Beating on school bus upsets parents

[Heracles 417]

We already went over the excuse is not a reason bit a few pages back.

I thought we agreed that statistics reported circumstance- not the other way around...

The above article is not about statistics. It's identifying a troubling trend amongst African American teenagers; which goes against the claims you guys made. Or is racism just getting worse again? if it has little to do with racism, it leaves population density and economics. Which goes straight out the window considering the stats when compared to highly populated cities in other parts of the developed world. Even if you factor in 115 million people by combining the entire population of Canada, Australia, and the UK, the homicide rate is nowhere near the rate of African American teenagers alone. This is a freagin problem.

Hal , time to stop beating around the Bush and accept there is a huge problem amongst AA youth. A problem that has nothing to do with history or circumstances but more to do with the kids behavior and attitude. For whatever reason, these kids find violence and homicide (in the articles case) acceptable.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

[MONIQ 0]

This guys will just never give up. He can not SAY what he REALLY wants to say. AGAIN HIS true colors are coming out thru his words. Its people like him that WE ALL need to be careful of period!!

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OH by the way, you can tell Booya is a racist, its clear and evident. Its people like this guy that make it hard for EVERYONE to get along. He is fee to talk this S*#!t via the internet and then post. This site is called visa journey not "Throw stones and hide HIS hands.

[HAL 9000 96]

We already went over the excuse is not a reason bit a few pages back.

I thought we agreed that statistics reported circumstance- not the other way around...

The above article is not about statistics. It's identifying a troubling trend amongst African American teenagers; which goes against the claims you guys made. Or is racism just getting worse again? if it has little to do with racism, it leaves population density and economics. Which goes straight out the window considering the stats when compared to highly populated cities in other parts of the developed world. Even if you factor in 115 million people by combining the entire population of Canada, Australia, and the UK, the homicide rate is nowhere near the rate of African American teenagers alone. This is a freagin problem.

Hal , time to stop beating around the Bush and accept there is a huge problem amongst AA youth. A problem that has nothing to do with history or circumstances but more to do with the kids behavior and attitude. For whatever reason, these kids find violence and homicide (in the articles case) acceptable.

It really can get odd rationalizing certain things with you... what claims did I make that counteract this troubling trend? That would be news to me... as a matter of fact I believe I have agreed with you on about 6 or 7 different occasions that there is indeed, a major problem with crime in African American communities (urban). Pike has even agreed to this. Its common sense.

And furthermore... if it isn't about statistics... then please... find a source that discusses instead of using stats to 'prove' points instead of reporting them (as the stats do by definition).

Finally... if what you write here

A problem that has nothing to do with history or circumstances but more to do with the kids behavior and attitude. For whatever reason, these kids find violence and homicide (in the articles case) acceptable.

is true, then that would mean that behavior and attitude are themselves innate characteristics of the population. You have refused to state this as such. Why?

Did you read the article I linked from the Australian Institute of Criminology? Its only 6 pages long and its scholarly, based on actual sociology, AND it uses statistics correctly- to report, not causate.

Check it out. Page 4 (Figure 3) has a neat path diagram. The article even analyzes rural populations...

[Heracles 417]

This guys will just never give up. He can not SAY what he REALLY wants to say. AGAIN HIS true colors are coming out thru his words. Its people like him that WE ALL need to be careful of period!!

Are you in the 8th grade or something? If you're going to accuse me of being a racist at least illustrate how and where.

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Booyah......I have a question for you. Are you a fan of Rush Limbah? Its pretty clear, but i just want to hear from you.

[Heracles 417]

Booyah......I have a question for you. Are you a fan of Rush Limbah? Its pretty clear, but i just want to hear from you.

No I listen to Jesse Jackson.

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Illistrate?????? Go back and read every post you put on here. It not an accusation, i never called you a racist, I simply just said "YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR true colors and we need to watch out for people like you. Thats all. No hard feelings at all.

Bottom line..............................he is OUR COMMANDER AND CHIEF.....finally just get over it and stop over it.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

oh this is fun

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I just have to tell you......you really scare me 4 realllllllllllllllllllllllll. As God is my witness.

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

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move over and share

[Chica Yeyé 41]

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move over and share

I want Dr. Pepper... with no sugar

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

oh this is fun

move over and share

I want Dr. Pepper... with no sugar

lemme see if minya says you've been a good girl first.

[Heracles 417]

It really can get odd rationalizing certain things with you... what claims did I make that counteract this troubling trend? That would be news to me... as a matter of fact I believe I have agreed with you on about 6 or 7 different occasions that there is indeed, a major problem with crime in African American communities (urban). Pike has even agreed to this. Its common sense.

And furthermore... if it isn't about statistics... then please... find a source that discusses instead of using stats to 'prove' points instead of reporting them (as the stats do by definition).

There is nothing odd about it. Much like illegal immigration discussions, you two tend to shot off opinion and downplay or discredit statistics. Furthermore, fail to ever present any of your own to support your argument; an opinion which just so happens to be discrediting that of someone else. Hey, that is what a discussion is all about. However, at some point you guys need to start using journals or some sort of evidence to illustrate your point. I am not saying I am right, I could be wrong. So prove it wrong.

You realize this approach is no different to those who no-matter what, refuse to believe that others have a better yet more equitable health care system. Discussions and articles are mere opinions, which can be skewed and biased. Statistics are not. They simply count a set criteria; like rape.

The one thing you two fail to address, time and time again, is why such a disparity between middle class African Americans and their disproportionate rate of crime to that of other similar demographics; both in American and around the developed world. The closet explanation to that is pikes well the poor commit just as many crimes to in the UK. That's great but I need to see numbers. However, it still does not explain the disparity between middle-class African American communities, when compared to others. Now if you showed me that crime stats and they almost equaled other middle class demographics, I would 110% agree that the crime is truly due to the circumstances you listed earlier.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

oh this is fun

move over and share

I want Dr. Pepper... with no sugar

lemme see if minya says you've been a good girl first.

stfu and give me some Dr. P... or I will put you in a bus with these 12 year old thugs.