Limbaugh tells caller who can't afford $6,000 to treat broken wrist: "Well, you shouldn't have broken your wrist"

[Otto 83]

...this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do.

Until it happens to them...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Naturally if you buy the idea that the provision of healthcare ought to be an entirely profit-driven commodity, the quality of which is dependent purely on how much money you have in the bank - its simply convenient to assign blame to people for getting sick.

The reality of course is that $hit happens, usually at the worst possible time, and that you discover very quickly that the current system we have is not on your side.

Again - no coincidence that the majority of private bankruptcies are due largely to healthcare costs (and there is a link to that).

Why don't we privatize the Fire Department? That way, they'll only go put out fires of homes that people were willing to spend money to save. The lower end ones would burn to the ground, leaving only the nicer homes. The free market working for you.

[_Simpson_ 250]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Well you know... people have choices on what illnesses to fall victim to.

So are you going to ignore the fact that most of our health issues come from our own actions? And once again I said most not all

I'm going to have to go and check a few hallways over to see if your statement is factually true. As someone that actually works in biomedicine, I think I can blame most health conditions as genetic and environmental in origin vs assuming most health issues are a result of obesity, induced diabetes, and user-created actions. Notice I am not condemning you for thinking that heart disease is mostly caused by eating one too many steaks or that bones are broken by falling off a motorbike- since those are not the only or even most of the health concerns people seek treatment for.

Was he speeding on the that motorbike?

Theres smoking and drinking you have failed to address.

Lets face it most doctor visits are contributed to decisions we have made.

Colds, Flu, Hereditary Disease, slip/falls... yeah... I don't think you're accurate there.

Besides what are 10 year old alcoholic smokers doing in the doctor's office? So many of those!!

Once again I said most not all but I realize your going for funny here, good luck on that by the way.

You go to the hospital for a cold? Which reminds me, could you imagine if we socialized health care. People would go to the hospital every time they sneezed or had a spot on there skin.

Flu, try a flu shot.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Talk about conditioning, how did that come about, that there are people that believe their health is purely in their own hands? That's the difficulty with trying counter arguments in a nut shell on health care, or so it appears, this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do. How totally sad.

Those people are far few and in between.

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

How?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Naturally if you buy the idea that the provision of healthcare ought to be an entirely profit-driven commodity, the quality of which is dependent purely on how much money you have in the bank - its simply convenient to assign blame to people for getting sick.

The reality of course is that $hit happens, usually at the worst possible time, and that you discover very quickly that the current system we have is not on your side.

Again - no coincidence that the majority of private bankruptcies are due largely to healthcare costs (and there is a link to that).

Why don't we privatize the Fire Department? That way, they'll only go put out fires of homes that people were willing to spend money to save. The lower end ones would burn to the ground, leaving only the nicer homes. The free market working for you.

Well if people would just put fire sprinklers in there home, hello personal responsibility.

Edited August 21, 2009 by looking_up

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Talk about conditioning, how did that come about, that there are people that believe their health is purely in their own hands? That's the difficulty with trying counter arguments in a nut shell on health care, or so it appears, this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do. How totally sad.

Those people are far few and in between.

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

How?

Already given you a crapload of examples. As has Hal.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Guano - Just remember that I never said I was against a public option, but I don't want it dictated by the feds. The Post-Office and Fire Departments have independence to run their respective locations how they see fit.

If independence is guaranteed, and they can guarantee that they are not going to set arbitrary price limitations, then I am ok with it. I also don't want tax payer money going into it. If its a public insurance agency, then it can get funded just the same way the other ones get funded. Only it doesn't necessarily need such a large profit margin since most of the overhead cost will be eliminated that way.

The Fire department isn't a federal program unless i am mistaken.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Talk about conditioning, how did that come about, that there are people that believe their health is purely in their own hands? That's the difficulty with trying counter arguments in a nut shell on health care, or so it appears, this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do. How totally sad.

Those people are far few and in between.

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

How?

Already given you a crapload of examples. As has Hal.

that proves nothing, when you got proof I will be right here

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Talk about conditioning, how did that come about, that there are people that believe their health is purely in their own hands? That's the difficulty with trying counter arguments in a nut shell on health care, or so it appears, this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do. How totally sad.

Those people are far few and in between.

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

How?

Already given you a crapload of examples. As has Hal.

that proves nothing, when you got proof I will be right here

Ah sticking the fingers in the ears and doing the "lalala" I see.

Brilliant.

[Peikko 1,575]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Well you know... people have choices on what illnesses to fall victim to.

So are you going to ignore the fact that most of our health issues come from our own actions? And once again I said most not all

I'm going to have to go and check a few hallways over to see if your statement is factually true. As someone that actually works in biomedicine, I think I can blame most health conditions as genetic and environmental in origin vs assuming most health issues are a result of obesity, induced diabetes, and user-created actions. Notice I am not condemning you for thinking that heart disease is mostly caused by eating one too many steaks or that bones are broken by falling off a motorbike- since those are not the only or even most of the health concerns people seek treatment for.

