Ten year Green Card trouble: Our evidence is "insufficient."

[Matt_Stevens 5]

OK, this is just nuts. Up to this point everything had been so easy, so I guess it was only a matter of time before we were hit with the whip.

We filed the I751 earlier this year with all the evidence we could give them. But we just received a form stating our evidence was insufficient and that we have to send more to be processed.

What more could we send? We have sent them every possible piece of evidence asked for that we had.

They list a number of items they want, most of which we have already sent them.

Joint tax returns, Leases for our apartments in both our names, joint health insurance, joint renters insurance, joint bank accounts, joint utilities, bla bla blah.

But things they list they want we do not have.

We do not own a home.

We do not jointly own a car because Anh doesn't drive. She has no license. So how can I list her on my car insurance?

We have no kids so how can we provide birth certificates for kids that do not exist?

We do not have any loans together.

They ask for copies of our lease(s) but we provided them already!

They want affidavits written by thirds parties, but we already gave them three! All three were very clearly written and properly done.

Since late winter this year things for us have been very bad. I lost my job and we had to move from our lovely apartment to a craphole in the wall we sublet, so we have no actual lease or utilities in our own name. No renters insurance either. This all happened just prior to filing, so at the time was not an issue.

But what to do now? Honestly, there is nothing else whatsoever we can provide to them. We have already provided every piece of evidence we have. #######?!

We had zero trouble with the interview process in Saigon and you all know how crazy they are. My wife spent a lot of time in Europe and Japan, so she was well traveled and an educated girl. Since coming here she has done very well and has a pretty darned good job in NYC, which she loves. But since late winter we have been subletting and have nothing in our name. No lease, no utilities at all. Yes, we have our bank account and a savings account and our health insurance.

What should we do? Our marriage is not bull----. I can't begin to describe how angry I am at this moment.

[gogal2020 0]

Sorry it happened to you, I hate nothing more then bureaucrats and this is just one of their ways. If I were you I would resend them what they asked for specifically, include a cover letter and a copy of their RFE, also in the cover letter let them know what the situation is, that you both had to move due to the economy but still living happily together. Include some new pictures of you together in the new place and get a few more affidavits and include the copies of the old ones. You can't do more then that really, just give them what they want and hope that they don't lose it again, since that's probably what happened to the first set of documents you sent them since they are asking you for the same things again.

Good luck!

Mike.

[fozzie 41]

Send everything again, I assume you made an extra copy for just such an occaision. Add more photos, more affidavits. Beyond that there is not much you can do at this stage. Good luck.

[John9981 9]

Sounds like they lost your file. Send everything again, and keep records. Also, write a letter explaining why you don't have some of the things they are asking (kids, cars etc..)

[mozplay 29]

I agree with all of the replies, but you can also send a affidavit from the person you are subletting from confirming your statement. Also, if you have updated evidence, send that too. What I mean is, you send your joint banking info from the period of marriage up until filing ... so don't be afraid to send in another statement which you received between filing and now.

[zqt3344 21]

Not to upset you more, but sounds like USCIS has lost or misplaced your file or application and supporting documents that you already sent to them and so to cover their a$$ they send you a RFE and tell you that you did not send them enough evidence and basically they are asking for everything you already sent in the first time, I have noticed this has happened from time to time with USCIS. And 100% of the time when you just send back in copies of everything that you already sent in again, it gets soon approved. Hopefully you made copies of everything you mailed in the first time, just mail it back to them with the RFE and to the address they request and if you happen to notice anything else they request that you can send again or did not get a chance to submit last time then send it in also, I am sure you will get approved soon after that. Sorry for the bad news. As a last resort you might go to your US House of Rep local office near you or your US Senator office and ask their staff for help and that you want to file a congressional inquiry into this matter with USCIS and everytime the politician office helps from what I have seen, cause within 48 hours of filing that inquiry USCIS has to respond or reply to that politicians office as to why or what is going on or what is the hold up specifically. AND normally the USCIS workers or bosses get a congressional in their office and that case gets #1 priority and pushed to the front immediately to be worked and problem resolved. Most Congressman office will not do this until it has been past 3 months after you file before they inquiry on your behalf though. Good luck.

OK, this is just nuts. Up to this point everything had been so easy, so I guess it was only a matter of time before we were hit with the whip.

We filed the I751 earlier this year with all the evidence we could give them. But we just received a form stating our evidence was insufficient and that we have to send more to be processed.

What more could we send? We have sent them every possible piece of evidence asked for that we had.

They list a number of items they want, most of which we have already sent them.

Joint tax returns, Leases for our apartments in both our names, joint health insurance, joint renters insurance, joint bank accounts, joint utilities, bla bla blah.

But things they list they want we do not have.

We do not own a home.

We do not jointly own a car because Anh doesn't drive. She has no license. So how can I list her on my car insurance?

We have no kids so how can we provide birth certificates for kids that do not exist?

We do not have any loans together.

They ask for copies of our lease(s) but we provided them already!

They want affidavits written by thirds parties, but we already gave them three! All three were very clearly written and properly done.

Since late winter this year things for us have been very bad. I lost my job and we had to move from our lovely apartment to a craphole in the wall we sublet, so we have no actual lease or utilities in our own name. No renters insurance either. This all happened just prior to filing, so at the time was not an issue.

But what to do now? Honestly, there is nothing else whatsoever we can provide to them. We have already provided every piece of evidence we have. #######?!

