Sarah and the Death Panels

[Peikko 1,575]

Right.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I see none of you read the workbook. Yeah this is planning eg: they define if cpr is worth it. Looks like here they are tying to convince you to go for a no code.

What are the good points

of getting CPR?

If you are in relatively good health

when you need CPR, it can return

you to roughly the same state you

were in when your heart stopped.

For people with some types of heart

disease, CPR can restore an irregular

heart beat. Pain or discomfort is

not an issue while you receive CPR

because you are not conscious

during the process.

What are the bad points

of getting CPR?

After CPR, however, you could have

a sore chest or broken ribs because

of the electrical shocks and vigorous

massage. In addition, the chest

compressions could result in a

collapsed lung, which would require

additional treatment. Most people

who need CPR need a mechanical

ventilator to support their breathing

afterwards.

The success rate for CPR depends

on many things: your overall health

when you need it, where you get

it (in the community or in the hospital),

your age, and how quickly it

starts after your heart stops beating.

If you are under age 65, the success

rate ranges between 25-40%. If you

are over age 65, this rate drops to

between 1-4%. CPR is rarely successful

if you already have a chronic

illness that affects your vital organs,

such as your heart, lungs, liver, or

kidneys. Less than ten out of 100

hospitalized patients respond to CPR

by returning to the state they were

in before their heart stopped. Of

those who survive, many continue to

live, but in a weaker state or with

significant brain damage because

blood could not get to their brain in

time. CPR could keep you from

dying, but you might live in a coma

or be unable to think clearly.

This is something you would consider when writing a living will. Surely its better to have all the information to make an informed decision.

Leaving this stuff to chance is scary - and leaving all the decision making to relatives who are under extreme stress.

Sheeeesh........... Hell of a lot better than leaving it to goverment bueracrats. Which is what this is about

It is currently (and likely will always be left to bureaucrats), that's what the people pushing these silly arguments don't get.

Living wills are not legally binding and are already overruled under various State Laws that allow hospital officials to make these decisions on your behalf, regardless of your own wishes or those of your next of kin.

It's a complete red herring!

Poppycock!

What is?

[Peikko 1,575]

I see none of you read the workbook. Yeah this is planning eg: they define if cpr is worth it. Looks like here they are tying to convince you to go for a no code.

What are the good points

of getting CPR?

If you are in relatively good health

when you need CPR, it can return

you to roughly the same state you

were in when your heart stopped.

For people with some types of heart

disease, CPR can restore an irregular

heart beat. Pain or discomfort is

not an issue while you receive CPR

because you are not conscious

during the process.

What are the bad points

of getting CPR?

After CPR, however, you could have

a sore chest or broken ribs because

of the electrical shocks and vigorous

massage. In addition, the chest

compressions could result in a

collapsed lung, which would require

additional treatment. Most people

who need CPR need a mechanical

ventilator to support their breathing

afterwards.

The success rate for CPR depends

on many things: your overall health

when you need it, where you get

it (in the community or in the hospital),

your age, and how quickly it

starts after your heart stops beating.

If you are under age 65, the success

rate ranges between 25-40%. If you

are over age 65, this rate drops to

between 1-4%. CPR is rarely successful

if you already have a chronic

illness that affects your vital organs,

such as your heart, lungs, liver, or

kidneys. Less than ten out of 100

hospitalized patients respond to CPR

by returning to the state they were

in before their heart stopped. Of

those who survive, many continue to

live, but in a weaker state or with

significant brain damage because

blood could not get to their brain in

time. CPR could keep you from

dying, but you might live in a coma

or be unable to think clearly.

Try to remember marcy poo that this is not being directed towards healthy young people, but people who are at the end of life anyway - the old and the sick.

[My Name Is Nobody 3]

I see none of you read the workbook. Yeah this is planning eg: they define if cpr is worth it. Looks like here they are tying to convince you to go for a no code.

What are the good points

of getting CPR?

If you are in relatively good health

when you need CPR, it can return

you to roughly the same state you

were in when your heart stopped.

