Dr. Tom Coburn tells the wife of a brain-injury victim to suck it up.

[zqt3344 21]

HAZA since you are such the good little socialist from Australia, I would not think that it woul bother you in the lest little bit to pay more taxes since you are quite used to that way of life in Australia? Gee, which way do you want it, make up your mind!

WE WANT FREE HEALTH CARE OR REFORM, THEN WE ALL NEED TO PAY MORE TAXES. IT IS THAT SIMPLE! SAD BUT TRUE. ONLY PROBLEM WITH REFORM IS THEY WANT TO TAX YOU AND THEN SCREW THE SYSTEM UP EVEN MORE RAISING COSTS AND OFFERING LESS CARE -OBAMA & DEMOCRATS!

SO WHY NOT BE DONE WITH IT AND EVERYONE PAY MORE TAXES AND GET FREE HEALTHCARE ONCE AND FOR ALL! OH and lets all go green to save the planet!

May the force be with you!

I am sure you have great coverage.

[Heracles 417]

HAZA since you are such the good little socialist from Australia, I would not think that it woul bother you in the lest little bit to pay more taxes since you are quite used to that way of life in Australia? Gee, which way do you want it, make up your mind!

Lets get one thing straight, I more conservative than 50 zqt's, linked in series. However, what I am not is some rodeo clown #### repub, like many here are. Now I am not saying all repubs are like this, many actually have an argument and some common sense. It just seems to be the ones who fit a certain stereotype are on here; that is, the ones who are are a few tools short of a toolbox

Edited August 29, 2009 by haza

[zqt3344 21]

I beg to differ, you are cracking up on us HaZA~

HAZA since you are such the good little socialist from Australia, I would not think that it woul bother you in the lest little bit to pay more taxes since you are quite used to that way of life in Australia? Gee, which way do you want it, make up your mind!

Lets get one thing straight, I more conservative than 50 zqt's, linked in series. However, what I am not is some rodeo clown #### repub, like many here are.

[Heracles 417]

I beg to differ, you are cracking up on us HaZA~

I agree with you guys on a some things. However, health care and guns are not one of them.

Definite difference between conservatives and politics in general here to that abroad. Even in the same party, we will disagree. Whereas, many here clearly toe the party line on any and every issues. Well, that's not me. On issue ABC I could agree with Dems, yet on DEF I could agree with repubs.

Edited August 29, 2009 by haza

[zqt3344 21]

Well now we are getting somewhere HaZa, you have to realize that Americans do tend to stick together and right or wrong stick it out, maybe that will help you understand things better here. And in your eyes that may be bad and so if it is, it is to you.

Only way there is going to be any healthcare for all in the USA and at free cost or low cost is if government runs a option and provides Dr and nurses and clinics and competes with insurance and private hospitals and clinics, only way to drive down the cost or lower it to free or low prices. No other way and that will cost, er well it is a hidden cost shall we say. And where does government get its income? You and I get our income from working a job, and the govt gets it's income from charging taxes that it then uses to pay for things and operate, thus it is simple anyone wanting socialized or free healthcare or low cost healthcare like the UK or Canada or whatever country that provides it to citizens is going to have to face up to the reality of higher taxes.

It is the truth, that is why Canada is so expensive to live in just like the UK or any other place like that. There is a price to pay.

I beg to differ, you are cracking up on us HaZA~

I agree with you guys on a some things. However, health care and guns are not one of them.

Definite difference between conservatives and politics in general here to that abroad. Even in the same party, we will disagree. Whereas, many here clearly toe the party line on any and every issues. Well, that's not me. On issue ABC I could agree with Dems, yet on DEF I could agree with repubs.

[Heracles 417]

Well now we are getting somewhere HaZa, you have to realize that Americans do tend to stick together and right or wrong stick it out, maybe that will help you understand things better here. And in your eyes that may be bad and so if it is, it is to you.

