Can the Obama Presidency be saved?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So, it's all about the extreme dream team for you? No picking and choosing the best ideas, no matter where they come from?

That's how you frame it - Obama's agenda that won the election vs. the ideas of the Right...as polar opposites? Interesting. The election results must mean then the country has turn far left?

As for ideas from the Right, bro ....Obama reached out to the Republicans over health care reform and so far, they've come up zero on any ideas of their own...at least that the leaders of the party (Boehner, Kyl) will champion.

Where have you been?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My prediction is that if Obama isn't reelected the left will blame the right for sabotaging him & we'll be right back in the same mess we had with Bush. At some point the left & right need to put the needs of the nation above their own selfish desire to screw the other party. If they don't it will become an endless cycle of gotcha politics.

Dirty politics aside - if Obama fails as President, that failure will rest on his shoulders and his Administration's primarily. Congress plays a big part of the picture as well and unless we see some of these blue dogs get replaced in the midterm elections, a lot of the agenda that Obama pitched to get himself elected will not see the light of day. Unfortunately, that's exactly what his opponents want to see. Good sportsmanship would be to let him pushed forward his agenda and then if that fails, the Right can say I told you so. But many on the Right don't want to even give that agenda a chance. And the reason why - is because they know if meaningful healthcare reform passes, particularly with a public option, it will be tremendously popular with the American people the way Social Security and Medicare are. That's the real ball game here.

Edited August 26, 2009 by Col. 'Bat' Guano

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So, it's all about the extreme dream team for you? No picking and choosing the best ideas, no matter where they come from?

That's how you frame it - Obama's agenda that won the election vs. the ideas of the Right...as polar opposites? Interesting. The election results must mean then the country has turn far left?

As for ideas from the Right, bro ....Obama reached out to the Republicans over health care reform and so far, they've come up zero on any ideas of their own...at least that the leaders of the party (Boehner, Kyl) will champion.

Where have you been?

Not reading Salon and the Washington Post Monthly.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So, it's all about the extreme dream team for you? No picking and choosing the best ideas, no matter where they come from?

That's how you frame it - Obama's agenda that won the election vs. the ideas of the Right...as polar opposites? Interesting. The election results must mean then the country has turn far left?

As for ideas from the Right, bro ....Obama reached out to the Republicans over health care reform and so far, they've come up zero on any ideas of their own...at least that the leaders of the party (Boehner, Kyl) will champion.

Where have you been?

Not reading Salon and the Washington Post Monthly.

...but reading the Spectator and National Review. Gotcha. A chip off the ol' block I imagine.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Obama was elected because he's Black, new and not Bush. There's not much new in the people reacting to one party's disappointing performance by electing the other party. It happened with Clinton after Bush I, Reagan after Carter, and Carter after Nixon/Ford. The same is bound to happen with Barry since the people are starting to see what a fraud he is.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

My prediction is that if Obama isn't reelected the left will blame the right for sabotaging him & we'll be right back in the same mess we had with Bush. At some point the left & right need to put the needs of the nation above their own selfish desire to screw the other party. If they don't it will become an endless cycle of gotcha politics.

Dirty politics aside - if Obama fails as President, that failure will rest on his shoulders and his Administration's primarily. Congress plays a big part of the picture as well and unless we see some of these blue dogs get replaced in the midterm elections, a lot of the agenda that Obama pitched to get himself elected will not see the light of day. Unfortunately, that's exactly what his opponents want to see. Good sportsmanship would be to let him pushed forward his agenda and then if that fails, the Right can say I told you so. But many on the Right don't want to even give that agenda a chance. And the reason why - is because they know if meaningful healthcare reform passes, particularly with a public option, it will be tremendously popular with the American people the way Social Security and Medicare are. That's the real ball game here.

kinda like it's so popular right now with the american people?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Obama was elected because he's Black, new and not Bush. There's not much new in the people reacting to one party's disappointing performance by electing the other party. It happened with Clinton after Bush I, Reagan after Carter, and Carter after Nixon/Ford. The same is bound to happen with Barry since the people are starting to see what a fraud he is.

Of course. The American voters have never wanted a dirty Democrat in the White House with their dirty, socialist agenda. The only way a Democrat makes it to the WH is because they've bamboozled the public. American are dye-in-the-wool Right Wingers who don't want Social Security or Medicare. They just want the Federal Gov't to get the hell off their yard!

