South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson shouts 'you lie' at Obama

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Danno, as a god fearing man, would you not like to see an end to discrimination against people with pre existing conditions? Would you not like to see the end of the dumping of insurees who's claims prove 'inconvenient' (expensive) to the insurance companies? Does none of this seem like a good idea to you, really?

Another example of how those without religion in their life are the first to bring it into a conversation.

As for "pre existing conditions" why would I expect my auto policy (state farm) to cover me for accidents or damages I caused before I was even with them?

Why would I expect my home-owners policy to cover a slip and fall accident which happened 6 months before My coverage started?

If my car, my only source of transportation gets destroyed in a flood, should I be able to run out the next week buy insurance and be covered?

Do you think any company can play by Obamas Rules and not;

A. raise their rates considerable

B. Go out of business.

But we both know thats the plan don't we?

*The first thing I would like to see changed it the murky understanding that customers have with their healthcare.

There might be a simplified "rating" OR coding method used so people will know exactly what their coverage is.

I am betting if we gave a test to most of us, we would not know the limits and basic terms of our policies (my self included).

When you take out a loan, you are required to sign forms with the interest rate and terms spelled out in easy to read terms. Businesses to often use the natural tendency of people to "Not" read the details because they are buried.

To often they don't discover the limits of their policy until the NEED it and are now unable to go somewhere else.

Bottom line, I am all for making companies and people abide by the agreement they made.

Danno, you make the best argument I have heard yet, for scrapping the current system, and moving to a single payer system. You are right. Healthcare is not a matter of indemnifying against loss, but rather issue of essential service, and therefore, should be paid for by the taxpayers, like police and fire protection, or border security.

[Danno 1,228]

Danno, as a god fearing man, would you not like to see an end to discrimination against people with pre existing conditions? Would you not like to see the end of the dumping of insurees who's claims prove 'inconvenient' (expensive) to the insurance companies? Does none of this seem like a good idea to you, really?

Another example of how those without religion in their life are the first to bring it into a conversation.

As for "pre existing conditions" why would I expect my auto policy (state farm) to cover me for accidents or damages I caused before I was even with them?

Why would I expect my home-owners policy to cover a slip and fall accident which happened 6 months before My coverage started?

If my car, my only source of transportation gets destroyed in a flood, should I be able to run out the next week buy insurance and be covered?

Do you think any company can play by Obamas Rules and not;

A. raise their rates considerable

B. Go out of business.

But we both know thats the plan don't we?

*The first thing I would like to see changed it the murky understanding that customers have with their healthcare.

There might be a simplified "rating" OR coding method used so people will know exactly what their coverage is.

I am betting if we gave a test to most of us, we would not know the limits and basic terms of our policies (my self included).

When you take out a loan, you are required to sign forms with the interest rate and terms spelled out in easy to read terms. Businesses to often use the natural tendency of people to "Not" read the details because they are buried.

To often they don't discover the limits of their policy until the NEED it and are now unable to go somewhere else.

Bottom line, I am all for making companies and people abide by the agreement they made.

Danno, you make the best argument I have heard yet, for scrapping the current system, and moving to a single payer system. You are right. Healthcare is not a matter of indemnifying against loss, but rather issue of essential service, and therefore, should be paid for by the taxpayers, like police and fire protection, or border security.

Bill are you telling my you just now... at this moment first realized Medical is an essential and there for it must be paid for by tax-payers?

Don't fall out of your chair but there are a whole lot of essential goods and services, such as food, transportation, housing, potable water, heat etc.

If "essential" is the Buzz word at which the Gov must step in, Obamer is going to be a happy guy before his time is up.

[Peikko 1,575]

Danno, as a god fearing man, would you not like to see an end to discrimination against people with pre existing conditions? Would you not like to see the end of the dumping of insurees who's claims prove 'inconvenient' (expensive) to the insurance companies? Does none of this seem like a good idea to you, really?

Another example of how those without religion in their life are the first to bring it into a conversation.

As for "pre existing conditions" why would I expect my auto policy (state farm) to cover me for accidents or damages I caused before I was even with them?

Why would I expect my home-owners policy to cover a slip and fall accident which happened 6 months before My coverage started?

If my car, my only source of transportation gets destroyed in a flood, should I be able to run out the next week buy insurance and be covered?

Do you think any company can play by Obamas Rules and not;

A. raise their rates considerable

B. Go out of business.

But we both know thats the plan don't we?

*The first thing I would like to see changed it the murky understanding that customers have with their healthcare.

There might be a simplified "rating" OR coding method used so people will know exactly what their coverage is.

I am betting if we gave a test to most of us, we would not know the limits and basic terms of our policies (my self included).

When you take out a loan, you are required to sign forms with the interest rate and terms spelled out in easy to read terms. Businesses to often use the natural tendency of people to "Not" read the details because they are buried.

To often they don't discover the limits of their policy until the NEED it and are now unable to go somewhere else.

Bottom line, I am all for making companies and people abide by the agreement they made.

I brought up your religious belief because one of the principal tenets of your belief system is that you endevour to care for those who are less fortunate than yourself. Good health is not simply in the hands of the individual - would that it were. For the most part good health is the product of excellent genetic material. Those with less than steller genetic material, those predisposed to various conditions and diseases, those people are 'those who are less fortunate' than everyone else. It looks remarkably like your belief system takes a back seat when it comes to health care in favour of a whole hearted support of free market economics. I find that most bizarre.

[Peikko 1,575]

Joe Wilson was right.

Well, being churlish, rude and impetuous comes naturally to you, no wonder you find his behaviour impressive.

