Fla Mom Gang Raped in unreal crimes against her and son.

[Sandrila 1]

just keeps getting sicker and sicker

i still dunno what the purpose is of sentencing one person to more than 1 life sentence....once they are dead they aren't coming back to serve any more time. Isn't stating life sentence enough...11 life sentences plus 50 years? of course they aren't going to serve that. If they are given the same kind of sensitive treatment as the terrorist from Libya, (getting out early just so he can die mercifully) they will be off punishment in no time...

I could care less if all those involved got death.

I wonder if there is really any justice in this world?

Edited August 21, 2009 by Sandrila

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wish she had also had a gun in the house.Not starting anything-but I really do. ( the assailants were armed according to the op).

I am glad she didn't. Then she will now be behind bars as well, leaving her poor child alone. Or both would be dead.

self defense.

wish it was that simple

self defense IS a simple concept.

My opinion only here-but you storm into my house and hurt my son, rape me-then yeah-you get it between the eyes......It's that simple to me. Point a weapon at me and threaten me or my son........I will defend myself and my son, especially if you are armed too.

Weighing the odds though its very very difficult to say with certainty that owning a gun will protect you from stuff like this - especially when the odds are so badly stacked against you.

The best bet surely, is not to live in neighbourhoods where this stuff is (relatively) commonplace, though accepting the basic realities that:

1) the reason people do live in these cities is that they are piss poor.

2) that criminal/gang behaviour thrives in these areas

3) that the criminal element in these areas most often preys upon other people in those same neighborhoods

If the implication here is that people who live in such areas should all be armed, then we're essentially espousing a wild west society.

Edited August 21, 2009 by Private Pike

[tmma 467]

I am not going to debate this #######. Really. Whatif's are theoretical concoctions that help no one. Truth is, this poor woman and her child are scarred for life. My good vibes go out to them.

True-it's sick and we can only hope that 'life sentence' actually means life-but a couple of them are juveniles.......

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am not going to debate this #######. Really. Whatif's are theoretical concoctions that help no one. Truth is, this poor woman and her child are scarred for life. My good vibes go out to them.

Agreed - speculation on these things is (at best) in poor taste; at worst its a dodgy brand of wishfulfillment.

[tmma 467]

I wish she had also had a gun in the house.Not starting anything-but I really do. ( the assailants were armed according to the op).

I am glad she didn't. Then she will now be behind bars as well, leaving her poor child alone. Or both would be dead.

self defense.

wish it was that simple

self defense IS a simple concept.

My opinion only here-but you storm into my house and hurt my son, rape me-then yeah-you get it between the eyes......It's that simple to me. Point a weapon at me and threaten me or my son........I will defend myself and my son, especially if you are armed too.

Weighing the odds though its very very difficult to say with certainty that owning a gun will protect you from stuff like this - especially when the odds are so badly stacked against you.

The best bet surely, is not to live in neighbourhoods where this stuff is (relatively) commonplace, though accepting the basic realities that:

1) the reason people do live in these cities is that they are piss poor.

2) that criminal/gang behaviour thrives in these areas

3) that the criminal element in these areas most often preys upon other people in those same neighborhoods

If the implication here is that people who live in such areas should all be armed, then we're essentially espousing a wild west society.

I have my own opinion.We all do what we think is best, some think gun ownership is pointless and bad-so be it-I don't & I think it's best to defend yourself in whatever manner you can. JMHO (of course)

I am not going to debate this #######. Really. Whatif's are theoretical concoctions that help no one. Truth is, this poor woman and her child are scarred for life. My good vibes go out to them.

Agreed - speculation on these things is (at best) in poor taste; at worst its a dodgy brand of wishfulfillment.

wish fulfillment-where did you get that from?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think people read stories like this and on some level fantasise about what it would be like if they were in that situation and could have blown away the intruders.

Its much the same reasoning behind people who want to be put in a room for 5 minutes with a murder/molestation suspect.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wish she had also had a gun in the house.Not starting anything-but I really do. ( the assailants were armed according to the op).

I am glad she didn't. Then she will now be behind bars as well, leaving her poor child alone. Or both would be dead.

self defense.

wish it was that simple

self defense IS a simple concept.