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So, it's all about the extreme dream team for you? No picking and choosing the best ideas, no matter where they come from?

That's how you frame it - Obama's agenda that won the election vs. the ideas of the Right...as polar opposites? Interesting. The election results must mean then the country has turn far left?

As for ideas from the Right, bro ....Obama reached out to the Republicans over health care reform and so far, they've come up zero on any ideas of their own...at least that the leaders of the party (Boehner, Kyl) will champion.

Where have you been?

Not reading Salon and the Washington Post Monthly.

...but reading the Spectator and National Review. Gotcha. A chip off the ol' block I imagine.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My prediction is that if Obama isn't reelected the left will blame the right for sabotaging him & we'll be right back in the same mess we had with Bush. At some point the left & right need to put the needs of the nation above their own selfish desire to screw the other party. If they don't it will become an endless cycle of gotcha politics.

Dirty politics aside - if Obama fails as President, that failure will rest on his shoulders and his Administration's primarily. Congress plays a big part of the picture as well and unless we see some of these blue dogs get replaced in the midterm elections, a lot of the agenda that Obama pitched to get himself elected will not see the light of day. Unfortunately, that's exactly what his opponents want to see. Good sportsmanship would be to let him pushed forward his agenda and then if that fails, the Right can say I told you so. But many on the Right don't want to even give that agenda a chance. And the reason why - is because they know if meaningful healthcare reform passes, particularly with a public option, it will be tremendously popular with the American people the way Social Security and Medicare are. That's the real ball game here.

kinda like it's so popular right now with the american people?

Why do you think the Republicans are trying to scare granny's that Obama wants to take away her Medicare? Because they know it is a sacred cow. Now Republican in Congress dares to publicly call for the end of those programs.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My prediction is that if Obama isn't reelected the left will blame the right for sabotaging him & we'll be right back in the same mess we had with Bush. At some point the left & right need to put the needs of the nation above their own selfish desire to screw the other party. If they don't it will become an endless cycle of gotcha politics.

Dirty politics aside - if Obama fails as President, that failure will rest on his shoulders and his Administration's primarily. Congress plays a big part of the picture as well and unless we see some of these blue dogs get replaced in the midterm elections, a lot of the agenda that Obama pitched to get himself elected will not see the light of day. Unfortunately, that's exactly what his opponents want to see. Good sportsmanship would be to let him pushed forward his agenda and then if that fails, the Right can say I told you so. But many on the Right don't want to even give that agenda a chance. And the reason why - is because they know if meaningful healthcare reform passes, particularly with a public option, it will be tremendously popular with the American people the way Social Security and Medicare are. That's the real ball game here.

kinda like it's so popular right now with the american people?

Why do you think the Republicans are trying to scare grannies that Obama wants to take away her Medicare? Because they know it is a sacred cow. No Republican in Congress dares to publicly call for the end of those programs.

edited.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

My prediction is that if Obama isn't reelected the left will blame the right for sabotaging him & we'll be right back in the same mess we had with Bush. At some point the left & right need to put the needs of the nation above their own selfish desire to screw the other party. If they don't it will become an endless cycle of gotcha politics.

Dirty politics aside - if Obama fails as President, that failure will rest on his shoulders and his Administration's primarily. Congress plays a big part of the picture as well and unless we see some of these blue dogs get replaced in the midterm elections, a lot of the agenda that Obama pitched to get himself elected will not see the light of day. Unfortunately, that's exactly what his opponents want to see. Good sportsmanship would be to let him pushed forward his agenda and then if that fails, the Right can say I told you so. But many on the Right don't want to even give that agenda a chance. And the reason why - is because they know if meaningful healthcare reform passes, particularly with a public option, it will be tremendously popular with the American people the way Social Security and Medicare are. That's the real ball game here.

kinda like it's so popular right now with the american people?

Why do you think the Republicans are trying to scare grannies that Obama wants to take away her Medicare? Because they know it is a sacred cow. No Republican in Congress dares to publicly call for the end of those programs.

edited.

and it apparently makes you double post too!

[nowhereman 1]

Obama was elected because he's Black, new and not Bush. There's not much new in the people reacting to one party's disappointing performance by electing the other party. It happened with Clinton after Bush I, Reagan after Carter, and Carter after Nixon/Ford. The same is bound to happen with Barry since the people are starting to see what a fraud he is.