Only way there is going to be any healthcare for all in the USA and at free cost or low cost is if government runs a option and provides Dr and nurses and clinics and competes with insurance and private hospitals and clinics, only way to drive down the cost or lower it to free or low prices. No other way and that will cost, er well it is a hidden cost shall we say. And where does government get its income? You and I get our income from working a job, and the govt gets it's income from charging taxes that it then uses to pay for things and operate, thus it is simple anyone wanting socialized or free healthcare or low cost healthcare like the UK or Canada or whatever country that provides it to citizens is going to have to face up to the reality of higher taxes.

It is the truth, that is why Canada is so expensive to live in just like the UK or any other place like that. There is a price to pay.

Here we go, this is the zqt I knew from a while back; discussion.

They key difference of NHS to Obama's plan is that he does not want to run hospitals etc. All he wants is a federal single payer option. Which means, allowing the federal government to tender and buy a policy, using their huge buying power, to cover those not covered. It will basically be a HMO anyway. it's not going to be some sort of platinum Rolls Royce service.

Same way if I came to your dealership and said I want one car, you would give me x price. Now imagine I said I want 100,000 of these cars. You're not going to offer it for the same price, either would the manufacturer. I'll get a bulk buy discount. Same principal with his plan.

I cannot explain funding as I have not looked into it myself. I sure the government will work this out

Edited August 29, 2009 by haza

[zqt3344 21]

Good points and true, thus what is in it for me Obama? Why should I and any others pay more taxes to insure others without insurance and still be stuck with same old insurance. Also who is going to make out like a one armed bandit in Vegas here? The insurance companies look at all the new business they will get on this single pay option, which still does not solve the problem the things that drive up the cost of insurance. So what if they get a bulk discount, how much $100 or $200 a month or what, that is something govt is not telling anyone. No answers. The single payer fix it like a freaking band aide! Nothing more than smoke and mirrors by Obama and the Dems, and yet they call it health care reform, more like payback to my big insurance campaign donors!

Well now we are getting somewhere HaZa, you have to realize that Americans do tend to stick together and right or wrong stick it out, maybe that will help you understand things better here. And in your eyes that may be bad and so if it is, it is to you.

Only way there is going to be any healthcare for all in the USA and at free cost or low cost is if government runs a option and provides Dr and nurses and clinics and competes with insurance and private hospitals and clinics, only way to drive down the cost or lower it to free or low prices. No other way and that will cost, er well it is a hidden cost shall we say. And where does government get its income? You and I get our income from working a job, and the govt gets it's income from charging taxes that it then uses to pay for things and operate, thus it is simple anyone wanting socialized or free healthcare or low cost healthcare like the UK or Canada or whatever country that provides it to citizens is going to have to face up to the reality of higher taxes.

It is the truth, that is why Canada is so expensive to live in just like the UK or any other place like that. There is a price to pay.

Here we go, this is the zqt I knew from a while back; discussion.

They key difference of NHS to Obama's plan is that he does not want to run hospitals etc. All he wants is a federal single payer option. Which means, allowing the federal government to tender and buy a policy, using their huge buying power, to cover those not covered. It will basically be a HMO anyway. it's not going to be some sort of platinum Rolls Royce service.

Same way if I came to your dealership and said I want one car, you would give me x price. Now imagine I said I want 100,000 of these cars. You're not going to offer it for the same price, either would the manufacturer. I'll get a bulk buy discount. Same principal with his plan.

I cannot explain funding as I have not looked into it myself. I sure the government will work this out

[Heracles 417]

Good points and true, thus what is in it for me Obama? Why should I and any others pay more taxes to insure others without insurance and still be stuck with same old insurance. Also who is going to make out like a one armed bandit in Vegas here? The insurance companies look at all the new business they will get on this single pay option, which still does not solve the problem the things that drive up the cost of insurance. So what if they get a bulk discount, how much $100 or $200 a month or what, that is something govt is not telling anyone. No answers. The single payer fix it like a freaking band aide! Nothing more than smoke and mirrors by Obama and the Dems, and yet they call it health care reform, more like payback to my big insurance campaign donors!

They're going to get a HMO equivalent. The US government couldn't afford to pay PPO, so don,t even worry about them receiving anywhere close to platinum coverage. Personally, I do not have a problem paying additional yet reasonable taxes, if the coverage is there as a safety net. Anyone of us could lose a job. So why take the risk and end up bankrupt because of a simple operation; that the insurance company tells you after the procedure, they don't cover it.

