Limbaugh tells caller who can't afford $6,000 to treat broken wrist: "Well, you shouldn't have broken your wrist"

[HAL 9000 96]

Its funny how much liberals "care" and want healthcare for all. Ok, why don't they band together and volunteer to pay for it? No, they want to force everyone else into trillions and trillions of more debt. It isn't about prosperity for all, its that they are miserable and want misery spread equally.

Band together and volunteer to pay for it? Hey, that's a good idea. Isn't that the same thing you did to pay for Bush's wars, military spending, corporate welfare, and tax cuts for the wealthy? Did it work well for you?

It wasn't just Bush's war, the American people were behind it so hate on all of us that supported the war and not just Bush ok. I hate to see him get all the #######.

Since some folks love the current public opinion polls then it would best serve to remind you of the bottom-scraping polls President Bush received on Iraq quite specifically from Mission Accomplished until he left office.

Its called context- something the strange 'point makers' seem to willfully forget. Its really no surprise.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How can anyone know when the details haven't been finalised?

So why have a question/answer session at a meeting if you are not prepared to answer questions?

Because the Obama administration is pansying about rather than setting a bold direction. Policymaking by focus group and public referendum is often a recipe for disaster.

[HAL 9000 96]

Its funny how much liberals "care" and want healthcare for all. Ok, why don't they band together and volunteer to pay for it? No, they want to force everyone else into trillions and trillions of more debt. It isn't about prosperity for all, its that they are miserable and want misery spread equally.

Band together and volunteer to pay for it? Hey, that's a good idea. Isn't that the same thing you did to pay for Bush's wars, military spending, corporate welfare, and tax cuts for the wealthy? Did it work well for you?

It wasn't just Bush's war, the some American people were behind it so hate on all of us that supported the war and not just Bush ok. I hate to see him get all the #######.

So, you war supporters are now ready to pay up on that war you wanted? That'll bring anywhere from 1-2 trillion dollars into the federal coffers. Nice. Much appreciated.

It would be only fair- they 'want libruls to pay for 'free' health care' for the poor... so maybe they could also pay for these wars on terror since supposedly... them libruls don't support that.

How can anyone know when the details haven't been finalised?

They can't.

In the meantime, they can yell and scream like idiots.

How can anyone know when the details haven't been finalised?

So why have a question/answer session at a meeting if you are not prepared to answer questions?

Because the Obama administration is pansying about rather than setting a bold direction. Policymaking by focus group and public referendum is often a recipe for disaster.

I agree. Its been a waste of time. If they want to get public input, they should have made their goals very clearly in a public forum and then addressed those concerns that arose point by point.

Sure... all those pages have lots of details... but this is a Cliff Notes nation, unfortunately.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Its funny how much liberals "care" and want healthcare for all. Ok, why don't they band together and volunteer to pay for it? No, they want to force everyone else into trillions and trillions of more debt. It isn't about prosperity for all, its that they are miserable and want misery spread equally.

Band together and volunteer to pay for it? Hey, that's a good idea. Isn't that the same thing you did to pay for Bush's wars, military spending, corporate welfare, and tax cuts for the wealthy? Did it work well for you?

It wasn't just Bush's war, the some a majority but not all American people were behind it so hate on all of us that supported the war and not just Bush ok. I hate to see him get all the #######.

So, you war supporters are now ready to pay up on that war you wanted? That'll bring anywhere from 1-2 trillion dollars into the federal coffers. Nice. Much appreciated.

What can I say I am a conservative, we are all about personal responsibility.

Let me get this straight you want the people to take responsibility for there own actions, interesting. Try applying that to health care and maybe we can find some middle ground.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How can anyone know when the details haven't been finalised?

So why have a question/answer session at a meeting if you are not prepared to answer questions?

Because the Obama administration is pansying about rather than setting a bold direction. Policymaking by focus group and public referendum is often a recipe for disaster.

The numbers are already out there. For HR3200, it was around $283 billion dollars the first year according to the CBO, the last estimate I saw. As far as what the public plan will include, or not include, or what the premiums will be, that will be determined by an appointed panel, once the legislation goes into effect. Even the "co-op" option includes the appointed panel initially, until the co-op decides their own leadership.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

[_Simpson_ 250]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Pike most of our health issues are a result of our actions/decisions. Smoking, drinking, overeating...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Pike most of our health issues are a result of our actions/decisions. Smoking, drinking, overeating...

