Limbaugh tells caller who can't afford $6,000 to treat broken wrist: "Well, you shouldn't have broken your wrist"

[_Simpson_ 250]

Talk about conditioning, how did that come about, that there are people that believe their health is purely in their own hands? That's the difficulty with trying counter arguments in a nut shell on health care, or so it appears, this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do. How totally sad.

Those people are far few and in between.

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

How?

Already given you a crapload of examples. As has Hal.

that proves nothing, when you got proof I will be right here

Ah sticking the fingers in the ears and doing the "lalala" I see.

Brilliant.

oh did you give me proof and I didnt hear it because I had my fingers in my ear *pulls fingers out of ears* ok I am all ears show me the proof.

The matter of the fact is that I have given you examples too and unless we have some sort of statistics/proof we are just talking past each other and life's to short for that nonsense.

It should be obvious to most people that a person does not get a genetic disease from things they personally have done.

It should also be obvious that viruses strike regardless of behavioural choices

It should be similarly obvious that cancer and to a lesser extent, heart disease has as much to do with genetic predisposition than as it does to diet, whether or not a person smokes, and whether or not they drink more than the recommended units of alcohol per week.

Do you know the cancer rate among smokers are you trying to make the argument that some genetic reason helped enable it, who cares. If they hadnt smoked it most likely wouldnt of been a issue.

[Otto 83]

Look bottom line, the poor among us have the worst rates of illness and suffer the most from poor healthcare.... they incidently all have their healthcare managed under the existing gov't run Health care system for poor.

why would we all want the same poor results?

Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance...

[HAL 9000 96]

Talk about conditioning, how did that come about, that there are people that believe their health is purely in their own hands? That's the difficulty with trying counter arguments in a nut shell on health care, or so it appears, this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do. How totally sad.

Those people are far few and in between.

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

How?

Already given you a crapload of examples. As has Hal.

that proves nothing, when you got proof I will be right here

Ah sticking the fingers in the ears and doing the "lalala" I see.

Brilliant.

oh did you give me proof and I didnt hear it because I had my fingers in my ear *pulls fingers out of ears* ok I am all ears show me the proof.

The matter of the fact is that I have given you examples too and unless we have some sort of statistics/proof we are just talking past each other and life's to short for that nonsense.

It should be obvious to most people that a person does not get a genetic disease from things they personally have done.

It should also be obvious that viruses strike regardless of behavioural choices

It should be similarly obvious that cancer and to a lesser extent, heart disease has as much to do with genetic predisposition than as it does to diet, whether or not a person smokes, and whether or not they drink more than the recommended units of alcohol per week.

Do you know the cancer rate among smokers are you trying to make the argument that some genetic reason helped enable it, who cares. If they hadnt smoked it most likely wouldnt of been a issue.

Well the rate for non-smoker lung cancers is roughly 10%. You may not like it but that is statistically quite significant thanks to them genes. Imagine adding susceptibility genes to smokers. Many smokers luck out and don't develop lung cancer, too.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Yes we do, thank you for noticing.

I have to get going, its been fun getting bent over the counter by you all

bye

[HAL 9000 96]

Later man.

[Peikko 1,575]

Talk about conditioning, how did that come about, that there are people that believe their health is purely in their own hands? That's the difficulty with trying counter arguments in a nut shell on health care, or so it appears, this hard core of people who believe that if you get sick it's down to something you did or did not do. How totally sad.

Those people are far few and in between.

OK - so you said "most not "all" - I think we can prove very quickly that simply isn't the case.

How?

Already given you a crapload of examples. As has Hal.

that proves nothing, when you got proof I will be right here

Ah sticking the fingers in the ears and doing the "lalala" I see.

Brilliant.

oh did you give me proof and I didnt hear it because I had my fingers in my ear *pulls fingers out of ears* ok I am all ears show me the proof.

The matter of the fact is that I have given you examples too and unless we have some sort of statistics/proof we are just talking past each other and life's to short for that nonsense.

It should be obvious to most people that a person does not get a genetic disease from things they personally have done.

It should also be obvious that viruses strike regardless of behavioural choices

It should be similarly obvious that cancer and to a lesser extent, heart disease has as much to do with genetic predisposition than as it does to diet, whether or not a person smokes, and whether or not they drink more than the recommended units of alcohol per week.

Do you know the cancer rate among smokers are you trying to make the argument that some genetic reason helped enable it, who cares. If they hadnt smoked it most likely wouldnt of been a issue.

Well the rate for non-smoker lung cancers is roughly 10%. You may not like it but that is statistically quite significant thanks to them genes. Imagine adding susceptibility genes to smokers. Many smokers luck out and don't develop lung cancer, too.