[Heracles 417]

I brought up your religious belief because one of the principal tenets of your belief system is that you endevour to care for those who are less fortunate than yourself. Good health is not simply in the hands of the individual - would that it were. For the most part good health is the product of excellent genetic material. Those with less than steller genetic material, those predisposed to various conditions and diseases, those people are 'those who are less fortunate' than everyone else. It looks remarkably like your belief system takes a back seat when it comes to health care in favour of a whole hearted support of free market economics. I find that most bizarre.

Isn't the the truth.

One shouldn't generalize but come on. It's seriously like everything is backwards here. Somehow the republican party, the party associated with money and each to their own ideals, has convinced those that are religious, that they are the better party. The basis of Christianity, of the new testament, is compassion. Every man for themselves, goes against the teaching of the bible. Then again I highly doubt the religious right are doing much talking. This seem to be the Rush / corporate jock right that is kicking and screaming. It's all relative really. Much in the same way their equivalents kicked and screamed when America invaded Iraq, those with the most to lose will disrupt by any means possible. Obviously anyone who has profiteered from health care, for so many decades, is currently on life support.

Edited September 11, 2009 by Booyah!

[Peikko 1,575]

It's a wonder that's for sure. Even without christianity my belief system does not allow me to trample over the less fortunate simply to get a better deal for myself.

Edited September 11, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It's not respectful to shout at the President.

[Heracles 417]

I saw on tonight's news that this guy now retracted his apology. You know what, I am going to contribute to the Dems campaign against him there. What is the maximum i can contribution? heck if there is a cap, I'll pay people to send his opposition money too.

About time us freagin convicts flex a bit of muscle and show you pilgrims how it's done. There is no use talking as the Yank skill has evolved and become resistant to common sense. Nothing gets through, unless it involves how the steelers are doing tonight. I bet you I could go to work and say did you guys hear about the 10 people shot in DC yesterday? Nope. Did you see the steelers game. Ooooohhhhh yeah awesome.

Edited September 11, 2009 by Booyah!

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Danno, as a god fearing man, would you not like to see an end to discrimination against people with pre existing conditions? Would you not like to see the end of the dumping of insurees who's claims prove 'inconvenient' (expensive) to the insurance companies? Does none of this seem like a good idea to you, really?

Another example of how those without religion in their life are the first to bring it into a conversation.

As for "pre existing conditions" why would I expect my auto policy (state farm) to cover me for accidents or damages I caused before I was even with them?

Why would I expect my home-owners policy to cover a slip and fall accident which happened 6 months before My coverage started?

If my car, my only source of transportation gets destroyed in a flood, should I be able to run out the next week buy insurance and be covered?

Do you think any company can play by Obamas Rules and not;

A. raise their rates considerable

B. Go out of business.

But we both know thats the plan don't we?

*The first thing I would like to see changed it the murky understanding that customers have with their healthcare.

There might be a simplified "rating" OR coding method used so people will know exactly what their coverage is.

I am betting if we gave a test to most of us, we would not know the limits and basic terms of our policies (my self included).

When you take out a loan, you are required to sign forms with the interest rate and terms spelled out in easy to read terms. Businesses to often use the natural tendency of people to "Not" read the details because they are buried.

To often they don't discover the limits of their policy until the NEED it and are now unable to go somewhere else.

Bottom line, I am all for making companies and people abide by the agreement they made.

Danno, you make the best argument I have heard yet, for scrapping the current system, and moving to a single payer system. You are right. Healthcare is not a matter of indemnifying against loss, but rather issue of essential service, and therefore, should be paid for by the taxpayers, like police and fire protection, or border security.

Bill are you telling my you just now... at this moment first realized Medical is an essential and there for it must be paid for by tax-payers?

Don't fall out of your chair but there are a whole lot of essential goods and services, such as food, transportation, housing, potable water, heat etc.

If "essential" is the Buzz word at which the Gov must step in, Obamer is going to be a happy guy before his time is up.

Just now? No. As long as government is mandating what proceedures are required to be provided for to qualify as an approved employee health plan, they had already determined healthcare as an essential service. So, let them pay for it.

Your list of essential goods and services is already subsidized to the needy, to women, infants, and children, and to the ederly. (Read your utility bill.) I am not beyond letting the government nationalize those services that they have not already nationalized, or relegated to local governments.

[Peikko 1,575]

Retracted his apology? Clearly this is a man of principal, the question is, does he know which principal he wants to abide by?

[pedroh 21]

that wasn't only disrespectful, it was so freakin childlish... there's no 'argument' when you yell like a b!tch, you liee!!! omg leave Obama aloneee!! sniffles

[Heracles 417]

Retracted his apology? Clearly this is a man of principal, the question is, does he know which principal he wants to abide by?

Yes. I saw him on Abc world news and he basically retracted it and stated he was pretty much forced to apologize.

Edit: Ewok needs to get rid of this 2 second edit timeout.

Edited September 11, 2009 by Booyah!

[pedroh 21]

did y'all see Dope Limbaugh defending him? lol

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

did y'all see Dope Limbaugh defending him? lol

Why am I replyin to one? You needin a lil TLC there big boy?

Edited September 11, 2009 by ={Rogue}=

[Heracles 417]

did y'all see Dope Limbaugh defending him? lol

What's to defend and how can you defend that? A booing is one thing but accusing the president of lying. #######. I hope this scumbag realizes that it was broadcast around the world.

For a party the beats on about terrorism, what does Limbaugh and co think the terrorist are going to think of America, when they see that even their own political leaders boo their president.