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No, BY. The scholarly work explains the likely root causes of delinquency. Check it out, seriously.

I do find it a bit odd that just a bit back you wanted to look at similarities between ethnicities and crime across international boundaries and yet now you don't want to play fair at seeing how the common denominator, poverty, is a cause of this delinquent behavior, with actual statistical proof behind it for Australia. Please... check it out.

Wow it has been 2 years almost huh? It seems you are holding a grudge on made-up points of view... :unsure:

Alright I will read over it.

The one thing that has not changed over the years is the insinuation that external circumstances (particularly historical) and environmental based causation, explain actions such as rape, homicide or even the beating of a kid going to school.

However, what is new is that apparently the actions of middle class AA kids, kids born in families with similar wealth to one another, must be as a result of some sort of external circumstantial and environmental based causation; rather than be personally responsible for their behavior.

Hey I at least admit that white kids are shooting up schools because of their idiotic parents who let them do a they please. Who let them lock their doors and state this is my room and I can do whatever I want. This is an attitude; this is a culture. My parents would have torn the door down if I dared lock it and claim this is my room so stay out. If you want to think of my dad think of Bernie Mac. Then again I would not have had the nerve to say that to my folks.

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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No, BY. The scholarly work explains the likely root causes of delinquency. Check it out, seriously.

I do find it a bit odd that just a bit back you wanted to look at similarities between ethnicities and crime across international boundaries and yet now you don't want to play fair at seeing how the common denominator, poverty, is a cause of this delinquent behavior, with actual statistical proof behind it for Australia. Please... check it out.

Wow it has been 2 years almost huh? It seems you are holding a grudge on made-up points of view... :unsure:

Alright I will read over it.

The one thing that has not changed over the years is the insinuation that external circumstances (particularly historical) and environmental based causation, explain actions such as rape, homicide or even the beating of a kid going to school.

However, what is new is that apparently the actions of middle class AA kids, kids born in families with similar wealth to one another, must be as a result of some sort of external circumstantial and environmental based causation; rather than be personally responsible for their behavior.

Hey I at least admit that white kids are shooting up schools because of their idiotic parents who let them do a they please. Who let them lock their doors and state this is my room and I can do whatever I want. This is an attitude; this is a culture. My parents would have torn the door down if I dared lock it and claim this is my room so stay out. If you want to think of my dad think of Bernie Mac.

One is the product of one's history. So too is this the case with a community. Calling history 'external' trivializes reality.

I would also like to see these middle class numbers for better off AA kids as some sort of disproportionate amount compared to White kids... and then consider what the root causes of those events could be. I suspect that given those controlling factors being the same, there really won't be a difference and we'd be discussing a moot point.

As for personal responsibility... both Pike and me, as well as pretty much everyone antagonistic to you here, agrees with you. Can you believe it?

Its just not happening in any discernible pattern in suburbia as its happening in the inner city given those same controlling conditions. I think anyone here can agree to that out of anecdotal evidence if they have lived in cities, suburbs, and small towns as I have.

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One is the product of one's history. So too is this the case with a community. Calling history 'external' trivializes reality.

I would also like to see these middle class numbers for better off AA kids as some sort of disproportionate amount compared to White kids... and then consider what the root causes of those events could be. I suspect that given those controlling factors being the same, there really won't be a difference and we'd be discussing a moot point.

As for personal responsibility... both Pike and me, as well as pretty much everyone antagonistic to you here, agrees with you. Can you believe it?

Its just not happening in any discernible pattern in suburbia as its happening in the inner city given those same controlling conditions. I think anyone here can agree to that out of anecdotal evidence if they have lived in cities, suburbs, and small towns as I have.

The interesting thing about the middle class in suburbia is that they are neither poor, nor living in a densely populated area, and nor are they limited or constrained by historic differences (including racism). So what does that leave? Once you rule those three out, you're left with a few common characteristics between middle-class and poor areas. First obvious one is single parent households. Second obvious one is the love of music and entertainers which glamorize thuggery, gang banging and violence. Even snoop dog, who I like, was a member of the Crips gang.

