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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Russia
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Hi guys,

I hope you can help me. I have dual Russian and American citizenship. I renewed my Russian passport in the Russian consulate here in the US.

So how do I travel with 2 passports? The problem is that I read at the US embassy in Moscow site that Russian authorities won't let you leave the country if you have a Russian passport issued by the consulate in the US. This doesn't make much sense but it is what it says at the web site so it makes you wonder...

Did somebody travel with 2 passports to Russia and how did it go?

Thanks in advance!!!

Drew (St. Louis, MO) + Lyuba (Moscow, Russia)

December 1, 2003 - met and fell in love in Moscow, Russia

K-1

June 24, 2004 - NOA1

September 14, 2004 - NOA2

December 2, 2004 - Interview

December 24, 2004 - Arrival to the USA

January 14, 2005 - Wedding

AOS

January 25, 2005 - applied for AOS, EAD and AP in person

June 29, 2005 - AOS interview

August 8, 2005 - Green card arrived

Lifting of conditions

April 17, 2007 - NOA1 (extension letter)

April 2, 2008 - case transferred to CSC

May 8, 2008 - 10 year Green card arrived

Naturalization

July 24, 2008 - NOA1

November 19, 2008 - Interview

January 9, 2009 - Oath

January 17, 2009 - applied for US passport

January 26, 2009 - US passport arrived

DONE WITH IMMIGRATION

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Ukraine
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Hi guys,

I hope you can help me. I have dual Russian and American citizenship. I renewed my Russian passport in the Russian consulate here in the US.

So how do I travel with 2 passports? The problem is that I read at the US embassy in Moscow site that Russian authorities won't let you leave the country if you have a Russian passport issued by the consulate in the US. This doesn't make much sense but it is what it says at the web site so it makes you wonder...

Did somebody travel with 2 passports to Russia and how did it go?

Thanks in advance!!!

I do not think that what you read is true, but I am not Russian to tell you for sure.

However, there is something I can tell you for sure because this is how international law works:

if you enter Russia as a Russian citizen, your country has the right to not let you go out again, and there is nothing that the US embassy in Moscow can do to help you. The reason is that as a Russian citizen in Russia you are under Russian law. So, if you are afraid of your government, you should get a visa like other Americans and enter your country as a US citizen.

Even if you do that, the Russian government will always know that you are Russian, but entering as a US citizen gives the US embassy a better chance to protect you, should any problem arise.

The state department advises the following:

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.

Filed: Country: Russia
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Hi guys,

I hope you can help me. I have dual Russian and American citizenship. I renewed my Russian passport in the Russian consulate here in the US.

So how do I travel with 2 passports? The problem is that I read at the US embassy in Moscow site that Russian authorities won't let you leave the country if you have a Russian passport issued by the consulate in the US. This doesn't make much sense but it is what it says at the web site so it makes you wonder...

Did somebody travel with 2 passports to Russia and how did it go?

Thanks in advance!!!

I do not think that what you read is true, but I am not Russian to tell you for sure.

However, there is something I can tell you for sure because this is how international law works:

if you enter Russia as a Russian citizen, your country has the right to not let you go out again, and there is nothing that the US embassy in Moscow can do to help you. The reason is that as a Russian citizen in Russia you are under Russian law. So, if you are afraid of your government, you should get a visa like other Americans and enter your country as a US citizen.

Even if you do that, the Russian government will always know that you are Russian, but entering as a US citizen gives the US embassy a better chance to protect you, should any problem arise.

The state department advises the following:

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.

If you are a Russian citizen, you can't get a Russian visa. There is a question on the form about it.

OP, don't worry about it. Just don't commit any heinous crimes and you should be OK.

Edited by eekee

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Posted (edited)

I'm sorry, but I found information only in Russian.

К вопросу о двойном гражданстве В международном праве и российском законодательстве понятие «двойное гражданство» означает наличие у лица одновременно гражданства (подданства) двух или более государств. Двойное гражданство возникает, если в законодательстве данного государства не содержится ограничителей, препятствующих его возникновению (например, отказ от прежнего гражданства как условие приобретения «своего» гражданства; прекращение «своего» гражданства как следствие приобретения какого-либо иного гражданства).

Федеральный закон «О гражданстве Российской Федерации» от 31.05.2002 г. не содержит полного набора таких ограничителей и, следовательно, не исключает возможности возникновения на практике двойного гражданства. Например, приобретение гражданином России иного гражданства не влечет прекращения российского гражданства. Не требуется отказа от иного гражданства при приобретении российского гражданства по рождению и при приеме детей в гражданство Российской Федерации. В то же время приобретение российского гражданства лицами, достигшими 18 лет, возможно только при отказе от иного гражданства. Кроме того, для них Закон предусматривает необходимость постоянного проживания на территории России в течение нескольких лет непосредственно перед обращением по вопросу о приобретении гражданства. Последние два требования являются типичными ограничителями, препятствующими возникновению двойного гражданства.