Was he speeding on the that motorbike?

Theres smoking and drinking you have failed to address.

Lets face it most doctor visits are contributed to decisions we have made.

Colds, Flu, Hereditary Disease, slip/falls... yeah... I don't think you're accurate there.

Besides what are 10 year old alcoholic smokers doing in the doctor's office? So many of those!!

Once again I said most not all but I realize your going for funny here, good luck on that by the way.

You go to the hospital for a cold? Which reminds me, could you imagine if we socialized health care. People would go to the hospital every time they sneezed or had a spot on there skin.

Flu, try a flu shot.

Except that that simply does not happen, or at least it doesn't happen any more than it does under any other system.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Talk about conditioning, how did that come about, that there are people that believe their health is purely in their own hands? That's the difficulty with trying counter arguments in a nut shell on health care, or so it appears, this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do. How totally sad.

Those people are far few and in between.

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

How?

Already given you a crapload of examples. As has Hal.

that proves nothing, when you got proof I will be right here

Ah sticking the fingers in the ears and doing the "lalala" I see.

Brilliant.

oh did you give me proof and I didnt hear it because I had my fingers in my ear *pulls fingers out of ears* ok I am all ears show me the proof.

The matter of the fact is that I have given you examples too and unless we have some sort of statistics/proof we are just talking past each other and life's to short for that nonsense.

[_Simpson_ 250]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Well you know... people have choices on what illnesses to fall victim to.

So are you going to ignore the fact that most of our health issues come from our own actions? And once again I said most not all

I'm going to have to go and check a few hallways over to see if your statement is factually true. As someone that actually works in biomedicine, I think I can blame most health conditions as genetic and environmental in origin vs assuming most health issues are a result of obesity, induced diabetes, and user-created actions. Notice I am not condemning you for thinking that heart disease is mostly caused by eating one too many steaks or that bones are broken by falling off a motorbike- since those are not the only or even most of the health concerns people seek treatment for.

Was he speeding on the that motorbike?

Theres smoking and drinking you have failed to address.

Lets face it most doctor visits are contributed to decisions we have made.

Colds, Flu, Hereditary Disease, slip/falls... yeah... I don't think you're accurate there.

Besides what are 10 year old alcoholic smokers doing in the doctor's office? So many of those!!

Once again I said most not all but I realize your going for funny here, good luck on that by the way.

You go to the hospital for a cold? Which reminds me, could you imagine if we socialized health care. People would go to the hospital every time they sneezed or had a spot on there skin.

Flu, try a flu shot.

Except that that simply does not happen, or at least it doesn't happen any more than it does under any other system.

Worry warts will be heading the hospitals in droves. Im exaggerating a little by saying everytimes they sneeze but my point I think is clear.

[HAL 9000 96]

What's the point of it anyway - are there going to be tribunal hearings to determine whether or not a patient's illness is attributable to "reckless" behaviour?

Computah says nahhh!

Correct. I cannot open the pod bay doors.

Anything deemed unhealthy will void you're health coverage. Just like the tax on the "fat" people that was proposed. Lets see if that makes it into the final bill.

I'd respond to all my fans one by one here, but i've been working all day and didn't have time before several pages accumulated. So You'll just have to be satisfied with a drive-by one liner.

Cheers.

Is that anywhere in the current legislation?

[Peikko 1,575]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Well you know... people have choices on what illnesses to fall victim to.

So are you going to ignore the fact that most of our health issues come from our own actions? And once again I said most not all

I'm going to have to go and check a few hallways over to see if your statement is factually true. As someone that actually works in biomedicine, I think I can blame most health conditions as genetic and environmental in origin vs assuming most health issues are a result of obesity, induced diabetes, and user-created actions. Notice I am not condemning you for thinking that heart disease is mostly caused by eating one too many steaks or that bones are broken by falling off a motorbike- since those are not the only or even most of the health concerns people seek treatment for.

Was he speeding on the that motorbike?

Theres smoking and drinking you have failed to address.

Lets face it most doctor visits are contributed to decisions we have made.

Colds, Flu, Hereditary Disease, slip/falls... yeah... I don't think you're accurate there.

Besides what are 10 year old alcoholic smokers doing in the doctor's office? So many of those!!

Once again I said most not all but I realize your going for funny here, good luck on that by the way.

You go to the hospital for a cold? Which reminds me, could you imagine if we socialized health care. People would go to the hospital every time they sneezed or had a spot on there skin.

Flu, try a flu shot.

Except that that simply does not happen, or at least it doesn't happen any more than it does under any other system.

Worry warts will be heading the hospitals in droves. Im exaggerating a little by saying everytimes they sneeze but my point I think is clear.

Except it does not happen that way in countries that already have universal health care. Are you suggesting that somehow American people are prone to hypochondria? What is your evidence for such a claim?