Another idiot with a gun

[rebeccajo 14]

Right Mark. We have room in all the behavioral health units in this country to hold all the 'unstable' indefinately.

FACT: Most people are held in a behavioral unit less than seven days.

So it's easier to ban guns than fix the broken mental health system?

At first I was gonna come back at you.....but then I realized what a brilliant comment that actually is!

[mawilson 2,133]

Right Mark. We have room in all the behavioral health units in this country to hold all the 'unstable' indefinately.

FACT: Most people are held in a behavioral unit less than seven days.

So it's easier to ban guns than fix the broken mental health system?

At first I was gonna come back at you.....but then I realized what a brilliant comment that actually is!

[_Simpson_ 250]

Right Mark. We have room in all the behavioral health units in this country to hold all the 'unstable' indefinately.

FACT: Most people are held in a behavioral unit less than seven days.

So it's easier to ban guns than fix the broken mental health system?

At first I was gonna come back at you.....but then I realized what a brilliant comment that actually is!

Ban guns, thats kind what I thought you were aiming for, its not going to happen here in the states. Must look for other solutions.

[Heracles 417]

rioters with bricks = apparently you missed something, and i'm not surprised.

The purpose of a brick is to build.

i'm sure reginald denny would agree with you.

As I said, you missed that part where there are two separate arguments in this thread. Politically motivated groups can and will cause mischief regardless of whether they or the government is armed. A politically motivated individual with a gun can do #### all.

As far as incidents of mass murder/suicide are concerned, the gun is the preferred weapon because it's the best tool to deliberately take out targets as apposed to just anyone.

Brick = Gun = Truck = Windshield = Tooth pick

How do you not know that?

[Ban Hammer 13,928]

Well guns aren't made illegally to my knowledge. The money can be followed if there were better tracing methods.

We can start with a whole battery of mental tests for those that want to purchase guns. And then move on to ones that currently own them. That way, not one mental test can be singled out as defective by the likely crop of sudden experts in mental health that is sure to arise out of something like this.

reference the bolded - i suppose innocent until proven guilty isn't in your lexicon.

and who's gonna be making this test you advocate?

[The Dude 206]

Right Mark. We have room in all the behavioral health units in this country to hold all the 'unstable' indefinately.

FACT: Most people are held in a behavioral unit less than seven days.

So it's easier to ban guns than fix the broken mental health system?

At first I was gonna come back at you.....but then I realized what a brilliant comment that actually is!

Ban guns, thats kind what I thought you were aiming for, its not going to happen here in the states. Must look for other solutions.

Even if they did ban guns, it would be about as effective as the government ban on narcotic drugs

[HAL 9000 96]

Congratulations. I can agree with you on the out of context part. Sorry about the mix-up.

If by making 'other options' to equate in carnage you mean there is a statistical significance to the carnage created by firearms... then you'd be dead wrong. That's all I pointed out if you missed it.

Oh ok I see, I agree. I was not trying to say that, I agree guns create more carnage and cant be compared to the 'other option'. Guns are used more than other weapons for the most part because they are easy and effective. I just hate to see the law abiding citizens get screwed with stricter laws by the do something disease when a madman as such does something like this, the problem is with the madman.

So I wonder why there is no real legislation- even by those that support that apparent 2nd Amendment right to individual arms, to be more effective at weeding out legal possession from those that are bona fide, straight-headed, law abiders. It is really weird to be honest. It would be in their best interests and I'd likely support such a legislative push to have an honest discussion about firearm safety and access. My hunch is that there are many crazies in denial within that (pardon the offense) 'gun culture' crowd that know they'd be targeted for disarming due to their mental nature.

I would support something that could give us a honest discussion about gun safety. You just cant fix stupid though, most of the accidental shootings with children are because parents are just not using common sense and dont lock there guns up ect. As far as street violence there obtain illegally to start with. I dont know that stricter laws would fix these situations. I would just hope that under these discussions that both sides would be willing to give a little and I dont think thats very likely. We do need to address the problem, I just think going down the stricter laws road will do little good.

I agree there is a lot of gun owners that probably shouldnt own guns but I dont know that there is really a effective way to regulate these people.

Well guns aren't made illegally to my knowledge. The money can be followed if there were better tracing methods.

We can start with a whole battery of mental tests for those that want to purchase guns. And then move on to ones that currently own them. That way, not one mental test can be singled out as defective by the likely crop of sudden experts in mental health that is sure to arise out of something like this.

Many are smuggled in and account for a lot of the gun related street violence.

I dont think we could effectively mentally test gun owners and besides that to have somebody sit down with you and evaluate you could get spendy.

In and out, actually. Like I said... we have to follow the money trail to the root profiteers.

I may not be the biggest supporter of standardized personality tests for employment... but they can be modified and even computerized- keeping costs down.

[Heracles 417]

I am still waiting for someone to explain why gun control will not work when the US's homicide by means of firearms is 160 times that of a country with reasonable gun control; not ban, but control.

[Ban Hammer 13,928]

rioters with bricks = apparently you missed something, and i'm not surprised.

The purpose of a brick is to build.

i'm sure reginald denny would agree with you.