Well the insurance companies have been ripping off Americans for years, about time they no longer has this avenue of profit to take. If it's not you today, it maybe you tomorrow. How are you going to feel if something happens to you and then they pull a well we don't cover xyz because of this clause? Better yet, after that you lose your job. How will you be covered? Even better than that, you get a new job elsewhere and they're like sorry we don't cover that pre-existing condition.

Also, does it not say something to you that even though I have the highest anthem policy, if I came done with something serious, I would be on the next flight back to AUS; to be treated. I cannot risk losing my wealth to be treated here. It happened to a cousins cousin here, who basically lost $300k because of trouble with their insurance. All it takes is one operation, that they conveniently inform me after the procedure, that they refuse to cover and that could put me $100k+ out of pocket. That worries me much more than the dems or Obama. At least the Dems hearts are in the right places on this one.

Edited August 29, 2009 by haza

[Pooky 3,795]

Well now we are getting somewhere HaZa, you have to realize that Americans do tend to stick together and right or wrong stick it out, maybe that will help you understand things better here. And in your eyes that may be bad and so if it is, it is to you.

Only way there is going to be any healthcare for all in the USA and at free cost or low cost is if government runs a option and provides Dr and nurses and clinics and competes with insurance and private hospitals and clinics, only way to drive down the cost or lower it to free or low prices. No other way and that will cost, er well it is a hidden cost shall we say. And where does government get its income? You and I get our income from working a job, and the govt gets it's income from charging taxes that it then uses to pay for things and operate, thus it is simple anyone wanting socialized or free healthcare or low cost healthcare like the UK or Canada or whatever country that provides it to citizens is going to have to face up to the reality of higher taxes.

It is the truth, that is why Canada is so expensive to live in just like the UK or any other place like that. There is a price to pay.

I beg to differ, you are cracking up on us HaZA~

I agree with you guys on a some things. However, health care and guns are not one of them.

Definite difference between conservatives and politics in general here to that abroad. Even in the same party, we will disagree. Whereas, many here clearly toe the party line on any and every issues. Well, that's not me. On issue ABC I could agree with Dems, yet on DEF I could agree with repubs.

Wow, intelligent discourse arrives at 02:37 am in O.T.

I'm with Haza on the "square peg, round hole" syndrome. Neither main party here has a lock on policies that I support and both have significant downsides to where they stand. Worse still, the big "characters" in each party tend to be figures I dislike, rather than the other way around.

The worst part of this is that I agree with an Aussie.

How 'bout dem Ashes?

[zqt3344 21]

If anything insurance companies need laws or regs that are strict enough to stop this loophole out for them not to pay on a claim. Reform in an instant.

Also it is not health insurance ripping off people that drives up the cost, it is other cost drivers that make those insurance companies react to the cost or price of things and charge accordingly, and we have to remember they are a private business and are going to try to make some profit. No way around that one, they cannot do it for free.

Good points and true, thus what is in it for me Obama? Why should I and any others pay more taxes to insure others without insurance and still be stuck with same old insurance. Also who is going to make out like a one armed bandit in Vegas here? The insurance companies look at all the new business they will get on this single pay option, which still does not solve the problem the things that drive up the cost of insurance. So what if they get a bulk discount, how much $100 or $200 a month or what, that is something govt is not telling anyone. No answers. The single payer fix it like a freaking band aide! Nothing more than smoke and mirrors by Obama and the Dems, and yet they call it health care reform, more like payback to my big insurance campaign donors!

They're going to get a HMO equivalent. The US government couldn't afford to pay PPO, so don,t even worry about them receiving anywhere close to platinum coverage. Personally, I do not have a problem paying additional yet reasonable taxes, if the coverage is there as a safety net. Anyone of us could lose a job. So why take the risk and end up bankrupt because of a simple operation; that the insurance company tells you after the procedure, they don't cover it.

Well the insurance companies have been ripping off Americans for years, about time they no longer has this avenue of profit to take. If it's not you today, it maybe you tomorrow. How are you going to feel if something happens to you and then they pull a well we don't cover xyz because of this clause? Better yet, after that you lose your job. How will you be covered? Even better than that, you get a new job elsewhere and they're like sorry we don't cover that pre-existing condition.

