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I do have questions about the OP--How on earth did that guy manage to get FIVE slaps in?

Why didn't the mother intervene after the 1st one?

I thought the same thing myself. But maybe she was picking something from a shelf and wasn't looking. Although I believe in disciplining our kids, I would beat the sh!t out of that guy if it was my child.

well, in different news story about this incident I read , that he followed them into a different aisle and saw the kid was still crying and grabbed the kid and started slapping her.. I am sure the mother was in shock and maybe she didn't notice right away..

Probably. I just don't see anyone letting a stranger slap their children. The guy was a freak, poor kid.

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I have wanted to slap someone else's kid.....sometimes when I am in the front yard and a group of teens walk by usually cussing in my presents. They just have NO RESPECT :no: !!!!!!

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I'm not a big fan of kids because they're loud, need attention, act crazy, ect. I think being around kids is ok in moderation, but I like the idea of giving them back to their parents when they start doing things like screaming in public and such. I've spent enough time around little kids to know that they usually shut up if you just ignore them, and I think that's why a lot of parents do nothing about it and ignore them even if they're really embarrassed by it because that's what works. I can't believe that guy smacked her. I'm sure the mother was in shock and wasn't really sure what to do because it was so bizarre.

I agree totally. I completely respect the feelings of others who choose not to have children or don't really enjoy children. And who can blame a stranger for being annoyed by a crying child, though they have to be realistic and accept that they did the same thing when they were children and their poor mothers had to deal with them. And you are absolutely right that often when you ignore crying, it stops. The reason for the crying is to get attention. If you starve the crying of attention, it stops, like a fire starved of oxygen. But, because I respect the feelings of others, I don't usually ignore the crying in public.

I'm surprised by that statement from someone who is a teacher because I thought all teachers had to take courses on child development? Where did you get that notion, that children only cry for attention?

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*** I'm surprised by that statement from someone who is a teacher because I thought all teachers had to take courses on child development? Where did you get that notion, that children only cry for attention? ****

I guess I ditto that. Sometimes children will "act out" to get attention and sometimes this is by throwing a temper tantrum. But, little kids who don't communicate well, it seems acting out might be their only way of communicating something is wrong. They could have a tooth coming in and it hurts and they have a fever. They could have a rash on their bottoms that is burning and itching. They could have a tummy ache and not be sure if they need to vomit or go potty. That last one I know well.

My younger girl, when she was a toddler, could never truly identify what was wrong. She'd say she was hungry, and then 5 minutes later throw up. She associated that feeling of sickness in her stomache of being hungry. She'd be crying and saying how she was so hungry and making a lot of noise, and then throw up and then cry some more. She still has some issues with her wiring, for instance, sometimes when she hurts herself she laughs... that's just her though, her sensory system isn't quite normal. But sometimes kids just cry and complain and it can definitely be from an underlying reason, something definitely more than just seeking attention.

That's just one of the hard parts of being a parent, knowing when your child needs aid... and when they just want you to get off the phone and to go get them a hot pocket.

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*** I'm surprised by that statement from someone who is a teacher because I thought all teachers had to take courses on child development? Where did you get that notion, that children only cry for attention? ****

I guess I ditto that. Sometimes children will "act out" to get attention and sometimes this is by throwing a temper tantrum. But, little kids who don't communicate well, it seems acting out might be their only way of communicating something is wrong. They could have a tooth coming in and it hurts and they have a fever. They could have a rash on their bottoms that is burning and itching. They could have a tummy ache and not be sure if they need to vomit or go potty. That last one I know well.

My younger girl, when she was a toddler, could never truly identify what was wrong. She'd say she was hungry, and then 5 minutes later throw up. She associated that feeling of sickness in her stomache of being hungry. She'd be crying and saying how she was so hungry and making a lot of noise, and then throw up and then cry some more. She still has some issues with her wiring, for instance, sometimes when she hurts herself she laughs... that's just her though, her sensory system isn't quite normal. But sometimes kids just cry and complain and it can definitely be from an underlying reason, something definitely more than just seeking attention.

That's just one of the hard parts of being a parent, knowing when your child needs aid... and when they just want you to get off the phone and to go get them a hot pocket.

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From what I know about child development, you cannot spoil a child by trying to make sure the child's needs are met. In fact, if a child is craving attention, they will sometimes act out with negative behavior just so Mommy or Daddy will pay attention to them, even if it is discipline.

