Just had investigators at my door!

[Ellie-and-David 38]

They are welcome to come and rummage through our dirty laundry.....and if they want they can put a laundry load of his sweaty work clothes on....

I've seen a few visits crop up on VJ over the last few weeks. Considering that we as members of this forum represent a small percentage on the number of immigrant visa's being issued, makes this seem like a visit isn't as unusual as one would think.

Eeeeeeeeek. I better tidy my house ;-)

[TBoneTX 46,276]

if they were in need of search warrant, they would get it before coming to your house

No. They are hoping for (and banking on) consensual entry that is granted by Constitutionally ignorant members of the public... or those who are so eager to "cooperate" that they forget that the State is always (always) after bodies.

They usually don't bring that because they know you can't deny their entry into the house

This is 100% wrong. The shell that remains of the Fourth Amendment says otherwise. Please study some basic civics before making incorrect statements. Heed what Lancer says.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

It does seem to be a trend... thats 3 this month I think. I don't think anyone mentioned these at all in the last year.

[Linkin 0]

I imagine them as one serious trouble not from local office but head office, how they get trained and how to deal with the situation in a matter of minutes, they are pretty expert and I have read that. Going through with the laundry, is one common way to search and measure the bonafide relationship, but if someone claims that they messed up with everything, thats not true.

I dont understand onething, and If anyone from you put the light on it. Why would u deny entry of ICE or USCIS ppl...Why one would say, hey show me the warrant then get in, Why you would go further ahead with the situation when you can settle it down by let them enter into your house. I can tell you, treating them like your guest and cooperating in anyway they want would be more beneficial in your case.

PPl should cooperate with law especially with Immi laws rather than saying NO in anyways

I think your imagining that they are the men in suits at your local office. They are not. They are have been trained for a wide range of criminal activity from smuggling to counterfeiting etc. Yes they can get a warrant later but then you have a lawyer present then as well.

What can they honestly report back if you do not let them in "I was not allowed access".

You should also check this poster's other thread as I did just now. They went through her dirty laundry!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Simple...it could be detrimental to your case, even if your relationship was bonafide. There is no law that says ICE must be allowed into your home warrantless.

Edited August 27, 2009 by lancer1655

[Linkin 0]

Its not anything to first go through with basics , but whoever thinks He's smaters than IMMi guys, he's in a dark side. Kindly go through with the statement I gave. "COOPERATE IN ANWAYS POSSIBLE" Saying "NO" wouldn't do anything but onemore visit may be with some extra IMMi fat guys. They don't tell you nor inform you in advance why they come, you never know what they did find out in your application,

A person who doesn't have anything to hide or worry, he will definitly let them IN

Kindly stop giving ppl wrong ideas to deal in the situation when IMMI guys come..

if they were in need of search warrant, they would get it before coming to your house

No. They are hoping for (and banking on) consensual entry that is granted by Constitutionally ignorant members of the public... or those who are so eager to "cooperate" that they forget that the State is always (always) after bodies.

They usually don't bring that because they know you can't deny their entry into the house

This is 100% wrong. The shell that remains of the Fourth Amendment says otherwise. Please study some basic civics before making incorrect statements. Heed what Lancer says.

[TBoneTX 46,276]

Why one would say, hey show me the warrant then get in, Why you would go further ahead with the situation when you can settle it down by let them enter into your house.

Read the Fourth & Fifth Amendments in the U.S. Bill of Rights. These (and all of the Ten Amendments) were written precisely to prevent an unfettered State from infringing upon the inalienable rights of the People.

I can tell you, treating them like your guest and cooperating in anyway they want would be more beneficial in your case.

Oh? Cite the exact numbers of people who have done this who enjoyed the "benefits" of having done so, versus those who now regret it deeply.

PPl should cooperate with law especially with Immi laws rather than saying NO in anyways

When Constitutional bounds are being overstepped? Attorneys of all disciplines say otherwise. The U.S. Bill of Rights says otherwise. How are you wiser than they about such matters? Edited August 27, 2009 by TBoneTX

[Linkin 0]

why dont you call a press conference and raise this point against ICE?