So if someone's kid gets Leukemia say, your opinion is that its their fault. Wow.

If you slip on ice and snap your ankle, that's your fault too presumably.

And what about if you get e-coli poisoning from a restaurant? - sorry its your fault, ** you.

[HAL 9000 96]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Well you know... people have choices on what illnesses to fall victim to.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Joseph, it is the Right that is fundamentally against government programs like Social Security and Medicare. Their answer - leave it up to the private sector to take care of the handicapped in this country who cannot care for themselves, but on the other side of their argument, they're saying SS and Medicare are unsustainable. In other words, the Right has no answer - except that it's not their problem. But feel free to tell me about a viable solution to help those cannot help themselves without using SS or Medicare.

IF this is so true, do you misrepresent sound bites (like this), why not post real clips of Rush calling for an end to SSI for little old ladies?

By the way, in his conversation with this caller he made a lot of sense about "Why the guys bill was so high and what to do about it."

Danno, the Right have long wanted to 'privatize' Social Security, which essentially means getting the government out of it all together. That's no secret. Same with Medicare. Do a little research and look who were fundamentally opposed to both programs when they were first proposed. Reagan was staunchly against Medicare. FDR was called a Socialist for proposing Social Security. You'd have to be living in a cave not to know where the Right stands on those two programs. That said, true Conservatives do not oppose those programs now, given that they are now established (traditional). But ideologically, most on the Right are fundamentally against any government social programs, including public education, which makes it pathetic that political hacks on the Right have been trying to scare grandma that Obama wants to take away her Medicare and SS.

Sure they opposed those bills for the very reason we have before us today..... Massive fraud, wildly expanded groups collecting monthly... often without ever contributing and now we have a sno-ball of debt heading right for us while more and more people are collecting and fewer paying in.

Explain to me why working families, should be taxed to pay for Warren Buffets meds?

So you admit then that it is the Right who wants to take away grandma's Medicare. Thanks, Danno. If only Right Wing blowhards like Limbaugh were as honest as you.

Edited August 21, 2009 by Col. 'Bat' Guano

[HAL 9000 96]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Pike most of our health issues are a result of our actions/decisions. Smoking, drinking, overeating...

Genetics... environment..........

[_Simpson_ 250]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Pike most of our health issues are a result of our actions/decisions. Smoking, drinking, overeating...

So if someone's kid gets Leukemia say, your opinion is that its their fault. Wow.

If you slip on ice and snap your ankle, that's your fault too presumably.

And what about if you get e-coli poisoning from a restaurant? - sorry its your fault, ** you.

I said most not all but theres another type of responsibility that can be applied here, take the responsibility of covering your #### in case things like this happen.

[_Simpson_ 250]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Well you know... people have choices on what illnesses to fall victim to.

So are you going to ignore the fact that most of our health issues come from our own actions? And once again I said most not all

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Pike most of our health issues are a result of our actions/decisions. Smoking, drinking, overeating...

So if someone's kid gets Leukemia say, your opinion is that its their fault. Wow.

If you slip on ice and snap your ankle, that's your fault too presumably.

And what about if you get e-coli poisoning from a restaurant? - sorry its your fault, ** you.

I said most not all but theres another type of responsibility that can be applied here, take the responsibility of covering your #### in case things like this happen.

I love how its so simple for you.

But lets make this even simpler - people DO take personal responsibility for their actions: its why most bankruptcies in this country are directly attributable to healthcare costs.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How is getting sick "an action"?

Blaming people for getting sick is more than a little silly.

Well you know... people have choices on what illnesses to fall victim to.

So are you going to ignore the fact that most of our health issues come from our own actions? And once again I said most not all

That's a "fact" only in the most cynical sense of the word.

DOCTOR: So you had a heart attack, I see

PATIENT: Well doctor, I don't know what happened - I was following the diet you gave me, exercising regularly and I took the aspirin and statins to lower my cholesterol, but the other day I just got this tight pain in my chest and before I knew it they were rushing me to hospital.

DOCTOR: Well clearly you didn't do enough - and I'm afraid I can't authorise any treatment for you, because you didn't do enough. If you had, you wouldn't have had the heart attack to begin with.