Beating on school bus upsets parents

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BY it really isn't hard. Try a simple, to the point, definition of culture as it pertains to what we are talking about.

Here is a start:

The Obama administration has moved to grant political asylum to foreign women who suffer severe physical or sexual abuse from which they are unable to escape because it is part of the culture of their own countries.

Psychology journal: As humans we essentially little alike. What we are alike in (in a broad sense) is that we all have feelings, likes, dislikes, values, attitudes, goals, beliefs etc. But individual and cultural differences are great. As an individual we have different personality, abilities, intelligence, ambition, motivations, priorities, values expectations etc. Attributes that are further defined by our environment, our community and even heredity (innate). So the assumption that we are all equal, that is, we all think the same is incorrect and false.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

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In Red again.

I'd not rush to conclude that the poor of India have had similar experiences as the poor in America. These are in fact, incongruous comparisons. You should know this as a world traveler.

Furthermore, a simple, concise definition of culture is long overdue from you.

Both of you are yet to show me statistics demonstrating that the poor of other ethnicities partake in crime as do African Americans. Furthermore, that this theory of yours is also applicable in the international context. Surely there must be some shed of evidence to back this assumption. On top of that, Danno's observation regarding the middle class is yet to be clarified either.

You should know this as a world traveler. Again, its a matter of particular context. Its not about other ethnicities (there you go again separating people)- its about socioeconomics. This is called sociology. The statistics REPORT on the problem, not define it.

At the end of the day Hal, most Americans have their own problems and challenges to worry about. They're don't have the time to coddle and baby the poor urban AA community.

Integration and putting people first (as you so describe it) is not coddling and babying. Its Americans doing right by Americans.

Furthermore, you know republicans and this means they're not going to get any more help than they already do period. Like everyone else, be it black, white, Asian, Hispanic or even Aussie, they're on their own. This is the US and not Australia so if they're expecting some sort of handout it's not going to come.

Handouts are not being requested. Opportunity like everyone else is what is being demanded. Big difference. Slow down next time you're in the hood.

I understand their struggles but sitting there and playing the victim does nothing to improve the situation. That is the reality. They either band together and improve themselves, or drown in misery. As I said, help ain't coming.

Agreed. And they are coming out of their overshoot. It is best to leave out crass generalization and talk directly to the issue.

They do have one more option....

I see the debate still rages on.

The simple truth is Liberals have built the model Blacks now live under in the modern era.

And like all broken models that have liberal finger prints all over them, there are two principle reactions when you shine the light on their handi-work.

1. we Really care for "these people" and you don't.

2. We can fix it... we just need more money.

.... oh yeah and

3. You are the bad one for noticing whats going on.

Evidence of failure could not.... COULD NOT be more evident yet they still have the answers.

In comes the broken record.

Please read the posts in the topic next time.

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BY it really isn't hard. Try a simple, to the point, definition of culture as it pertains to what we are talking about.

Here is a start:

The Obama administration has moved to grant political asylum to foreign women who suffer severe physical or sexual abuse from which they are unable to escape because it is part of the culture of their own countries.

Psychology journal: As humans we essentially little alike. What we are alike in (in a broad sense) is that we all have feelings, likes, dislikes, values, attitudes, goals, beliefs etc. But individual and cultural differences are great. As an individual we have different personality, abilities, intelligence, ambition, motivations, priorities, values expectations etc. Attributes that are further defined by our environment, our community and even heredity (innate). So the assumption that we are all equal, that is, we all think the same is incorrect and false.

Excellent. And which of all these attributes would you describe to be at hard work in creating such a ruckus in the AA community?

Furthermore- would you consider these inequalities to be a result of circumstance or root causes of the circumstances?

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In Red again.

Both of you are yet to show me statistics demonstrating that the poor of other ethnicities partake in crime as do African Americans. Furthermore, that this theory of yours is also applicable in the international context. Surely there must be some shed of evidence to back this assumption. On top of that, Danno's observation regarding the middle class is yet to be clarified either.

You should know this as a world traveler. Again, its a matter of particular context. Its not about other ethnicities (there you go again separating people)- its about socioeconomics. This is called sociology. The statistics REPORT on the problem, not define it.

You two made the assumption that regardless of race, crime and poverty is correlated and relative; therefore, you should able to illustrate it.