Edit: While looking for the document I reread your post again. I never said there wasn't any correlation between the two. The volume and frequency of crime compared to those in similar circumstances, both domestic and abroad, is what I am referring to. Something we don't seem to agree on. For example: if 1 in 1850 of the poor who came from certain ex colonies in the UK committed rape, it seems to some that it justifies the 1 in 1018 here. No it doesn't and no they are not similar. That is why I want to to see what the statistics really are in other countries.

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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One is the product of one's history. So too is this the case with a community. Calling history 'external' trivializes reality.

I would also like to see these middle class numbers for better off AA kids as some sort of disproportionate amount compared to White kids... and then consider what the root causes of those events could be. I suspect that given those controlling factors being the same, there really won't be a difference and we'd be discussing a moot point.

As for personal responsibility... both Pike and me, as well as pretty much everyone antagonistic to you here, agrees with you. Can you believe it?

Its just not happening in any discernible pattern in suburbia as its happening in the inner city given those same controlling conditions. I think anyone here can agree to that out of anecdotal evidence if they have lived in cities, suburbs, and small towns as I have.

The interesting thing about the middle class in suburbia is that they are neither poor, nor living in a densely populated area, and nor are they limited or constrained by historic differences (including racism). So what does that leave? Once you rule those three out, you're left with a few common characteristics between middle-class and poor areas. First obvious one is single parent households. Second obvious one is the love of music and entertainers which glamorize thuggery, gang banging and violence. Even snoop dog, who I like, was a member of the Crips gang.

Edit: While looking for the document I reread your post again. I never said there wasn't any correlation between the two. The volume and frequency of crime compared to those in similar circumstances, both domestic and abroad, is what I am referring to. Something we don't seem to agree on. For example: if 1 in 1850 of the poor who came from certain ex colonies in the UK committed rape, it seems to some that it justifies the 1 in 1018 here. No it doesn't and no they are not similar. That is why I am so adamant about finding out what the statistics really are in other countries.

Fair enough-

Just consider that it can be statistically impossible to collect sufficient sample data from middle class households that originate in different urban socioeconomic locations to get any significant correlation drawn along racial lines.

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Fair enough-

Just consider that it can be statistically impossible to collect sufficient sample data from middle class households that originate in different urban socioeconomic locations to get any significant correlation drawn along racial cultural lines.

According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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Fair enough-

Just consider that it can be statistically impossible to collect sufficient sample data from middle class households that originate in different urban socioeconomic locations to get any significant correlation drawn along racial cultural lines.

Indeed as well. Which begs the question... why mention race at all then?

If its the cultural attributes of attitude and style... then race would not matter. Hence you can collect data from anywhere if those are your only factors. But beware those confounders. They exist.

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I read article. While it was interesting I have to raise an eyebrow considerng the source. Australians, like Brits, are very much into rehabilitating rather than punishing. Understanding the perpetrator and the why, rather than actually laying down the law. It's why sentences are just so lenient. It's also why some refuse to accept the following:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...1%2C000_pop.svg

Some people are just bad apples; nothing else to it. Time we accept it and deal with it. The absolute joke of the above stat is that Australia has one of the most generous welfare systems in the world. Yet look at the trend.

Actually, the following are a good example of my point. Nothing to do with race but culture. Wow the UK is bad. Time to stamp out any culture that endorses violence or thuggery.