Also, does it not say something to you that even though I have the highest anthem policy, if I came done with something serious, I would be on the next flight back to AUS; to be treated. I cannot risk losing my wealth to be treated here. It happened to a cousins cousin here, who basically lost $300k because of trouble with their insurance. All it takes is one operation, that they conveniently inform me after the procedure, that they refuse to cover and that could put me $100k+ out of pocket. That worries me much more than the dems or Obama. At least the Dems hearts are in the right places on this one.

[rebeccajo 14]

Why should any part of health care be 'for profit'?

If anything insurance companies need laws or regs that are strict enough to stop this loophole out for them not to pay on a claim. Reform in an instant.

Also it is not health insurance ripping off people that drives up the cost, it is other cost drivers that make those insurance companies react to the cost or price of things and charge accordingly, and we have to remember they are a private business and are going to try to make some profit. No way around that one, they cannot do it for free.

Good points and true, thus what is in it for me Obama? Why should I and any others pay more taxes to insure others without insurance and still be stuck with same old insurance. Also who is going to make out like a one armed bandit in Vegas here? The insurance companies look at all the new business they will get on this single pay option, which still does not solve the problem the things that drive up the cost of insurance. So what if they get a bulk discount, how much $100 or $200 a month or what, that is something govt is not telling anyone. No answers. The single payer fix it like a freaking band aide! Nothing more than smoke and mirrors by Obama and the Dems, and yet they call it health care reform, more like payback to my big insurance campaign donors!

They're going to get a HMO equivalent. The US government couldn't afford to pay PPO, so don,t even worry about them receiving anywhere close to platinum coverage. Personally, I do not have a problem paying additional yet reasonable taxes, if the coverage is there as a safety net. Anyone of us could lose a job. So why take the risk and end up bankrupt because of a simple operation; that the insurance company tells you after the procedure, they don't cover it.

Well the insurance companies have been ripping off Americans for years, about time they no longer has this avenue of profit to take. If it's not you today, it maybe you tomorrow. How are you going to feel if something happens to you and then they pull a well we don't cover xyz because of this clause? Better yet, after that you lose your job. How will you be covered? Even better than that, you get a new job elsewhere and they're like sorry we don't cover that pre-existing condition.

Also, does it not say something to you that even though I have the highest anthem policy, if I came done with something serious, I would be on the next flight back to AUS; to be treated. I cannot risk losing my wealth to be treated here. It happened to a cousins cousin here, who basically lost $300k because of trouble with their insurance. All it takes is one operation, that they conveniently inform me after the procedure, that they refuse to cover and that could put me $100k+ out of pocket. That worries me much more than the dems or Obama. At least the Dems hearts are in the right places on this one.

[Tahoma 2,292]

I wish some of the likes of you could sit and do my job all day long.

I am a 'gatekeeper' for a health care facility. I take your insurance information. I call your company. I find out what your coverage is - or is not. I call you up. I tell you what will be covered and what will not. You make a decision.

If you could see the HUGE disparities in coverage - you would be nauseous. And it goes WAY beyond 100% coverage or 90/10 or 80/20. I see no deductibles; $250 deductibles; $1500 dedutibles; $6000 deductibles. I see out-of-pocket expenses as high as $10000. I see visit limits. I see restrictions as to the diagnosis code. I see pre-existing periods. I see PER DAY limits as to what a company will pay for a certain service. I see TOTAL CASH payouts a company will pay for a single diagnosis. I see annual maximums and lifetime maximums. I see no coverage at all for certain types of services. The list goes on and on.

I wonder as I work all day long what these people are paying as their contribution of the premium. I hear the cracking in their voice as they decline service. I file their paperwork away in an expandable folder in my desk drawer in case they change their mind. They don't. After the folder gets too heavy for me to lift, I take the paperwork to Medical Records where they retain it for a year or so. Eventually it gets destroyed.

Some evenings I come home from work with my heart so heavy.

To those of you who would call this system "capitalism" and a fine example of competition in America - I have nothing but loathing for your opinion. This is serfdom and servitude - these people are prisoners of the policies selected by their employers. This is a horror inflicted upon the American people.