At the end of the day Hal, most Americans have their own problems and challenges to worry about. They're don't have the time to coddle and baby the poor urban AA community.

Integration and putting people first (as you so describe it) is not coddling and babying. Its Americans doing right by Americans.

I think you missed the point. Most people are over this poor poor AA attitude. Most people have their own problems and struggles to worry about. As such, they will not even discuss or debate the tribulations of the AA community. I think trying to avoide foreclosure is a bit more important than worrying about why someone is still in the ghetto.

Furthermore, you know republicans and this means they're not going to get any more help than they already do period. Like everyone else, be it black, white, Asian, Hispanic or even Aussie, they're on their own. This is the US and not Australia so if they're expecting some sort of handout it's not going to come.

Handouts are not being requested. Opportunity like everyone else is what is being demanded. Big difference. Slow down next time you're in the hood.

Hal come on. No one in America is going to refuse someone a job because they are black. Maybe it's like that up in the North and mid-west since the majority of African Americans seem to be congregated in cities. Certainly not down here in the South; where contrary to popular belief, people are intermingling quite well. Personally, I have never seen or heard anyone refusing to provide an opportunity to someone because they are black. Now my employer certainly is not going to hire a thug, but that is a given no matter what race they are.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

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I see the debate still rages on.

The simple truth is Liberals have built the model Blacks now live under in the modern era.

And like all broken models that have liberal finger prints all over them, there are two principle reactions when you shine the light on their handi-work.

1. we Really care for "these people" and you don't.

2. We can fix it... we just need more money.

.... oh yeah and

3. You are the bad one for noticing whats going on.

Evidence of failure could not.... COULD NOT be more evident yet they still have the answers.

Except Danno, noone here besides BY with his black bag and big stick is claiming to have all the answers.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You two made the assumption that regardless of race, crime and poverty is correlated and relative; therefore, you should able to illustrate it.

If you are as well travelled as you claim to be, this should be self-evident.

I can point you in the direction of some of the most crime-ridden parts of the UK if you like and you can see for yourself who is committing the offences. Naturally, poverty is a unifying factor.

[Heracles 417]

BY it really isn't hard. Try a simple, to the point, definition of culture as it pertains to what we are talking about.

Here is a start:

The Obama administration has moved to grant political asylum to foreign women who suffer severe physical or sexual abuse from which they are unable to escape because it is part of the culture of their own countries.

Psychology journal: As humans we essentially little alike. What we are alike in (in a broad sense) is that we all have feelings, likes, dislikes, values, attitudes, goals, beliefs etc. But individual and cultural differences are great. As an individual we have different personality, abilities, intelligence, ambition, motivations, priorities, values expectations etc. Attributes that are further defined by our environment, our community and even heredity (innate). So the assumption that we are all equal, that is, we all think the same is incorrect and false.

Excellent. And which of all these attributes would you describe to be at hard work in creating such a ruckus in the AA community?

Furthermore- would you consider these inequalities to be a result of circumstance or root causes of the circumstances?

I don't know as I have not studied the inner-workings of the poor urban AA community.

They're a result of a number of things; circumstances being one of them.

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Black bold this time.

In Red again.

Both of you are yet to show me statistics demonstrating that the poor of other ethnicities partake in crime as do African Americans. Furthermore, that this theory of yours is also applicable in the international context. Surely there must be some shed of evidence to back this assumption. On top of that, Danno's observation regarding the middle class is yet to be clarified either.

You should know this as a world traveler. Again, its a matter of particular context. Its not about other ethnicities (there you go again separating people)- its about socioeconomics. This is called sociology. The statistics REPORT on the problem, not define it.

You two made the assumption that regardless of race, crime and poverty is correlated and relative; therefore, you should able to illustrate it.

Not really an assumption. More like an affirmation (based in common sense). As a fellow world traveler, you should realize there IS a correlation between poverty and crime. Google can help with that. Actually... here is a link from Australia that restates the obvious.

Maybe you can reaed it and get back to us?

At the end of the day Hal, most Americans have their own problems and challenges to worry about. They're don't have the time to coddle and baby the poor urban AA community.

Integration and putting people first (as you so describe it) is not coddling and babying. Its Americans doing right by Americans.