As I said, you missed that part where there are two separate arguments in this thread. Politically motivated groups can and will cause mischief regardless of whether they or the government is armed. A politically motivated individual with a gun can do #### all.

As far as incidents of mass murder/suicide are concerned, the gun is the preferred weapon because it's the best tool to deliberately take out targets as apposed to just anyone.

personally, i think a tanker truck would do more mayhem. any idea how many propane trucks run around the country?

[HAL 9000 96]

Well guns aren't made illegally to my knowledge. The money can be followed if there were better tracing methods.

We can start with a whole battery of mental tests for those that want to purchase guns. And then move on to ones that currently own them. That way, not one mental test can be singled out as defective by the likely crop of sudden experts in mental health that is sure to arise out of something like this.

reference the bolded - i suppose innocent until proven guilty isn't in your lexicon.

and who's gonna be making this test you advocate?

It can at renewal time. Bold that.

I think what you are looking for is an ex post facto principle. By changing renewal procedures, you take care of that. Of course there are those lazies that just resist change 'just because'...

As many Republicans would say with the Patriot Act... If you have nothing to hide... you wouldn't mind this intrusion into your privacy...

Difference is that this isn't a privacy issue, in case you didn't get the parallel logic.

Because it isn't.

[Ban Hammer 13,928]

I am still waiting for someone to explain why gun control will not work when the US's homicide by means of firearms is 160 times that of a country with reasonable gun control; not ban, but control.

why yes, virginia, i'm sure the thugs and criminals will be happy to give up their guns just because of the law.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Right Mark. We have room in all the behavioral health units in this country to hold all the 'unstable' indefinately.

FACT: Most people are held in a behavioral unit less than seven days.

So it's easier to ban guns than fix the broken mental health system?

At first I was gonna come back at you.....but then I realized what a brilliant comment that actually is!

Ban guns, thats kind what I thought you were aiming for, its not going to happen here in the states. Must look for other solutions.

Even if they did ban guns, it would be about as effective as the government ban on narcotic drugs

So we agree on something, I knew it would happen sooner or later. Dont ban guns.

[Ban Hammer 13,928]

Well guns aren't made illegally to my knowledge. The money can be followed if there were better tracing methods.

We can start with a whole battery of mental tests for those that want to purchase guns. And then move on to ones that currently own them. That way, not one mental test can be singled out as defective by the likely crop of sudden experts in mental health that is sure to arise out of something like this.

reference the bolded - i suppose innocent until proven guilty isn't in your lexicon.

and who's gonna be making this test you advocate?

It can at renewal time. Bold that.

I think what you are looking for is an ex post facto principle. By changing renewal procedures, you take care of that. Of course there are those lazies that just resist change 'just because'...

As many Republicans would say with the Patriot Act... If you have nothing to hide... you wouldn't mind this intrusion into your privacy...

Difference is that this isn't a privacy issue, in case you didn't get the parallel logic.

Because it isn't.

what is this renewal you speak of? there is no requirement for me to have a license for any gun i own. perhaps you might be thinking of a conceal carry licence, but that only applies to handguns.

here's your sign: fail

[HAL 9000 96]

I am still waiting for someone to explain why gun control will not work when the US's homicide by means of firearms is 160 times that of a country with reasonable gun control; not ban, but control.

Campaign contributions.

Well guns aren't made illegally to my knowledge. The money can be followed if there were better tracing methods.

We can start with a whole battery of mental tests for those that want to purchase guns. And then move on to ones that currently own them. That way, not one mental test can be singled out as defective by the likely crop of sudden experts in mental health that is sure to arise out of something like this.

reference the bolded - i suppose innocent until proven guilty isn't in your lexicon.

and who's gonna be making this test you advocate?

It can at renewal time. Bold that.

I think what you are looking for is an ex post facto principle. By changing renewal procedures, you take care of that. Of course there are those lazies that just resist change 'just because'...

As many Republicans would say with the Patriot Act... If you have nothing to hide... you wouldn't mind this intrusion into your privacy...

Difference is that this isn't a privacy issue, in case you didn't get the parallel logic.

Because it isn't.

what is this renewal you speak of? there is no requirement for me to have a license for any gun i own. perhaps you might be thinking of a conceal carry licence, but that only applies to handguns.

here's your sign: fail

Who's talking about any existing permit structures? That's why I think I am mentioning control legislation as a theoretical thing- as in... it doesn't really exist yet.

Maybe you can read back beyond your stumble there.

[natty bumppo 297]

Well guns aren't made illegally to my knowledge. The money can be followed if there were better tracing methods.

We can start with a whole battery of mental tests for those that want to purchase guns. And then move on to ones that currently own them. That way, not one mental test can be singled out as defective by the likely crop of sudden experts in mental health that is sure to arise out of something like this.

reference the bolded - i suppose innocent until proven guilty isn't in your lexicon.

and who's gonna be making this test you advocate?

It can at renewal time. Bold that.

I think what you are looking for is an ex post facto principle. By changing renewal procedures, you take care of that. Of course there are those lazies that just resist change 'just because'...

isn't it gonna be a little difficult to renew something that doesn't exist?

eta: charles ... not fair ... your connection is faster

Edited September 8, 2009 by Natty Bumppo