If my child were to start crying and screaming out loud in a public place, and I knew they were just having a tantrum, I would still take them out of the store out of consideration for others. A tantrum usually is a sign that something else is wrong - past their nap time, past their normal time to eat. Children really need routine and cannot adjust the schedules to fit Mom or Dad's without causing them a lot of distress.

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*** I'm surprised by that statement from someone who is a teacher because I thought all teachers had to take courses on child development? Where did you get that notion, that children only cry for attention? ****

I guess I ditto that. Sometimes children will "act out" to get attention and sometimes this is by throwing a temper tantrum. But, little kids who don't communicate well, it seems acting out might be their only way of communicating something is wrong. They could have a tooth coming in and it hurts and they have a fever. They could have a rash on their bottoms that is burning and itching. They could have a tummy ache and not be sure if they need to vomit or go potty. That last one I know well.

My younger girl, when she was a toddler, could never truly identify what was wrong. She'd say she was hungry, and then 5 minutes later throw up. She associated that feeling of sickness in her stomache of being hungry. She'd be crying and saying how she was so hungry and making a lot of noise, and then throw up and then cry some more. She still has some issues with her wiring, for instance, sometimes when she hurts herself she laughs... that's just her though, her sensory system isn't quite normal. But sometimes kids just cry and complain and it can definitely be from an underlying reason, something definitely more than just seeking attention.

That's just one of the hard parts of being a parent, knowing when your child needs aid... and when they just want you to get off the phone and to go get them a hot pocket.

:thumbs:

From what I know about child development, you cannot spoil a child by trying to make sure the child's needs are met. In fact, if a child is craving attention, they will sometimes act out with negative behavior just so Mommy or Daddy will pay attention to them, even if it is discipline.

If my child were to start crying and screaming out loud in a public place, and I knew they were just having a tantrum, I would still take them out of the store out of consideration for others. A tantrum usually is a sign that something else is wrong - past their nap time, past their normal time to eat. Children really need routine and cannot adjust the schedules to fit Mom or Dad's without causing them a lot of distress.

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I always feel like slapping others kids :whistle: How come nobody today knows how to raise their kids?

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I'm not a big fan of kids because they're loud, need attention, act crazy, ect. I think being around kids is ok in moderation, but I like the idea of giving them back to their parents when they start doing things like screaming in public and such. I've spent enough time around little kids to know that they usually shut up if you just ignore them, and I think that's why a lot of parents do nothing about it and ignore them even if they're really embarrassed by it because that's what works. I can't believe that guy smacked her. I'm sure the mother was in shock and wasn't really sure what to do because it was so bizarre.

I agree totally. I completely respect the feelings of others who choose not to have children or don't really enjoy children. And who can blame a stranger for being annoyed by a crying child, though they have to be realistic and accept that they did the same thing when they were children and their poor mothers had to deal with them. And you are absolutely right that often when you ignore crying, it stops. The reason for the crying is to get attention. If you starve the crying of attention, it stops, like a fire starved of oxygen. But, because I respect the feelings of others, I don't usually ignore the crying in public.

I'm surprised by that statement from someone who is a teacher because I thought all teachers had to take courses on child development? Where did you get that notion, that children only cry for attention?

Actually, as you always do, you are taking words out of context and applying meaning that is not intended. I never said the ONLY reason a child cries is to get attention. But, actually, the crying IS to get attention. What triggers the crying can be a number of things, but 99% of the time, the reason the response the child chooses is crying is because from the earliest stages of development, they learn that when they cry, they get attention. Did you take child development courses? I guess you missed that class.

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*** I'm surprised by that statement from someone who is a teacher because I thought all teachers had to take courses on child development? Where did you get that notion, that children only cry for attention? ****

I guess I ditto that. Sometimes children will "act out" to get attention and sometimes this is by throwing a temper tantrum. But, little kids who don't communicate well, it seems acting out might be their only way of communicating something is wrong. They could have a tooth coming in and it hurts and they have a fever. They could have a rash on their bottoms that is burning and itching. They could have a tummy ache and not be sure if they need to vomit or go potty. That last one I know well.