How any of you can wash your hands of the uninsured and under-insured is sickening to me.

I agree. Thank you for your posting, Rebeccajo.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Good points and true, thus what is in it for me Obama? Why should I and any others pay more taxes to insure others without insurance and still be stuck with same old insurance. Also who is going to make out like a one armed bandit in Vegas here? The insurance companies look at all the new business they will get on this single pay option, which still does not solve the problem the things that drive up the cost of insurance. So what if they get a bulk discount, how much $100 or $200 a month or what, that is something govt is not telling anyone. No answers. The single payer fix it like a freaking band aide! Nothing more than smoke and mirrors by Obama and the Dems, and yet they call it health care reform, more like payback to my big insurance campaign donors!

Well now we are getting somewhere HaZa, you have to realize that Americans do tend to stick together and right or wrong stick it out, maybe that will help you understand things better here. And in your eyes that may be bad and so if it is, it is to you.

Only way there is going to be any healthcare for all in the USA and at free cost or low cost is if government runs a option and provides Dr and nurses and clinics and competes with insurance and private hospitals and clinics, only way to drive down the cost or lower it to free or low prices. No other way and that will cost, er well it is a hidden cost shall we say. And where does government get its income? You and I get our income from working a job, and the govt gets it's income from charging taxes that it then uses to pay for things and operate, thus it is simple anyone wanting socialized or free healthcare or low cost healthcare like the UK or Canada or whatever country that provides it to citizens is going to have to face up to the reality of higher taxes.

It is the truth, that is why Canada is so expensive to live in just like the UK or any other place like that. There is a price to pay.

Here we go, this is the zqt I knew from a while back; discussion.

They key difference of NHS to Obama's plan is that he does not want to run hospitals etc. All he wants is a federal single payer option. Which means, allowing the federal government to tender and buy a policy, using their huge buying power, to cover those not covered. It will basically be a HMO anyway. it's not going to be some sort of platinum Rolls Royce service.

Same way if I came to your dealership and said I want one car, you would give me x price. Now imagine I said I want 100,000 of these cars. You're not going to offer it for the same price, either would the manufacturer. I'll get a bulk buy discount. Same principal with his plan.

I cannot explain funding as I have not looked into it myself. I sure the government will work this out

You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Read, and learn:

http://www.healthcare-now.org/hr-676/

Edited August 29, 2009 by Mister_Bill

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Well now we are getting somewhere HaZa, you have to realize that Americans do tend to stick together and right or wrong stick it out, maybe that will help you understand things better here. And in your eyes that may be bad and so if it is, it is to you.

Only way there is going to be any healthcare for all in the USA and at free cost or low cost is if government runs a option and provides Dr and nurses and clinics and competes with insurance and private hospitals and clinics, only way to drive down the cost or lower it to free or low prices. No other way and that will cost, er well it is a hidden cost shall we say. And where does government get its income? You and I get our income from working a job, and the govt gets it's income from charging taxes that it then uses to pay for things and operate, thus it is simple anyone wanting socialized or free healthcare or low cost healthcare like the UK or Canada or whatever country that provides it to citizens is going to have to face up to the reality of higher taxes.

It is the truth, that is why Canada is so expensive to live in just like the UK or any other place like that. There is a price to pay.

I beg to differ, you are cracking up on us HaZA~

I agree with you guys on a some things. However, health care and guns are not one of them.

Definite difference between conservatives and politics in general here to that abroad. Even in the same party, we will disagree. Whereas, many here clearly toe the party line on any and every issues. Well, that's not me. On issue ABC I could agree with Dems, yet on DEF I could agree with repubs.

Wow, intelligent discourse arrives at 02:37 am in O.T.

I'm with Haza on the "square peg, round hole" syndrome. Neither main party here has a lock on policies that I support and both have significant downsides to where they stand. Worse still, the big "characters" in each party tend to be figures I dislike, rather than the other way around.

The worst part of this is that I agree with an Aussie.

How 'bout dem Ashes?

I think BY has a dual personality.

Why should any part of health care be 'for profit'?