run down? Why people from within those communities don't work as a team and clean up and improve their communities?

Edited September 17, 2009 by Booyah!

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The beating was pretty bad, and not excusable on any account. I'm actually more upset with everyone else on the bus who just sat by, watched, cheered, and took pictures. I mean, the kid that was the aggressor obviously has problems, and I'm sure many on the bus knew that, but none of them coming to the aid of the kid...that makes me sick. For me, the lack of any compassion from the many is more extreme than the violence by the few. I guess some could say, "at least they didn't join in", but as was once said, "If you're not a part of the solution, you're part of the problem". I don't care if the perp was only 15, he deserves to go to prison. He's dangerous and offers absolutely nothing to society. Likewise, the others on the bus are not entirely innocent. They all (black and white) fostered an environment that allowed the perp to think the beating was acceptable in some way.

As for this idea that it's a cultural thing...####### planet are you from? What culture is more accepting of rape and violence? Please provide some research or data points or stf up. You want to talk about violent youth...what about Columbine. Was that in a predominately Black area? Was it perpetrated by the Black students? Have we ever seen anything of that scale? How many police videos have you seen with a group of Black police beating a White suspect? Turn on the show Cops, and it's easy to see a scene where some Black criminal commits a petty crime (steals a t-shirt) and ends up being tackled to the ground with a police officer's knee on his throat. Turn on the news and it's easy to see a scene where some wealthy White criminal commits a large scale crime (essentially steals the savings of thousands of people) and ends up at home with his attorneys negotiating a convenient time for him to come to the station and discuss the possibility of charges. Yeah, Black people just get away with anything in this country. It's almost as if they're invisible.

Well considering Black men in America rape women 2.2 times that of a white man, there is a start. Then lets not factor in stats from various nations in South Africa, where one in four men admit to rape. This is not a blame game or a witch hint, this is about identifying a problem and dealing with it. I would had been just as outraged of those two 16 year olds had been white clowns. What pisses me off is the double standards. Particularly amongst people who stereotypically show their face in the African America community, condemning such actions at warp speed; yes people like Jesse Jackson. Incidents like these are not random and should be treated accordingly. Had this been two Asian kids or Indian kids, I would have said that is strange.

Your also confusing class warfare for race. Money is the reason a murderer like O.J was able to walk a free man. It's the reason many rich people are able to get out of a sentence while everyone else is sentenced accordingly.

What I would like to know is your opinion on those in the poorer African community who claim that someone trying to get an education or legitimately get ahead is just being white. Or why is it so many African American dominated communities are run down? Why people from within those communities don't work as a team and clean up and improve their communities?

BY, you idea of identifying the problem in this context looks a heck of a lot like trying to villify minorities. I don't see exactly what the point of that is - except to further alienate people from one another.

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