N.J. shooting deaths draw focus to 'two universes' of gun culture

[MrsCat 6]

I will rephrase, being a one issue pony does not really equal active political engagement.

Agreed. Perhaps not to all.

[Danno 1,228]

Various reasons? More like EXCUSES! Since when did the ghetto have locks on the gates?

Sadly for the most part, people put their own locks on those gates.

First they don't finish school then they get knocked up and start having babies or they run around and play the "wannabe pimp".

The simple fact is any teenager in this area can

1. stay in school and go right to the military and start their life just like I and so many others did.

In the military you will get the opportunity to go to collage and maybe for free.

The biggest mistake people in "those places" make is..... to start start having kids with no husband.

There is no greater predictor of poverty than this one factor.

2 people working even modest paying jobs can not only afford to move out.... but are able to buy a house outside of the hood.

Single mothers in the hood are nothing but factories which reproduce the violence misery which we blame on everything else.

Hell go into the suburbs and note the difference, when there is a problem, people hide in the house, the form patrols or neighborhood watch groups... or even security patrols.... why?

Because there are Men in the homes.

A few years ago, I heard oprah claim that 70% of black women are single.

That is not only astonishing but telling.

Until the black family is healthy, don't expect changes, in fact by many accounts it's getting worse.

Before many here were even Born, this country DECLARED WAR on poverty, we have spent untold billions and while a dollar a day solves poverty in most places in the world, our billions, seemed to not do a thing here.

Yet to listen to the poverty pimps talk.. "we have more people in poverty now than we've ever had".

Wish I knew a simple answer to the problem.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

A Tampa police officer was killed this week - shot to death by an insane man who legally obtained quite an arsenal of firearms. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that picture?

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

A Tampa police officer was killed this week - shot to death by an insane man who legally obtained quite an arsenal of firearms. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that picture?

who determined he was insane?

[HAL 9000 96]

A Tampa police officer was killed this week - shot to death by an insane man who legally obtained quite an arsenal of firearms. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that picture?

who determined he was insane?

I'd like to know that too. But that's all retrospective. I'd love to see a national mental standard for gun ownership though. Something basic based on mental health standards.

That plus thorough criminal background checks... and I'd say long live the 2nd Amendment.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

A Tampa police officer was killed this week - shot to death by an insane man who legally obtained quite an arsenal of firearms. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that picture?

who determined he was insane?

I'd like to know that too. But that's all retrospective. I'd love to see a national mental standard for gun ownership though. Something basic based on mental health standards.

That plus thorough criminal background checks... and I'd say long live the 2nd Amendment.

that already exists.

[HAL 9000 96]

Thorough is the operative, key word.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Thorough is the operative, key word.

which is subjective. define what you think is a "thorough criminal background check" please.

[HAL 9000 96]

Thorough is the operative, key word.

which is subjective. define what you think is a "thorough criminal background check" please.

Happy to.

Any, and I mean ANY weapons-related, and/or violent offense convictions in the priors = instant disqualification.

Multiple arrests (w/out convictions) along those same chargeable offenses should also be looked at.

[catknit 144]

Various reasons? More like EXCUSES! Since when did the ghetto have locks on the gates?

Sadly for the most part, people put their own locks on those gates.

First they don't finish school then they get knocked up and start having babies or they run around and play the "wannabe pimp".

The simple fact is any teenager in this area can

1. stay in school and go right to the military and start their life just like I and so many others did.

In the military you will get the opportunity to go to collage and maybe for free.

The biggest mistake people in "those places" make is..... to start start having kids with no husband.

There is no greater predictor of poverty than this one factor.

2 people working even modest paying jobs can not only afford to move out.... but are able to buy a house outside of the hood.

Single mothers in the hood are nothing but factories which reproduce the violence misery which we blame on everything else.

Hell go into the suburbs and note the difference, when there is a problem, people hide in the house, the form patrols or neighborhood watch groups... or even security patrols.... why?

Because there are Men in the homes.

A few years ago, I heard oprah claim that 70% of black women are single.

That is not only astonishing but telling.

Until the black family is healthy, don't expect changes, in fact by many accounts it's getting worse.

Before many here were even Born, this country DECLARED WAR on poverty, we have spent untold billions and while a dollar a day solves poverty in most places in the world, our billions, seemed to not do a thing here.