For people with some types of heart

disease, CPR can restore an irregular

heart beat. Pain or discomfort is

not an issue while you receive CPR

because you are not conscious

during the process.

What are the bad points

of getting CPR?

After CPR, however, you could have

a sore chest or broken ribs because

of the electrical shocks and vigorous

massage. In addition, the chest

compressions could result in a

collapsed lung, which would require

additional treatment. Most people

who need CPR need a mechanical

ventilator to support their breathing

afterwards.

The success rate for CPR depends

on many things: your overall health

when you need it, where you get

it (in the community or in the hospital),

your age, and how quickly it

starts after your heart stops beating.

If you are under age 65, the success

rate ranges between 25-40%. If you

are over age 65, this rate drops to

between 1-4%. CPR is rarely successful

if you already have a chronic

illness that affects your vital organs,

such as your heart, lungs, liver, or

kidneys. Less than ten out of 100

hospitalized patients respond to CPR

by returning to the state they were

in before their heart stopped. Of

those who survive, many continue to

live, but in a weaker state or with

significant brain damage because

blood could not get to their brain in

time. CPR could keep you from

dying, but you might live in a coma

or be unable to think clearly.

This is something you would consider when writing a living will. Surely its better to have all the information to make an informed decision.

Leaving this stuff to chance is scary - and leaving all the decision making to relatives who are under extreme stress.

Sheeeesh........... Hell of a lot better than leaving it to goverment bueracrats. Which is what this is about

It is currently (and likely will always be left to bureaucrats), that's what the people pushing these silly arguments don't get.

Living wills are not legally binding and are already overruled under various State Laws that allow hospital officials to make these decisions on your behalf, regardless of your own wishes or those of your next of kin.

It's a complete red herring!

Poppycock!

What is?

The red herring

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The red herring

How so?

These decisions currently *are* left to bureaucrats (its hard to see how that won't be the case under any system)

Living Wills are *not* legally binding and can be overridden by the aforementioned bureaucrats.

[My Name Is Nobody 3]

The red herring

How so?

These decisions currently *are* left to bureaucrats (its hard to see how that won't be the case under any system)

Living Wills are *not* legally binding and can be overridden by the aforementioned bureaucrats.

These decisions are made in a very small qauntities. Most of the time its under extoridnary circumstances. Last resort type of situations.

Under gov reform this could drastically change.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I see none of you read the workbook. Yeah this is planning eg: they define if cpr is worth it. Looks like here they are tying to convince you to go for a no code.

What are the good points

of getting CPR?

If you are in relatively good health

when you need CPR, it can return

you to roughly the same state you

were in when your heart stopped.

For people with some types of heart

disease, CPR can restore an irregular

heart beat. Pain or discomfort is

not an issue while you receive CPR

because you are not conscious

during the process.

What are the bad points

of getting CPR?

After CPR, however, you could have

a sore chest or broken ribs because

of the electrical shocks and vigorous

massage. In addition, the chest

compressions could result in a

collapsed lung, which would require

additional treatment. Most people

who need CPR need a mechanical

ventilator to support their breathing

afterwards.

The success rate for CPR depends

on many things: your overall health

when you need it, where you get

it (in the community or in the hospital),

your age, and how quickly it

starts after your heart stops beating.

If you are under age 65, the success

rate ranges between 25-40%. If you

are over age 65, this rate drops to

between 1-4%. CPR is rarely successful

if you already have a chronic

illness that affects your vital organs,

such as your heart, lungs, liver, or

kidneys. Less than ten out of 100

hospitalized patients respond to CPR

by returning to the state they were

in before their heart stopped. Of

those who survive, many continue to

live, but in a weaker state or with

significant brain damage because

blood could not get to their brain in

time. CPR could keep you from

dying, but you might live in a coma

or be unable to think clearly.

Try to remember marcy poo that this is not being directed towards healthy young people, but people who are at the end of life anyway - the old and the sick.

I thought you said earlier it was for will planning? I wonder why they make cpr sound like some kind of torture? Ignorance is bliss coming from lefty loons again and again.