Sorry to say, but sittin' in front of computer and giving such statement is way easy than done in practical

Simple...it could be detrimental to your case, even if your relationship was bonafide. There is no law that says ICE must be allowed into your home warrantless.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Its not anything to first go through with basics , but whoever thinks He's smaters than IMMi guys, he's in a dark side. Kindly go through with the statement I gave. "COOPERATE IN ANWAYS POSSIBLE" Saying "NO" wouldn't do anything but onemore visit may be with some extra IMMi fat guys. They don't tell you nor inform you in advance why they come, you never know what they did find out in your application,

A person who doesn't have anything to hide or worry, he will definitly let them IN

Kindly stop giving ppl wrong ideas to deal in the situation when IMMI guys come..

That's precisely why you should not divulge information or allow them in without an attorney present.

Edited August 27, 2009 by lancer1655

[Linkin 0]

Sir I am not being wiser, but educating ppl to cooperate and cooperate. Pardon me, but you are the one claiming that you know A2Z.

Go easy with laws, it will make your life more easier, thats all I know and need to do.

I would be pleased to welcome those guys at my doorstep, if they ever come. Rather than giving them lessons of what's in the laws or not LOL.....

Why one would say, hey show me the warrant then get in, Why you would go further ahead with the situation when you can settle it down by let them enter into your house.

Read the Fourth & Fifth Amendments in the U.S. Bill of Rights. These (and all of the Ten Amendments) were written precisely to prevent an unfettered State from infringing upon the inalienable rights of the People.

I can tell you, treating them like your guest and cooperating in anyway they want would be more beneficial in your case.

Oh? Cite the exact numbers of people who have done this who enjoyed the "benefits" of having done so, versus those who now regret it deeply.

PPl should cooperate with law especially with Immi laws rather than saying NO in anyways

When Constitutional bounds are being overstepped? Attorneys of all disciplines say otherwise. The U.S. Bill of Rights says otherwise. How are you wiser than they about such matters?

[Linkin 0]

Raise your voice against ICE knocking without warrant on News...rather than tellin' ppl to take wrong steps

Its not anything to first go through with basics , but whoever thinks He's smaters than IMMi guys, he's in a dark side. Kindly go through with the statement I gave. "COOPERATE IN ANWAYS POSSIBLE" Saying "NO" wouldn't do anything but onemore visit may be with some extra IMMi fat guys. They don't tell you nor inform you in advance why they come, you never know what they did find out in your application,

A person who doesn't have anything to hide or worry, he will definitly let them IN

Kindly stop giving ppl wrong ideas to deal in the situation when IMMI guys come..

That's precisely why you should not divulge information or allow them in without an attorney present.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Listen I say this in order to protect those that might ruin there adjustments by misspeaking or having something laying around in the house that is innocent looking but causes them to jump to conclusions.

With an attorney present he can go over your house and verify its contents as well as speak for you so that you do not incriminate yourself.

Edited August 27, 2009 by lancer1655

[TBoneTX 46,276]

Sir I am not being wiser, but educating ppl to cooperate and cooperate.

You are advising people to surrender their Constitutional rights.

Pardon me, but you are the one claiming that you know A2Z.

Pardon me, but please look through all of my posts here and copy/paste the line that backs your assertion.

I conclude that you are offering actual or quasi-legal advice that could be very perilous if others were to follow it. Lancer remains entirely correct regarding the prudent way to handle the situation, and with a long-term view.

[Linkin 0]

Sir, how would one ruin his/her adjustments by missspeaking if he's not on fault, only those who aren't keeping true relationship would digg and might say TALK TO MY LAWYER...Honestly speaking, You won't need a lawyer to hit the ball if you can hit them hard. Most of the PPl in here even in real life would agree with the statement that "Allowing laws to work with full cooperation will make any case as clear as you would want to.

I am not being wiser first of all but again "asking everyone to act normal in this situation by let them come in. What's a big deal in it and why we want to make a fuss to argue on anything

Listen I say this in order to protect those that might ruin there adjustments by misspeaking or having something laying around in the house that is innocent looking but causes them to jump to conclusions.

With an attorney present he can go over your house and verify its contents as well as speak for you so that you do not incriminate yourself.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

They either find something that looks like your relationship is a fraud or that you are doing something in violation of your status.