USA is #37 and Proud of it!

[_Simpson_ 250]

Shh 32 is a long ways away from number 1, shouldn't you be licking your own wounds and figuring out a solution so you can brag about how great the health care is in Australia.

Maybe the don't need it. After all, they do have one of the longest life spans in the world. Yes beating the French who are number one. Ever thought of that.

So does that mean you dont agree with the way WHO ranks the countries?

WHO is measuring quality of health care amongst other things. Naturally, you can have a basic sedan equivalent quality and then have a quality all the way to a 750 LI BMW equivalent. Clearly France invests a lot in the quality of their health care. However, quality in health care alone does not equate to a higher standard of living or a better quality of life.

I read up on how WHO gets there numbers and I got to tell you its not a very accurate way to determine these things IMO. I know many will hold it up as gold because of the health care debate, there loving this, does that mean I think were number 1 or that our health care is one of the best well no thats not what Im saying, sure theres alot of room for improvement but dam what about what we brought to the medical community. Something not considered in WHO.

Edited September 15, 2009 by _Simpson_

[SpiritAlight 1]

Okay, I see that people here have taken some ball and ran with it.

I am not saying that only poor people go to jail.

What I have observed is that if you are rich and guilty you get a good lawyer, a team of lawyers and out you walk.

Free to continue.

Is this right?

Is this justice?

Poor people kill.

Rich people kill.

Middle class people kill.

Yup, and they are all born right here on USian soil.

Go figure that there are criminals born here.

But

let's stop everyone with a green card driving across the border from Canada and interrogate them and search their car.

Arrrr....sorry, did I digress again?

Hahaha!

The U.S. has some fantastic things that keep me wanting to live here.

It also has some horrible things.

Hey every country does!

Although I do like the idea Bhutan is looking at:

like measuring the country's happiness quotient instead of the GDP...they have the HDP or something like that.

[_Simpson_ 250]

1. That you think i was being sarcastic, when I am deadly and possibly naively serious.

2. I am probably older than you. Interesting how people guess at such things.

Yes I can guarantee you are older than me, I was being sarcastic. I am 34.

The good things are always the good things ever where at every time:

we always have choices.

We can choose to continue this train wreck, or we can stop!

Stop and take stock of what there actually is and what we can do.

Too much smoke and mirrors (thanks Wall Street) and not enough clarity and care for others and Mother Earth.

Still cant find nothing good to say about the USA.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

This should be a lesson to those who love America. Stop saving the rest of the world's ####, because in the end, they'll just b itch and moan.

France, Australia, Britain, etc...

Its apparent who the whiners are... Wahhh i'm not getting any freebies... Wahhh i robbed and killed those people because i'm poor. wahhhhhh he has too much money and i want some, he must be a criminal, wahhhhhhhhh!!

How about you saving Crapigan first since the state looks like a third world country.. Last thing that comes to mind regarding Michigan is money. Detroit is like a third world war torn city.

Guess who's been running this state for many years? Hmmm let me think about that.

[Heracles 417]

Guess who's been running this state for many years? Hmmm let me think about that.

You are right on that one; Particularly regarding Detroit.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I am not saying that only poor people go to jail.

What I have observed is that if you are rich and guilty you get a good lawyer, a team of lawyers and out you walk.

Free to continue.

Is this right?

Is this justice?

Poor people kill.

Rich people kill.

Middle class people kill.

So whats the solution, should the tax payers pay for the poor to get a good team of lawyers or should we punish the rich and not let them have a team of lawyers? Innocent people go to jail, wheres the justice in that? Should we not build prisons?

Edited September 15, 2009 by _Simpson_

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Shh 32 is a long ways away from number 1, shouldn't you be licking your own wounds and figuring out a solution so you can brag about how great the health care is in Australia.

Maybe the don't need it. After all, they do have one of the longest life spans in the world. Yes beating the French who are number one. Ever thought of that.

So does that mean you dont agree with the way WHO ranks the countries?

WHO is measuring quality of health care amongst other things. Naturally, you can have a basic sedan equivalent quality and then have a quality all the way to a 750 LI BMW equivalent. Clearly France invests a lot in the quality of their health care. However, quality in health care alone does not equate to a higher standard of living or a better quality of life.

I read up on how WHO gets there numbers and I got to tell you its not a very accurate way to determine these things IMO. I know many will hold it up as gold because of the health care debate, there loving this, does that mean I think were number 1 or that our health care is one of the best well no thats not what Im saying, sure theres alot of room for improvement but dam what about what we brought to the medical community. Something not considered in WHO.

You know, I don't really care whether we are 37, 25 or 10 on that list. We should be 1 based on one simple fact - we pay the most for health care. When you pay the price of a Mercedes - a Bentley, really - and you end up in a Chevy, you just know that you've been stiffed. That's precisely what happens in the health care field here - we pay by far the most per capita and measured on GDP for health care and receive far less than the most in return. I know that I'm being stiffed by the health care industry in this country and I just don't like it.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Shh 32 is a long ways away from number 1, shouldn't you be licking your own wounds and figuring out a solution so you can brag about how great the health care is in Australia.