I think you missed the point. Most people are over this poor poor AA attitude. Most people have their own problems and struggles to worry about. As such, they will not even discuss or debate the tribulations of the AA community. I think trying to avoide foreclosure is a bit more important than worrying about why someone is still in the ghetto.

As are many more African Americans than you care to consider, perhaps? African Americans are also part of that general community, and know very much the reality of the current economical climate in this nation.

Furthermore, you know republicans and this means they're not going to get any more help than they already do period. Like everyone else, be it black, white, Asian, Hispanic or even Aussie, they're on their own. This is the US and not Australia so if they're expecting some sort of handout it's not going to come.

Handouts are not being requested. Opportunity like everyone else is what is being demanded. Big difference. Slow down next time you're in the hood.

Hal come on. No one in America is going to refuse someone a job because they are black.

Some still do. Speaking in that overgeneralized tone won't help your argument. Racial discrimination is difficult to pin-point many times.

Maybe it's like that up in the North and mid-west since the majority of African Americans seem to be congregated in cities. Certainly not down here in the South; where contrary to popular belief, people are intermingling quite well.

Exactly. Most people are intermingling quite well. Some still adhere to racist idiocy.

There is a difference. All I've been saying.

Personally, I have never seen or heard anyone refusing to provide an opportunity to someone because they are black. Now my employer certainly is not going to hire a thug, but that is a given no matter what race they are.

You two made the assumption that regardless of race, crime and poverty is correlated and relative; therefore, you should able to illustrate it.

If you are as well travelled as you claim to be, this should be self-evident.

I can point you in the direction of some of the most crime-ridden parts of the UK if you like and you can see for yourself who is committing the offences. Naturally, poverty is a unifying factor.

Common denominator I'd say.

I don't know as I have not studied the inner-workings of the poor urban AA community.

They're a result of a number of things; circumstances being one of them.

Indeed.

What would you say are the root causes then?

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You two made the assumption that regardless of race, crime and poverty is correlated and relative; therefore, you should able to illustrate it.

If you are as well travelled as you claim to be, this should be self-evident.

I can point you in the direction of some of the most crime-ridden parts of the UK if you like and you can see for yourself who is committing the offences. Naturally, poverty is a unifying factor.

So the statistics should be easy to illustrate then? Lets take rape for example, which as we know has little to do with poverty (refer to quoted cleo comment), the statistics should be similar amongst various poor communities in other developed countries. Furthermore, I am sure the statistics should be the same in communities and counties in America; where the majority of people are similarly poor.

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Indeed.

What would you say are the root causes then?

The part in red should give you a hint

The Obama administration has moved to grant political asylum to foreign women who suffer severe physical or sexual abuse from which they are unable to escape because it is part of the culture of their own countries.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

[HAL 9000 96]

You two made the assumption that regardless of race, crime and poverty is correlated and relative; therefore, you should able to illustrate it.

If you are as well travelled as you claim to be, this should be self-evident.

I can point you in the direction of some of the most crime-ridden parts of the UK if you like and you can see for yourself who is committing the offences. Naturally, poverty is a unifying factor.

So the statistics should be easy to illustrate then? Lets take rape for example, which as we know has little to do with poverty (refer to quoted cleo comment), the statistics should be similar amongst various poor communities in other developed countries. Furthermore, I am sure the statistics should be the same in communities and counties in America; where the majority of people are similarly poor.

If you consider an equivalent population density and similar historic development, then yes. Should be similar.

Indeed.

What would you say are the root causes then?

The part in red should give you a hint

The Obama administration has moved to grant political asylum to foreign women who suffer severe physical or sexual abuse from which they are unable to escape because it is part of the culture of their own countries.

As yet undefined in the context you wish to discuss and as it is repeated once again, a misinterpreted comment.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You two made the assumption that regardless of race, crime and poverty is correlated and relative; therefore, you should able to illustrate it.

If you are as well travelled as you claim to be, this should be self-evident.

I can point you in the direction of some of the most crime-ridden parts of the UK if you like and you can see for yourself who is committing the offences. Naturally, poverty is a unifying factor.

So the statistics should be easy to illustrate then? Lets take rape for example, which as we know has little to do with poverty (refer to quoted cleo comment), the statistics should be similar amongst various poor communities in other developed countries. Furthermore, I am sure the statistics should be the same in communities and counties in America; where the majority of people are similarly poor.