You're missing the point. The country is more polarized now that it has been in my adult lifetime, which dates back to Reagan. It is way beyond the point of getting your guy into office... more & more it's about screwing the other party just because it's the other party. I have friends (both Democrat & Republican) who work in the public sector & every single one tells me that things are different these days. They all tell me back in the 90's they would fight like cats & dogs at work and then go have a beer together afterwards... now you rarely see that.

I'm not saying the Democrats & Republicans need to hold hands & sing kumbaya, but they do need to put their petty differences aside & make an honest effort to find bi-partisan solutions to the problems we face.

[Peikko 1,575]

The Scottish Justice minister is supposed to make sure that the law is applied fairly and equitably; I'd like to know how many Scottish mass murderers have been released so soon for a merciful reasons ( terminal illness) per Scottish law.

*going to take a look*

edit-releasing this murderer -whilst legal-is an affront to all those who lost their lives and their families.

I found an answer on NPR of all places....

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=112177895

in the last 10 years since the Scottish parliament has being devolved there have been 31 applications for release on compassionate grounds, 24 of them have been freed and the seven that weren't freed, it was because the Scottish prison system didn't think that there was medical evidence that they had terminal illnesses.

what's wrong with NPR?

Nothing! Sorry, I should have elaborated...I spent a good bit of time on the Scottish Prisons official website, Scottish law websites...etc etc...and found it on good ol' NPR.

..Better?

I guess that really IS the way they deal with terminally ill offenders-but it's still reprehensible that he got to go home and to a heros welcome.....to make it worse whatshisface from Libya is coming over here soon! ack!

It is reprehensible and disgusting, yet ut imagine... if its almost mission impossible to get people to understand scientific things in this country that directly impact them- how are we to expect to influence the mental state of citizens of other nations that *have* somewhat of an antagonistic history with us.

As for Ghaddafi's visit to the US... well... that's called diplomacy.

Maybe we won't need to be antagonistic in the future.

true, HAL... and MC sorry for snapping at your ankles...

No need to apologize at all. I was not personally affected by the tragedy but I do know that it was a horrific tragedy and anyone with relatives/freinds who were lost that day it must continue to be difficult to make any sense of. The release of the only person charged with that atrocity is necessarily harrowing in those terms.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Obama was elected because he's Black, new and not Bush. There's not much new in the people reacting to one party's disappointing performance by electing the other party. It happened with Clinton after Bush I, Reagan after Carter, and Carter after Nixon/Ford. The same is bound to happen with Barry since the people are starting to see what a fraud he is.

You're missing the point. The country is more polarized now that it has been in my adult lifetime, which dates back to Reagan. It is way beyond the point of getting your guy into office... more & more it's about screwing the other party just because it's the other party. I have friends (both Democrat & Republican) who work in the public sector & every single one tells me that things are different these days. They all tell me back in the 90's they would fight like cats & dogs at work and then go have a beer together afterwards... now you rarely see that.

I'm not saying the Democrats & Republicans need to hold hands & sing kumbaya, but they do need to put their petty differences aside & make an honest effort to find bi-partisan solutions to the problems we face.

There was a time, the time before Reagan, when elections were met with violent protests. Perhaps, "Morning in America" has ended, and it's time to get back to work.

[nowhereman 1]

Obama was elected because he's Black, new and not Bush. There's not much new in the people reacting to one party's disappointing performance by electing the other party. It happened with Clinton after Bush I, Reagan after Carter, and Carter after Nixon/Ford. The same is bound to happen with Barry since the people are starting to see what a fraud he is.

You're missing the point. The country is more polarized now that it has been in my adult lifetime, which dates back to Reagan. It is way beyond the point of getting your guy into office... more & more it's about screwing the other party just because it's the other party. I have friends (both Democrat & Republican) who work in the public sector & every single one tells me that things are different these days. They all tell me back in the 90's they would fight like cats & dogs at work and then go have a beer together afterwards... now you rarely see that.

I'm not saying the Democrats & Republicans need to hold hands & sing kumbaya, but they do need to put their petty differences aside & make an honest effort to find bi-partisan solutions to the problems we face.

There was a time, the time before Reagan, when elections were met with violent protests. Perhaps, "Morning in America" has ended, and it's time to get back to work.

Of course I know that... the Vietnam era, race riots, etc. We all know the saying "if you don't learn from history you're doomed to repeat it". As for violent protests we aren't far from it & if the rhetoric gets any worse we're bound to see it.

Edited August 26, 2009 by nowhereman