Obama, the Mortal

[Ban Hammer 13,643]

What happened to bring his popularity down further than that of any new president in polling history save Gerald Ford (post-Nixon pardon)?

I don't know - the fact that he inherited the worst economy since FDR, perhaps?

No. He has done a lot on his own to create the mess he is in. He spends like a drunken sailor, and it's done no good.

He does? I thought Congress passed the spending bills. That aside, it hasn't done any good? What would the economy and the job market look like today without the stimulus package? What financial institutions would still be around today? You got specifics on that scenario? Please share.

oh so now it's not the president's fault. whereas before everything was bush's fault because he was the president.

I'm still waiting to hear what exactly Obama did to make the economy worse than what he inherited. Remember that he inherited an economy that was about to fall off a cliff. It hasn't. So, what is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

before it wasn't congress's fault when bush was in office, even though the last 2 years of his presidency included a democratic majority. now it's congress's fault.

gotta love your consistency.

[HAL 9000 96]

I could hear whining before I logged on today.

So... if he has indeed furthered its downward spiral through spending... I'd like to know then... why has less than 20% of ARRA been actually... um... spent??

It seems like this is more idiotic posturing, that's all. We love to whine here.

Somehow-

I fear that there will be a really strong backlash against all this stupidity being mainly propagated by the angry and virulent strains of neo-conservative 'thinking'... and Obama and the liberal agenda (meaning most of us ) in this country will benefit from it- to the dismay of all the ranting fools out there.

[alienlovechild 75]

I'm still waiting to hear what exactly Obama did to make the economy worse than what he inherited. Remember that he inherited an economy that was about to fall off a cliff. It hasn't. So, what is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

Stimulus package that stimlulated nothing.

Auto company bailouts but mostly benefting Japanese automakers. See cash for clunkers.

Increasing unemployment.

Working on massive (more) government interference in the health care industry.

I'd had thought you cite something, anything as a success story for Obama but alas. . .

There's less that can be done as both parties are addicted to government spending and deficit funding. There's little that any president can cut because of entitlement programs. Not much flexibility.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What happened to bring his popularity down further than that of any new president in polling history save Gerald Ford (post-Nixon pardon)?

I don't know - the fact that he inherited the worst economy since FDR, perhaps?

No. He has done a lot on his own to create the mess he is in. He spends like a drunken sailor, and it's done no good.

He does? I thought Congress passed the spending bills. That aside, it hasn't done any good? What would the economy and the job market look like today without the stimulus package? What financial institutions would still be around today? You got specifics on that scenario? Please share.

oh so now it's not the president's fault. whereas before everything was bush's fault because he was the president.

I'm still waiting to hear what exactly Obama did to make the economy worse than what he inherited. Remember that he inherited an economy that was about to fall off a cliff. It hasn't. So, what is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

before it wasn't congress's fault when bush was in office, even though the last 2 years of his presidency included a democratic majority. now it's congress's fault.

gotta love your consistency.

You're pretty good at dodging yourself. Maybe you missed the question:

What is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

As for the role of Congress - I haven't been a fan of Congress for some time. Never claimed that the Democrats are doing well with the majority they have. They're very disappointing now that they have a comfortable majority in both chambers and they still can't get anything done right.

As for the last two Bush years, remember that there's this pesky little thing called a VETO and remember that it takes a 2/3 majority to override it. Haven't seen these kind of majorities in Congress. However, given the picture we see today, I doubt that they would've done any better with a more solid majority.

[natty bumppo 297]

What happened to bring his popularity down further than that of any new president in polling history save Gerald Ford (post-Nixon pardon)?

I don't know - the fact that he inherited the worst economy since FDR, perhaps?

No. He has done a lot on his own to create the mess he is in. He spends like a drunken sailor, and it's done no good.

He does? I thought Congress passed the spending bills. That aside, it hasn't done any good? What would the economy and the job market look like today without the stimulus package? What financial institutions would still be around today? You got specifics on that scenario? Please share.

oh so now it's not the president's fault. whereas before everything was bush's fault because he was the president.

I'm still waiting to hear what exactly Obama did to make the economy worse than what he inherited. Remember that he inherited an economy that was about to fall off a cliff. It hasn't. So, what is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

before it wasn't congress's fault when bush was in office, even though the last 2 years of his presidency included a democratic majority. now it's congress's fault.

gotta love your consistency.

You're pretty good at dodging yourself. Maybe you missed the question:

What is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

As for the role of Congress - I haven't been a fan of Congress for some time. Never claimed that the Democrats are doing well with the majority they have. They're very disappointing now that they have a comfortable majority in both chambers and they still can't get anything done right.