Assaults (most recent) by country

# 1 United States: 2,238,480

# 2 United Kingdom: 723,886

# 3 South Africa: 548,847

# 4 Mexico: 253,972

# 5 India: 236,313

# 6 Canada: 235,270

# 7 Argentina: 185,973

# 8 Australia: 141,124

Rapes (most recent) by country

# 1 United States: 95,136

# 2 South Africa: 52,425

# 3 Canada: 24,350

# 4 Australia: 15,630

# 5 India: 15,468

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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I read article. While it was interesting I have to raise an eyebrow considerng the source. Australians, like Brits, are very much into rehabilitating rather than punishing. Understanding the perpetrator and the why, rather than actually laying down the law. It's why sentences are just so lenient. It's also why some refuse to accept the following:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...1%2C000_pop.svg

Some people are just bad apples; nothing else to it. Time we accept it and deal with it. The absolute joke of the above stat is that Australia has one of the most generous welfare systems in the world. Yet look at the trend.

Actually, the following are a good example of my point. Nothing to do with race but culture. Wow the UK is bad. Time to stamp out any culture that endorses violence or thuggery.

Assaults (most recent) by country

# 1 United States: 2,238,480

# 2 United Kingdom: 723,886

# 3 South Africa: 548,847

# 4 Mexico: 253,972

# 5 India: 236,313

# 6 Canada: 235,270

# 7 Argentina: 185,973

# 8 Australia: 141,124

Rapes (most recent) by country

# 1 United States: 95,136

# 2 South Africa: 52,425

# 3 Canada: 24,350

# 4 Australia: 15,630

# 5 India: 15,468

might be more meaningful if broken down by population percentages. i'm fairly certain that india has more people than australia, for example, so the incidence of rape per 100,000 is lower.

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When I look at those stats, I think both hal and I are right; each in our own way. Australia and the UK's issues is that they are trying to ask the why. It's always something else to blame for person xyz's violent crime act. An attitude that has done nothing to solve the crime rates. Violence and thuggery needs to be punished period. This is where pike and I disagree because I strongly believe in bringing back corporal punishment for the worst offenders. US has extreme sentencing, UK has lenient, clearly neither work in preventing crime. This leaves corporal :devil:

If these two 16 year olds receive Singapore style lashes, I guarantee you they would never pull such a stunt off every again.

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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I read article. While it was interesting I have to raise an eyebrow considerng the source. Australians, like Brits, are very much into rehabilitating rather than punishing. Understanding the perpetrator and the why, rather than actually laying down the law. It's why sentences are just so lenient. It's also why some refuse to accept the following:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...1%2C000_pop.svg

Some people are just bad apples; nothing else to it. Time we accept it and deal with it. The absolute joke of the above stat is that Australia has one of the most generous welfare systems in the world. Yet look at the trend.

Actually, the following are a good example of my point. Nothing to do with race but culture. Wow the UK is bad. Time to stamp out any culture that endorses violence or thuggery.

Assaults (most recent) by country

# 1 United States: 2,238,480

# 2 United Kingdom: 723,886

# 3 South Africa: 548,847

# 4 Mexico: 253,972

# 5 India: 236,313

# 6 Canada: 235,270

# 7 Argentina: 185,973

# 8 Australia: 141,124

Rapes (most recent) by country

# 1 United States: 95,136

# 2 South Africa: 52,425

# 3 Canada: 24,350

# 4 Australia: 15,630

# 5 India: 15,468

might be more meaningful if broken down by population percentages. i'm fairly certain that india has more people than australia, for example, so the incidence of rape per 100,000 is lower.

Assaults (per capita) (most recent) by country

# 1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people

# 2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people

# 3 Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people

# 4 Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people

# 5 Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people

# 6 United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people

# 7 New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people

# 8 United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people

# 9 Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people

# 10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people

Rapes (per capita) (most recent) by country

# 1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people

# 2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people

# 3 Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people

# 4 Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people

# 5 Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people

# 6 United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people

# 7 New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people

# 8 United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people

# 9 Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people

# 10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/cat/cri-crime

One guess why NZ is ranked so highly.

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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Bus driver should be held liable.. culpable neglegence!

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One guess why NZ is ranked so highly.

a lack of sheep? :unsure:

Indigenous population.

According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

 

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