My opinion only here-but you storm into my house and hurt my son, rape me-then yeah-you get it between the eyes......It's that simple to me. Point a weapon at me and threaten me or my son........I will defend myself and my son, especially if you are armed too.

Weighing the odds though its very very difficult to say with certainty that owning a gun will protect you from stuff like this - especially when the odds are so badly stacked against you.

The best bet surely, is not to live in neighbourhoods where this stuff is (relatively) commonplace, though accepting the basic realities that:

1) the reason people do live in these cities is that they are piss poor.

2) that criminal/gang behaviour thrives in these areas

3) that the criminal element in these areas most often preys upon other people in those same neighborhoods

If the implication here is that people who live in such areas should all be armed, then we're essentially espousing a wild west society.

I have my own opinion.We all do what we think is best, some think gun ownership is pointless and bad-so be it-I don't & I think it's best to defend yourself in whatever manner you can. JMHO (of course)

I'm not saying its pointless - but I think the best way of avoiding this kind of thing is to not live in areas where gang crime is prevalent.

That's easier said than done of course - and my saying that isn't any more useful than someone who complains about African famine victims and wonders why they don't just move to where the food is.

Clearly there are major problems in the inner cities, but I don't think these are things that can be solved by the proliferation of firearms or for private citizens trying to outgun the gangs.

[tmma 467]

I think people read stories like this and on some level fantasise about what it would be like if they were in that situation and could have blown away the intruders.

Its much the same reasoning behind people who want to be put in a room for 5 minutes with a murder/molestation suspect.

Well, you can certainly count me out of that crowd. I don't fantasize about that and I've never wished to be anywhere near a suspect of any crime. It's not a fantasy to me -it's self defense that I certainly hope is never needed but prepared for if it is.

That's all really.

But back to the op-my heart truly goes out to the poor woman and her son.

[Danno 1,228]

If one were to live in such a neighborhood where this type crime is expected, one would have to keep the gun on the hip because these type vermin rush into your home so quick, you don't have time to get it.

KNowing what happens in these situations, it is amazing anyone would not be prepared for such an event.

We have them in my city and a number have ended with the bad guys shot.

People who kick-in your door and do home invasions are of the lowest most brazen criminals, to put yourself at their mercy is to be suicidal.

If one has the means to shoot back, one absolutely should as the chance your life will ever be the same..... once they have you in control is -slim to none.

I don't even see where this is a question of home owner getting charged with anything, someone show me one case.

The only questions; Do you have the means to resist?

If you live in or near this type area the next question is; Why not?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sure get a gun. Just don't think that owning one will change the nature of a violent society.

You don't stop inner city violence with firepower, you do it by getting involved in your local political process and building up the infrastructure.

[HAL 9000 96]

Sure get a gun. Just don't think that owning one will change the nature of a violent society.

You don't stop inner city violence with firepower, you do it by getting involved in your local political process and building up the infrastructure.

ALERT ALERT * Logic overload *

[Staashi 371]

1st - Florida does have a very powerful self defense law - if someone comes onto your domicile you can shoot them in self defense.

2nd - Florida inmates are made to serve out at least 85% of a sentence, unless it is a life sentence, which they will actually die in prison.

[Danno 1,228]

Sure get a gun. Just don't think that owning one will change the nature of a violent society.

You don't stop inner city violence with firepower, you do it by getting involved in your local political process and building up the infrastructure.

ALERT ALERT * Logic overload *

Think you mean *Logic fail*.

As this is a problem all across the country is Pike suggesting inter-city crime areas (code word for you know what) are all..... not interested or incapable of making the system work for them?

If this were just a few cities you might have an argument but come-on!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Damn it people. I cannot believe you are actually turning such a horrific tragedy in a pissing match over gun ownership. ####### is wrong with you.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sure get a gun. Just don't think that owning one will change the nature of a violent society.

You don't stop inner city violence with firepower, you do it by getting involved in your local political process and building up the infrastructure.

ALERT ALERT * Logic overload *

Think you mean *Logic fail*.

As this is a problem all across the country is Pike suggesting inter-city crime areas (code word for you know what) are all..... not interested or incapable of making the system work for them?

If this were just a few cities you might have an argument but come-on!

You mean that there are more problem areas than this one in Florida? Who knew!

So... what exactly is your counter argument to what I said?