[Peikko 1,575]

The red herring

How so?

These decisions currently *are* left to bureaucrats (its hard to see how that won't be the case under any system)

Living Wills are *not* legally binding and can be overridden by the aforementioned bureaucrats.

These decisions are made in a very small qauntities. Most of the time its under extoridnary circumstances. Last resort type of situations.

Under gov reform this could drastically change.

No, these circumstances will remain the same. Living wills are not designed for perfectly fit and healthy individuals to be euthanized at will, they are designed for these 'extreme' circumstances.

[Peikko 1,575]

I see none of you read the workbook. Yeah this is planning eg: they define if cpr is worth it. Looks like here they are tying to convince you to go for a no code.

What are the good points

of getting CPR?

If you are in relatively good health

when you need CPR, it can return

you to roughly the same state you

were in when your heart stopped.

For people with some types of heart

disease, CPR can restore an irregular

heart beat. Pain or discomfort is

not an issue while you receive CPR

because you are not conscious

during the process.

What are the bad points

of getting CPR?

After CPR, however, you could have

a sore chest or broken ribs because

of the electrical shocks and vigorous

massage. In addition, the chest

compressions could result in a

collapsed lung, which would require

additional treatment. Most people

who need CPR need a mechanical

ventilator to support their breathing

afterwards.

The success rate for CPR depends

on many things: your overall health

when you need it, where you get

it (in the community or in the hospital),

your age, and how quickly it

starts after your heart stops beating.

If you are under age 65, the success

rate ranges between 25-40%. If you

are over age 65, this rate drops to

between 1-4%. CPR is rarely successful

if you already have a chronic

illness that affects your vital organs,

such as your heart, lungs, liver, or

kidneys. Less than ten out of 100

hospitalized patients respond to CPR

by returning to the state they were

in before their heart stopped. Of

those who survive, many continue to

live, but in a weaker state or with

significant brain damage because

blood could not get to their brain in

time. CPR could keep you from

dying, but you might live in a coma

or be unable to think clearly.

Try to remember marcy poo that this is not being directed towards healthy young people, but people who are at the end of life anyway - the old and the sick.

I thought you said earlier it was for will planning? I wonder why they make cpr sound like some kind of torture? Ignorance is bliss coming from lefty loons again and again.

Torture? It's made perfectly clear that under the circumstances of its use, the patient feels nothing at the time of the treatment. All that is being made clear is that CPR is not magic.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The red herring

How so?

These decisions currently *are* left to bureaucrats (its hard to see how that won't be the case under any system)

Living Wills are *not* legally binding and can be overridden by the aforementioned bureaucrats.

These decisions are made in a very small qauntities. Most of the time its under extoridnary circumstances. Last resort type of situations.

Under gov reform this could drastically change.

No - they aren't. Its very common among the elderly, its also common in regards to coma victims and people in persistent vegetative states.

As to the bolded bit - I see no evidence at all as to why this would be any more of an issue in the future than it is currently.

[Peikko 1,575]

The red herring

How so?

These decisions currently *are* left to bureaucrats (its hard to see how that won't be the case under any system)

Living Wills are *not* legally binding and can be overridden by the aforementioned bureaucrats.

These decisions are made in a very small qauntities. Most of the time its under extoridnary circumstances. Last resort type of situations.

Under gov reform this could drastically change.

No - they aren't. Its very common among the elderly, its also common in regards to coma victims and people in persistent vegetative states.

As to the bolded bit - I see no evidence at all as to why this would be any more of an issue in the future than it is currently.

Had you never noticed that absence of old people in the UK? How there are never any sick or disabled people either? They've all been discreetly euthanized to save money

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I have seen old people - but now I think about it, they must be government covert operatives, disguised and in deep cover to make the general public think that there are old people still around.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The red herring

How so?

These decisions currently *are* left to bureaucrats (its hard to see how that won't be the case under any system)

Living Wills are *not* legally binding and can be overridden by the aforementioned bureaucrats.

Please do not inject facts. The GOP doesn't take them well.

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[Peikko 1,575]