If you consider an equivalent population density and similar historic development, then yes. Should be similar.

Similar economics, not similar demographics. There is a lot of crime in cities like Liverpool, Sheffield and Manchester - former industrial cities that used to be the hub of the countries manufacturing industry (which was gutted under Thatcher). Notoriously high unemployment throughout the 80's and 90's.

These days you also get a lot of crime in the London area suburbs around Essex (where I'm from) due to a slow migration of people out of inner london boroughs.

Naturally housing projects in the UK share a lot in common with housing projects in the US, though perhaps not the same level of violence.

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Immigration is also factor in the UK - as EU citizens can travel, live and work freely in any EU nation; as a result there has been a huge influx of people into the UK from the Baltic States that were recently admitted into the Union. Good idea in theory, but essentially gives organized crime a free ticket to operate in any country they like.

[Heracles 417]

I see I see. Population density can be a factor, that can result in senseless beating of kid on a bus or even rape. Now should I bother retrieving stats showing the countries and cities with the highest population densities and comparing their crime rates. Then again, I don't want to the add to the 5 or 6 pieces of evidence I have actually cited and quoted already. Including the following article, which you ignored.

Yes the article which seems to suggest the opposite to the resident stance; considering African American kids now have 100 fold the services and opportunities their siblings or parents had 30 years ago. Or are you guys now going to propose that AA kids in 2009 are more victimized than they were 30 years ago? Don't even bother responding to that as I will not buy any excuse, not even for a micro second.

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Homicide rate for black D.C. teens surged since ’01, mirrors U.S. trend

By: Scott McCabe

Examiner Staff Writer

December 30, 2008

Homicides among young blacks in the District have risen dramatically since 2001, a reversal from the 1990s that mirrors a national trend reported in a study released Monday.

That study, by Boston’s Northeastern University, found that the number of slain black teenagers rose 39 percent across the United States, twice the rate of white youth.

The numbers show a “divergent tale of two communities — one prosperous and safe, the other poor and crime-ridden,” said James Alan Fox, the study’s co-author. Although FBI crime statistics show that homicides have stabilized across the country, the picture for black juveniles is radically different from the rest of the population, Fox said.

That was also true in the District, where no white juveniles have been slain in seven years, even as the rate among blacks rose roughly 45 percent between 2001 and 2006-2007.

Fox’s study compared 2000 and 2001 with 2006 and 2007, the last two years for which the statistics were available. The study compared two-year periods to limit statistical skewing.

The study did not include D.C. because the Metropolitan Police Department wasn’t able to supply the FBI with its 2007 crime numbers this summer.

But, according to figures provide by the D.C. police department to The Examiner on Monday, there were 10 juvenile homicides of African-Americans in 2001. Numbers for 2000 were not available, according to a department statistician. In 2006 and 2007, a total of 29 black children were slain in D.C., an average of 14.5 for the two years.

And in 2008, the number of black youth homicides has continued to climb. Nineteen children have been killed as of Dec. 16, all but two African-American.

Maryland saw the rate of young African-American homicides rise more slowly — up 20 percent since 2001. In Virginia, the number of young black homicides went up 25 percent.

In D.C., youth violence will likely increase as the economy continues its free fall and more law enforcement services are cut, said Karen Bune, a law enforcement expert at George Mason University.

Youth violence among African-Americans is the worst Bune’s seen in 30 years, and she blames in part a lack of family structure, an increase in both parents having to work.

“There are a lot of good youth out there, but they aren’t getting the help they need,” Bune said. “The gang is an outlet. It’s their way to have unity with a group.”

Fox could not attribute the increase to a single cause. The study said one factor was Bush administration cuts to youth crime prevention programs and to funding that allowed local police departments to hire more officers. The report also found fault with Congress passing laws that limited law enforcement’s ability to interrupt the illegal gun market.

Fox was hopeful that the president-elect would provide more funding for crime prevention. “You have to pay for programs now or pray for victims later,” he said. “Crime marches on, it doesn’t wait for the economy to improve.”

Find this article at:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/12...s_US_trend.html

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

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We already went over the excuse is not a reason bit a few pages back.

I thought we agreed that statistics reported circumstance- not the other way around...