As for the last two Bush years, remember that there's this pesky little thing called a VETO and remember that it takes a 2/3 majority to override it. Haven't seen these kind of majorities in Congress. However, given the picture we see today, I doubt that they would've done any better with a more solid majority.

the veto was used how many times?

[Brad and Vika 129]

Just stopping by for a dose of snarky OT over-the-top commentary. Thanks ya'all!

[HAL 9000 96]

Hey Brad nice to see you around.

Natty... its not the quantity but the quality... remember... context is everything...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm still waiting to hear what exactly Obama did to make the economy worse than what he inherited. Remember that he inherited an economy that was about to fall off a cliff. It hasn't. So, what is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

Stimulus package that stimlulated nothing.

Auto company bailouts but mostly benefting Japanese automakers. See cash for clunkers.

Increasing unemployment.

Working on massive (more) government interference in the health care industry.

I'd had thought you cite something, anything as a success story for Obama but alas. . .

There's less that can be done as both parties are addicted to government spending and deficit funding. There's little that any president can cut because of entitlement programs. Not much flexibility.

What's the alternative? What should have been done?

What would the jobless situation be today if there was no stimulus package? We do know that we would have fewer police on the streets, fewer teachers in the classrooms, fewer construction workers in employment.

No cash for clunkers? Again, fewer jobs in the autmotive sector - these Japanese cars are largely manufactured in the US. Dealerships would have employed fewer people.

Health care? We have the most inefficient system in the developed world, paying by far the most for by far the least in return, leaving millions of Americans on the outside looking in. We're being ripped off and something will need to be done to change this picture. When people are treated in lifestock stalls then you know that something is seriously wrong. What should the Presdient do? Just leave it for the next guy like his predecessor did?

[natty bumppo 297]

Hey Brad nice to see you around.

Natty... its not the quantity but the quality... remember... context is everything...

hey ... I just asked a simple question ...

I hear there is a good fishin' hole for mods down the river a ways ... wanna grab a few cold ones and see what we can catch

Edited September 7, 2009 by Natty Bumppo

[HAL 9000 96]

Ahhh... you gotta love them ole' things called facts and details.

[HAL 9000 96]

Hey Brad nice to see you around.

Natty... its not the quantity but the quality... remember... context is everything...

hey ... I just asked a simple question ...

I hear there is a good mod fishin' hole down the river a ways ... wanna grab a few cold ones and see what we can catch

Therein is your answer. I just looked and wikipedia lists them-

George W. Bush

1. July 19, 2006: Vetoed H.R. 810

, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, a bill to ease restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Override attempt failed in House, 235-193 (286 needed). 2. May 1, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1591

, U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. Override attempt failed in House, 222-203 (284 needed). A later version of the bill that excluded certain aspects of the initial legislation that the President disapproved of... H.R. 2206 , was enacted as Pub.L. 110-28 with the President's approval. 3. June 20, 2007: Vetoed S. 5

, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007. 4. October 3, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 976

, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 ("SCHIP"). Override attempt failed in House, 273-156 (286 votes needed). 5. November 2, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1495

, Water Resources Development Act of 2007. Overridden by House, 361-54 (277 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 79-14 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 110-114 over President's veto. 6. November 13, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3043

, Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008. Override attempt failed in House, 277-141 (279 votes needed). 7. December 12, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3963

, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007.^[20] Override attempt failed in House, 260-152 (275 votes needed). 8. December 28, 2007: Pocket Vetoed H.R. 1585

, National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008^[21]. A later version of the bill that changed a minor provision of which the President disapproved was quickly passed by Congress (H.R. 4986 ) and was enacted with the President's approval as Pub.L. 110-181 on 28 January 2008. 9. March 8, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2082

, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008.^[22][23] Override attempt failed in House, 225-188. 10. May 21, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2419

, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill.^[24][25] Overridden by House, 316-108 (283 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 82-13 (64 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-234 over the President's veto. Due to a clerical error, this act was repealed by Pub.L. 110-246 . 11. 18 June 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6124

, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill, re-passed by Congress to correct a clerical error in HR 2419.^[26] Overridden by House, 317-109 (284 votes required). Overridden by Senate, 80-14 (63 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-246 over the President's veto. 12. July 15, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6331

, Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act.^[27] Overridden by House, 383-41 (283 votes required.) Overridden by Senate, 70-26 (64 votes required). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-275 over the President's veto.

@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unite...idential_vetoes

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What happened to bring his popularity down further than that of any new president in polling history save Gerald Ford (post-Nixon pardon)?