We had zero trouble with the interview process in Saigon and you all know how crazy they are. My wife spent a lot of time in Europe and Japan, so she was well traveled and an educated girl. Since coming here she has done very well and has a pretty darned good job in NYC, which she loves. But since late winter we have been subletting and have nothing in our name. No lease, no utilities at all. Yes, we have our bank account and a savings account and our health insurance.

What should we do? Our marriage is not bull----. I can't begin to describe how angry I am at this moment.

[fozzie 41]

Congress or senator help does not usually occur until your case is outside 'normal processing times' which is NOT 3 months. Its more like 6 months.

[zqt3344 21]

Sorry to say but you are incorrect, it is 3 months and I know from personal experience talking to a USCIS case worker and other VJ members that have done this.

Congress or senator help does not usually occur until your case is outside 'normal processing times' which is NOT 3 months. Its more like 6 months.

[mozplay 29]

Sorry to say but you are incorrect, it is 3 months and I know from personal experience talking to a USCIS case worker and other VJ members that have done this.

Congress or senator help does not usually occur until your case is outside 'normal processing times' which is NOT 3 months. Its more like 6 months.

It depends on where you file... right now, VSC is processing in 6 months.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

You sent them more than I have. I, too, believe, it's a hiccup in the system. Somebody lost something or didn't look closely enough or had a bad day.

Here's my suggestion:

Start with a cover letter describing yourselves. We met . . . got engaged . . . married . . . been living together. My wife doesn't have a driver's license, so she doesn't drive.

Sent all of the documents you sent before again.

Add a few photos. You should be fine.

[Matt_Stevens 5]

I am wondering if the primary reason is that we have no proof of a place we rented for the first year she was here. We rented from family, in cash, so it was just a verbal agreement. Well, there is no way around that. It was what it was. We have bank records with that address, so we can easily show we were living there. I am just perplexed. We sent all that in.

[Matt_Stevens 5]

First of all, why can't we edit past a few minutes? Now I have to make another post.

I just called and talked to USCIS and they were ZERO help. None. She just kept reading canned responses.

So should I make an appointment through info-pass? If I see a local agent can they find out what the heck the problem is and then allow me to address it? Or will it just be another waste of time.

https://infopass.uscis.gov/infopass.php

Of course, in looking at that website I might not even qualify to make an appointment. They list four reasons and I am none of them.

Edited September 14, 2009 by Matt_Stevens

[D&R 0]

OK, this is just nuts. Up to this point everything had been so easy, so I guess it was only a matter of time before we were hit with the whip.

We filed the I751 earlier this year with all the evidence we could give them. But we just received a form stating our evidence was insufficient and that we have to send more to be processed.

What more could we send? We have sent them every possible piece of evidence asked for that we had.

They list a number of items they want, most of which we have already sent them.

Joint tax returns, Leases for our apartments in both our names, joint health insurance, joint renters insurance, joint bank accounts, joint utilities, bla bla blah.

But things they list they want we do not have.

We do not own a home.

We do not jointly own a car because Anh doesn't drive. She has no license. So how can I list her on my car insurance?

We have no kids so how can we provide birth certificates for kids that do not exist?

We do not have any loans together.

They ask for copies of our lease(s) but we provided them already!

They want affidavits written by thirds parties, but we already gave them three! All three were very clearly written and properly done.

Since late winter this year things for us have been very bad. I lost my job and we had to move from our lovely apartment to a craphole in the wall we sublet, so we have no actual lease or utilities in our own name. No renters insurance either. This all happened just prior to filing, so at the time was not an issue.

But what to do now? Honestly, there is nothing else whatsoever we can provide to them. We have already provided every piece of evidence we have. #######?!

We had zero trouble with the interview process in Saigon and you all know how crazy they are. My wife spent a lot of time in Europe and Japan, so she was well traveled and an educated girl. Since coming here she has done very well and has a pretty darned good job in NYC, which she loves. But since late winter we have been subletting and have nothing in our name. No lease, no utilities at all. Yes, we have our bank account and a savings account and our health insurance.

What should we do? Our marriage is not bull----. I can't begin to describe how angry I am at this moment.

You mentioned joint loans... Maybe you could consider getting a small loan in both your names that you can easily pay back (even if you end up paying some interest it could still be worth it if it's the extra evidence they need) Just a thought

[Otto 83]

Sometimes it just helps to post exactly what the RFE notice(s) says. And, along with the exact wording, and exact list of things you sent originally.

[Matt_Stevens 5]

The letter actually states, in bold: Do not send copies of documents previously submitted. Well, #######?! What else can I send? I might be able to find maybe one or two additional pieces of evidence to send, but that is it. If this thing is telling me not to submit stuff I sent prior, then they have not lost anything and want new evidence.

Here is a scan of the first page, with the name and other private stuff blacked out...

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8529/i797.jpg

We originally sent:

Photos of wedding, vacations, trips, family gatherings, etc.

Stuff with joint names:

Copies of lease for apartment in Brooklyn

Same for apartment in Queens

Copy of renters policy

Copy of our health insurance

Copy of bank statements from Wachovia and Citibank

Copy of our cable bill in Queens

Copy of our Verizon Wireless plan

Three affidavits

Marriage certificate

I am sure there is more, but I do not recall off the top of my head.

Edited September 14, 2009 by Matt_Stevens