Maybe the don't need it. After all, they do have one of the longest life spans in the world. Yes beating the French who are number one. Ever thought of that.

So does that mean you dont agree with the way WHO ranks the countries?

WHO is measuring quality of health care amongst other things. Naturally, you can have a basic sedan equivalent quality and then have a quality all the way to a 750 LI BMW equivalent. Clearly France invests a lot in the quality of their health care. However, quality in health care alone does not equate to a higher standard of living or a better quality of life.

I read up on how WHO gets there numbers and I got to tell you its not a very accurate way to determine these things IMO. I know many will hold it up as gold because of the health care debate, there loving this, does that mean I think were number 1 or that our health care is one of the best well no thats not what Im saying, sure theres alot of room for improvement but dam what about what we brought to the medical community. Something not considered in WHO.

You know, I don't really care whether we are 37, 25 or 10 on that list. We should be 1 based on one simple fact - we pay the most for health care. When you pay the price of a Mercedes - a Bentley, really - and you end up in a Chevy, you just know that you've been stiffed. That's precisely what happens in the health care field here - we pay by far the most per capita and measured on GDP for health care and receive far less than the most in return. I know that I'm being stiffed by the health care industry in this country and I just don't like it.

Well the list was the focal point considering the Thread. So in this situation I think it does matter 37,25 or 10. Im all for improving our health care but how we go about it well....

Edited September 15, 2009 by _Simpson_

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Move to the other top 36 countries then!

How about we move the country up and you go to whatever country takes #37 since you like that rnk so much? I, for one, am tired of paying for a Mercedes while getting a fcuking Yugo.

Cha-ching.

[Ban Hammer 13,644]

Move to the other top 36 countries then!

How about we move the country up and you go to whatever country takes #37 since you like that rnk so much? I, for one, am tired of paying for a Mercedes while getting a fcuking Yugo.

Cha-ching.

exactly. if you want a mercedes, be prepared to pay for a mercedes.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Move to the other top 36 countries then!

How about we move the country up and you go to whatever country takes #37 since you like that rnk so much? I, for one, am tired of paying for a Mercedes while getting a fcuking Yugo.

Cha-ching.

exactly. if you want a mercedes, be prepared to pay for a mercedes.

We're doing that already. So either deliver that damn Mercedes already or keep delivering that Yugo and charge me for a Yugo. Better yet, find something reasonable in the middle like a Volkswagen - at the customary price of a Volkswagen.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Move to the other top 36 countries then!

How about we move the country up and you go to whatever country takes #37 since you like that rnk so much? I, for one, am tired of paying for a Mercedes while getting a fcuking Yugo.

Cha-ching.

exactly. if you want a mercedes, be prepared to pay for a mercedes.

We're doing that already. So either deliver that damn Mercedes already or keep delivering that Yugo and charge me for a Yugo. Better yet, find something reasonable in the middle like a Volkswagen - at the customary price of a Volkswagen.

So you're saying the actual care isn't good? Thats the first i've heard of that.

[HAL 9000 96]

Move to the other top 36 countries then!

How about we move the country up and you go to whatever country takes #37 since you like that rnk so much? I, for one, am tired of paying for a Mercedes while getting a fcuking Yugo.

Cha-ching.

exactly. if you want a mercedes, be prepared to pay for a mercedes.

I dunno... I prefer to get what I pay for. A Mercedes is a Mercedes.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Move to the other top 36 countries then!

How about we move the country up and you go to whatever country takes #37 since you like that rnk so much? I, for one, am tired of paying for a Mercedes while getting a fcuking Yugo.

Cha-ching.

exactly. if you want a mercedes, be prepared to pay for a mercedes.

We're doing that already. So either deliver that damn Mercedes already or keep delivering that Yugo and charge me for a Yugo. Better yet, find something reasonable in the middle like a Volkswagen - at the customary price of a Volkswagen.

So you're saying the actual care isn't good? Thats the first i've heard of that.

Compared to 36 other countries, health care in the U.S. is sub par....hence the OP.

[Heracles 417]

Move to the other top 36 countries then!

How about we move the country up and you go to whatever country takes #37 since you like that rnk so much? I, for one, am tired of paying for a Mercedes while getting a fcuking Yugo.

Cha-ching.

exactly. if you want a mercedes, be prepared to pay for a mercedes.

We're doing that already. So either deliver that damn Mercedes already or keep delivering that Yugo and charge me for a Yugo. Better yet, find something reasonable in the middle like a Volkswagen - at the customary price of a Volkswagen.

So you're saying the actual care isn't good? Thats the first i've heard of that.

Well it's not the best in the world that many who oppose the reform make it out to be. I've used and seen both and can say Aus's is better in many ways.

Health care reminds me of the attitude of those who are born and breed new yorkers. The only thing they have to show that it's the best city in the world, is their opinion. In their mind, that is good enough. To the contrary, I think NYC is aesthetically one of the most run-down cities I have been to. International rankings seem to favor this view of mine. As do people I have spoken to that have traveled all over the world.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Booyah!