I don't know - the fact that he inherited the worst economy since FDR, perhaps?

No. He has done a lot on his own to create the mess he is in. He spends like a drunken sailor, and it's done no good.

He does? I thought Congress passed the spending bills. That aside, it hasn't done any good? What would the economy and the job market look like today without the stimulus package? What financial institutions would still be around today? You got specifics on that scenario? Please share.

oh so now it's not the president's fault. whereas before everything was bush's fault because he was the president.

I'm still waiting to hear what exactly Obama did to make the economy worse than what he inherited. Remember that he inherited an economy that was about to fall off a cliff. It hasn't. So, what is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

before it wasn't congress's fault when bush was in office, even though the last 2 years of his presidency included a democratic majority. now it's congress's fault.

gotta love your consistency.

You're pretty good at dodging yourself. Maybe you missed the question:

What is it that he did that made the economy worse? And what should have been done to make it better?

As for the role of Congress - I haven't been a fan of Congress for some time. Never claimed that the Democrats are doing well with the majority they have. They're very disappointing now that they have a comfortable majority in both chambers and they still can't get anything done right.

As for the last two Bush years, remember that there's this pesky little thing called a VETO and remember that it takes a 2/3 majority to override it. Haven't seen these kind of majorities in Congress. However, given the picture we see today, I doubt that they would've done any better with a more solid majority.

the veto was used how many times?

12 times between July 2006 and July 2008. 11 of these vetoes were used when the Congress was controlled by the Democrats. Of course, Bush made clear on many occasins that he would veto certain legislation which serves as an effective tool to prevent passage if Congress knows that they don't have the votes to override such veto. I wish they'd pass legislation anyways and let the President veto it but that's often not how it works.

[natty bumppo 297]

Hey Brad nice to see you around.

Natty... its not the quantity but the quality... remember... context is everything...

hey ... I just asked a simple question ...

I hear there is a good mod fishin' hole down the river a ways ... wanna grab a few cold ones and see what we can catch

Therein is your answer. I just looked and wikipedia lists them-

George W. Bush

1. July 19, 2006: Vetoed H.R. 810

, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, a bill to ease restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Override attempt failed in House, 235-193 (286 needed). 2. May 1, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1591

, U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. Override attempt failed in House, 222-203 (284 needed). A later version of the bill that excluded certain aspects of the initial legislation that the President disapproved of... H.R. 2206 , was enacted as Pub.L. 110-28 with the President's approval. 3. June 20, 2007: Vetoed S. 5

, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007. 4. October 3, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 976

, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 ("SCHIP"). Override attempt failed in House, 273-156 (286 votes needed). 5. November 2, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1495

, Water Resources Development Act of 2007. Overridden by House, 361-54 (277 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 79-14 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 110-114 over President's veto. 6. November 13, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3043

, Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008. Override attempt failed in House, 277-141 (279 votes needed). 7. December 12, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3963

, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007.^[20] Override attempt failed in House, 260-152 (275 votes needed). 8. December 28, 2007: Pocket Vetoed H.R. 1585

, National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008^[21]. A later version of the bill that changed a minor provision of which the President disapproved was quickly passed by Congress (H.R. 4986 ) and was enacted with the President's approval as Pub.L. 110-181 on 28 January 2008. 9. March 8, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2082

, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008.^[22][23] Override attempt failed in House, 225-188. 10. May 21, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2419

, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill.^[24][25] Overridden by House, 316-108 (283 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 82-13 (64 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-234 over the President's veto. Due to a clerical error, this act was repealed by Pub.L. 110-246 . 11. 18 June 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6124

, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill, re-passed by Congress to correct a clerical error in HR 2419.^[26] Overridden by House, 317-109 (284 votes required). Overridden by Senate, 80-14 (63 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-246 over the President's veto. 12. July 15, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6331

, Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act.^[27] Overridden by House, 383-41 (283 votes required.) Overridden by Senate, 70-26 (64 votes required). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-275 over the President's veto.

@ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unite...idential_vetoes

fair nuff ...

looks like ... win some/ lose some/ adjusted some. business as usual?

[HAL 9000 96]

Look a little deeper Natty...

And Reinhart is right... the threat of veto has a lot of sway in Washington, unfortunately.

[natty bumppo 297]

Look a little deeper Natty...

And Reinhart is right... the threat of veto has a lot of sway in Washington, unfortunately.

sorry ... the boys just woke from their nap and I only gave a quick look ...

i don't think everything the reps/ senate passes should be expected to be signed by the pres even if all three groups are the same party. a little check/balance can be a good thing.