My younger girl, when she was a toddler, could never truly identify what was wrong. She'd say she was hungry, and then 5 minutes later throw up. She associated that feeling of sickness in her stomache of being hungry. She'd be crying and saying how she was so hungry and making a lot of noise, and then throw up and then cry some more. She still has some issues with her wiring, for instance, sometimes when she hurts herself she laughs... that's just her though, her sensory system isn't quite normal. But sometimes kids just cry and complain and it can definitely be from an underlying reason, something definitely more than just seeking attention.

That's just one of the hard parts of being a parent, knowing when your child needs aid... and when they just want you to get off the phone and to go get them a hot pocket.

Exactly. When a child cannot communicate in other ways, they use crying to communicate because it gets attention, and the parent has to give the child attention to determine if it is a legitimate issue or not. But when they get older, if they haven't fallen and hurt themselves, been slapped across the face by a stranger, have some sort of pain that goes beyond the norm, etc., then I think the attention-seeking behavior should be ignored. If this becomes a regular behavior, then probably the parent isn't giving the child enough attention on a regular basis.

*** I'm surprised by that statement from someone who is a teacher because I thought all teachers had to take courses on child development? Where did you get that notion, that children only cry for attention? ****

.

In fact, if a child is craving attention, they will sometimes act out with negative behavior just so Mommy or Daddy will pay attention to them, even if it is discipline.

There you go! You did learn something about child development.

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I'm not a big fan of kids because they're loud, need attention, act crazy, ect. I think being around kids is ok in moderation, but I like the idea of giving them back to their parents when they start doing things like screaming in public and such. I've spent enough time around little kids to know that they usually shut up if you just ignore them, and I think that's why a lot of parents do nothing about it and ignore them even if they're really embarrassed by it because that's what works. I can't believe that guy smacked her. I'm sure the mother was in shock and wasn't really sure what to do because it was so bizarre.

I agree totally. I completely respect the feelings of others who choose not to have children or don't really enjoy children. And who can blame a stranger for being annoyed by a crying child, though they have to be realistic and accept that they did the same thing when they were children and their poor mothers had to deal with them. And you are absolutely right that often when you ignore crying, it stops. The reason for the crying is to get attention. If you starve the crying of attention, it stops, like a fire starved of oxygen. But, because I respect the feelings of others, I don't usually ignore the crying in public.

How old is your child?

Oh never mind, I see - 2.

Do you really think all crying is just to get attention?

Basically, yes, if you remove the word "just" from your question. There is often, maybe usually, another motivating factor that triggers the crying. And I don't think the child shouldn't necessarily be given the attention. I was addressing the comment that "they usually shut up if you just ignore them, and I think that's why a lot of parents do nothing about it and ignore them even if they're really embarrassed by it because that's what works." In this context, where the child was a 2-year-old, crying in a public place, and there were some comments that were supportive, even though in humor, of the man who slapped the child, and comments about people being bad parents because their children cry, I was agreeing that it is often best to ignore the crying. At the same time, I was commenting that in a public place, I would probably not ignore it. I would react, probably by removing the child, if possible or if best, from the public place.

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Not all crying is to get attention. When babies and toddlers cry it can sometimes be from pain or from discomfort. Why would you not at least try to find out the reason for the crying before dismissing it as a case of trying to get attention? I have had my daughter do this very thing in public when she was very small. Most times I would leave rather than ignore her.

You do realise that a baby or toddler who cries for attention IS telling you something...right?

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Not all crying is to get attention. When babies and toddlers cry it can sometimes be from pain or from discomfort. Why would you not at least try to find out the reason for the crying before dismissing it as a case of trying to get attention? I have had my daughter do this very thing in public when she was very small. Most times I would leave rather than ignore her.

You do realise that a baby or toddler who cries for attention IS telling you something...right?

Exactly. You agree. Crying is attention-seeking. It is the only method an infant knows and it is its greatest method of survival. Because it works so well, toddlers and preschoolers, and even older children who have not learned it no longer works, continue to use it to get attention.

Did you read what I wrote? Please tell me where I said I would dismiss it before I determined the reason behind it? And "leave rather than ignore it" in public is EXACTLY what I was advocating. Please go back and read my post. If you still think I'm being unreasonable, then we can debate the issue.

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6/30/10 - Interview: 10:30 (Day 77) APPROVED!!!

6/30/10 - EAD received in the mail

7/19/10 - GC in hand! (Day 96) .

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As I went back and re-read your post I realise I misunderstood what you said. That happens...I think it was the "don't" and "shouldn't" in the same sentence. My sincerest apologies. Not having a good day today.

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