Необходимо иметь в виду, что в правоотношениях с «двойными гражданами» Российская Федерация исходит только из наличия у них российского гражданства. Статья 6 упомянутого Закона определяет, что гражданин Российской Федерации, имеющий также иное гражданство, рассматривается «только как гражданин Российской Федерации».

Иными словами, если Вы - гражданин России, то по российскому законодательству Вам не запрещается приобретать гражданство США (либо любой другой страны), и Вы не лишаетесь российского гражданства, если становитесь гражданином США. В то же время Россия не признает за Вами гражданства США, поскольку между нашими странами нет договора о признании двойного гражданства. Это означает, в частности, что въезжать и выезжать из России, находиться на ее территории, либо обращаться в российские консульские учреждения за рубежом Вы должны по российским документам. При поездках в другие страны мира Вы можете использовать свой американский паспорт.

Иначе обстоит дело, если Вы - гражданин США дееспособного возраста (старше 18 лет) и хотите приобрести российское гражданство – в этом случае Ваше заявление не будет рассматриваться до тех пор, пока Вы не представите подтверждения об отказе от американского гражданства.

Российским гражданам, имеющим гражданство США, также следует учитывать, что в новом Федеральном законе «О гражданстве РФ» содержится оговорка, из которой следует, что при законодательно определенных обстоятельствах гражданин России, имеющий иное гражданство, может рассматриваться как иностранец и соответственно ограничиваться в правах.

And the most important is:

Очень часто нам задают вопрос, как на практике при въезде-выезде из России пользоваться двумя паспортами (российским и американским) не нарушая законов. Все очень просто – российским пограничникам при въезде и при выезде из России Вы показываете только российский паспорт. В их обязанности не входит проверка у Вас наличия разрешения на въезд в США. Этим в соответствии с Федеральным законом «О порядке выезда из РФ и въезда в РФ» должна заниматься транспортная компания-перевозчик пассажира, представителю которой Вы при оформлении билетов на вылет из России и показываете свой американский паспорт. Вместе с тем просим иметь в виду, что в случае различного написания Вашего имени в российском и американском документах билет на вылет из России следует оформлять в соответствии с написанием имени, указанным в российском загранпаспорте

Source: Russian Consulate in San Francisco

Edited by Diazy

Adjustment of Status

Dec 3, 2008 - Aug 20, 2009 (approval on August 7th)

Removing of Conditions

May 9, 2011 - October 4, 2011 (approval on September 28th)

Naturalization

July 19, 2014 - N400 packet sent out

July 21, 2014 - N400 packet delivered

July 23, 2014 - received email/text that I-797 is issued

July 26, 2014 - received I-797 in mail

August 11, 2014 - received the Biometrics notification

August 14, 2014 - biometrics walk-in (original date August 20)

August 18, 2014 - in line for interview scheduling

September 9, 2014 - yellow letter is received (letter is issued September 3)

November 3, 2014 - interview notice is issued (email/text alert)

November 10, 2014 - interview notice received with the interview date of December 11, 2014.

November 10, 2014 - request to reschedule mailed out

December 5, 2014 - interview notice is sent out (email/text alert)

December 11, 2014 - received an interview letter in mail

January 10, 2015 - interview on Saturday at 7am

January 26, 2015 - sent the requested documentation

February 26, 2015 - oath letter is issued (email/text alert)

March 2, 2015 - oath letter is received

March 18, 2015 - oath at 8am

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Russia
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Posted

Thank you so much!!!!

Drew (St. Louis, MO) + Lyuba (Moscow, Russia)

December 1, 2003 - met and fell in love in Moscow, Russia

K-1

June 24, 2004 - NOA1

September 14, 2004 - NOA2

December 2, 2004 - Interview

December 24, 2004 - Arrival to the USA

January 14, 2005 - Wedding

AOS

January 25, 2005 - applied for AOS, EAD and AP in person

June 29, 2005 - AOS interview

August 8, 2005 - Green card arrived

Lifting of conditions

April 17, 2007 - NOA1 (extension letter)

April 2, 2008 - case transferred to CSC

May 8, 2008 - 10 year Green card arrived

Naturalization

July 24, 2008 - NOA1

November 19, 2008 - Interview

January 9, 2009 - Oath

January 17, 2009 - applied for US passport

January 26, 2009 - US passport arrived

DONE WITH IMMIGRATION

 
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