Yet to listen to the poverty pimps talk.. "we have more people in poverty now than we've ever had".

Wish I knew a simple answer to the problem.

Yes, there are huge social issues plaguing Newark. Huge.

About the military - it isn't for everyone. It just isn't. I think you may do much more harm than good forcing a square peg into a round hole thinking anyone down and out can just up with the army and all will be well.

Additionally, just as an FYI - it isn't only black families in projects etc. And, it isn't populated solely by single mothers and their violence producing offspring.

A modest job somehow magically allowing someone to own a home? What kind of modest job are you talking about? A sales associate at Macy's maybe making $9/hr? A factory job [if you can find one in NJ] making $11/hr? You can NOT get out of the ghetto and into the suburbs on that kind of money - not unless Habitat for Humanity or someone similar is helping. Finding an ok rental in a neighborhood with weekly shootings as opposed to daily shootings? Yeah, that may be possible.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Thorough is the operative, key word.

which is subjective. define what you think is a "thorough criminal background check" please.

Happy to.

Any, and I mean ANY weapons-related, and/or violent offense convictions in the priors = instant disqualification.

Multiple arrests (w/out convictions) along those same chargeable offenses should also be looked at.

it seems like you're unaware of what is currently in place. here's the current list:

The Brady Bill was enacted in the former press secretary turned gun control advocates name in 1994, and its major provision is that anyone wishing to purchase a firearm must undergo a gun background check before being allowed to do so. Gun background checks must be performed by anyone selling a firearm in any state in the Union.

A gun background check can be performed most easily by accessing the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which is run by the Federal Government. The system is available to licensed gun dealers and pawnbrokers seven days a week, and on every day of the year except Christmas and Thanksgiving.

The Brady Bill also clearly established what persons are not to be allowed to purchase a firearm. These are

•Convicted Felons or those under indictment for a felony

•Known fugitives from justice in any state

•Individuals who were dishonorably discharged from military service.

•Unlawful drug users and convicted drug addicts or dealers

•Individuals who have ever been involuntarily committed to a mental institution or have been legally declared mentally incompetent

•Illegal aliens, and those legal aliens who are admitted to the United States on a non immigrant visa, such as a temporary work permit or student visa

•A person who has officially renounced their American citizenship.

•Persons convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence offences

•Someone under certain domestic violence restraining orders

The law requires that a gun background check should use the NICS system to be conducted upon those wishing to purchase both a long rifle and/or hand gun. Once someone has been disallowed from purchasing a firearm based upon the results of a gun background check this information is added to the NICS database so that in the future a gun dealer can see straight away that the person attempting to buy a firearm is not legally entitled to do so.

however, multiple arrests without convictions being included in your list is a bit of a stretch.

link

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

A Tampa police officer was killed this week - shot to death by an insane man who legally obtained quite an arsenal of firearms. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that picture?

who determined he was insane?

But Delgado's family says he was depressed and bipolar, on and off medication, a wanderer, in and out of communication with them. At 34, he was an insomniac.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

A Tampa police officer was killed this week - shot to death by an insane man who legally obtained quite an arsenal of firearms. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that picture?

who determined he was insane?

But Delgado's family says he was depressed and bipolar, on and off medication, a wanderer, in and out of communication with them. At 34, he was an insomniac.

so bipolar people are insane?

[luckytxn 2,264]

What happened to starting a job and any job and moving up and out?

Great then. A single lady that is struggling and needs to work and survive and can do so if she works and learns and then as her talents grow she is able to move up in that company or another and pay will rise accordingly. Eventually doors open and opportunities. What does she do? She gets knocked up by someone that cares not one whit and leaves and she is now struggling even more from a hole very hard to overcome. It can be done though but she will start to look at herself as a victim and victims are just that.

Foresight can be had earlier and setting goals can be achieved. It all helps when she was being raised and positive role models.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

A Tampa police officer was killed this week - shot to death by an insane man who legally obtained quite an arsenal of firearms. Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that picture?

who determined he was insane?

But Delgado's family says he was depressed and bipolar, on and off medication, a wanderer, in and out of communication with them. At 34, he was an insomniac.

so bipolar people are insane?

Maybe not but maybe they shouldn't be able to legally acquire firearms.