My dad died from lung cancer and he didn't smoke. The most likely environmental trigger was bus diesel fumes - he cycled to work every day for 30 years, he was an exceptionally healthy individual as a result, not fat and thanks to my mum had a very healthy diet. Go figure.

[Peikko 1,575]

Look bottom line, the poor among us have the worst rates of illness and suffer the most from poor healthcare.... they incidently all have their healthcare managed under the existing gov't run Health care system for poor.

why would we all want the same poor results?

With such stringent cause/effect analysis, what could possibly be wrong?

[Otto 83]

Look bottom line, the poor among us have the worst rates of illness and suffer the most from poor healthcare.... they incidently all have their healthcare managed under the existing gov't run Health care system for poor.

why would we all want the same poor results?

With such stringent cause/effect analysis, what could possibly be wrong?

Eliminate 'the poor', problem solved...

[Arabella 4]

Rush Limbaugh is an idiot.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Guano - Just remember that I never said I was against a public option, but I don't want it dictated by the feds. The Post-Office and Fire Departments have independence to run their respective locations how they see fit.

If independence is guaranteed, and they can guarantee that they are not going to set arbitrary price limitations, then I am ok with it. I also don't want tax payer money going into it. If its a public insurance agency, then it can get funded just the same way the other ones get funded. Only it doesn't necessarily need such a large profit margin since most of the overhead cost will be eliminated that way.

The Fire department isn't a federal program unless i am mistaken.

What's your solution to insuring those who cannot afford health insurance?

Maybe Medicare should be expanded to those, I don't know for sure. You guys like to throw around the 47 million but refuse to look at the same exact data-sheet which shows that 12 - 15 million are illegals, and another 10 million are young people who opt out of health insurance and either get the payout, or do not get anything deducted. There are nearly 400 million people in this country so if there are roughly 20 million people out there who genuinely don't have access to health insurance then I'd say we're not in a "CRISIS", and that we're doing pretty well. Now, if the issue is the legitimate 20 million people, then lets give them a hand, but the entire system doesn't need to be thrown out. It needs to be rid of government bureaucracy. The left wants to seize on this however, so that they can take-over the entire system. The bureaucracy is real, and its in the plan as it stands now. Hence why the thing is 1000 pages long. This isn't something that someone is imagining.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Look bottom line, the poor among us have the worst rates of illness and suffer the most from poor healthcare.... they incidently all have their healthcare managed under the existing gov't run Health care system for poor.

why would we all want the same poor results?

With such stringent cause/effect analysis, what could possibly be wrong?

Eliminate 'the poor', problem solved...

I've been saying this for years. Make the minimum wage $100 per hour and you've eliminated poverty in a single stroke.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The bureaucracy is real

It is. And it costs us dearly. Today. And it will cost us more tomorrow and more the day after that. Which is why we need to put a stop to it. this bureaucracy just doesn't belong to the government as you would have it but was created and grows like a cancer under the most fractured, most inefficient health insurance system in the developed world - that's the private health insurance system that we allowed the private health insurance industry to create. Any government, anywhere in the developed world - including here in the US - runs a more efficient health insurance system than the private insurance companies. The bureaucracy argument will backfire every time it is made. There's just no proof to be had that leaving it solely in private hands will increase it's efficiency. It hasn't for the last few decades and there's no rational reason to believe that, if left alone, it will over the next.

Look bottom line, the poor among us have the worst rates of illness and suffer the most from poor healthcare.... they incidently all have their healthcare managed under the existing gov't run Health care system for poor.

why would we all want the same poor results?

With such stringent cause/effect analysis, what could possibly be wrong?

Eliminate 'the poor', problem solved...

I've been saying this for years. Make the minimum wage $100 per hour and you've eliminated poverty in a single stroke.

Poor attempt at humor?

[HAL 9000 96]

Look bottom line, the poor among us have the worst rates of illness and suffer the most from poor healthcare.... they incidently all have their healthcare managed under the existing gov't run Health care system for poor.

why would we all want the same poor results?

With such stringent cause/effect analysis, what could possibly be wrong?

Eliminate 'the poor', problem solved...

I've been saying this for years. Make the minimum wage $100 per hour and you've eliminated poverty in a single stroke.

Go for it.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Naturally if you buy the idea that the provision of healthcare ought to be an entirely profit-driven commodity, the quality of which is dependent purely on how much money you have in the bank - its simply convenient to assign blame to people for getting sick.

The reality of course is that $hit happens, usually at the worst possible time, and that you discover very quickly that the current system we have is not on your side.

Again - no coincidence that the majority of private bankruptcies are due largely to healthcare costs (and there is a link to that).

Why don't we privatize the Fire Department? That way, they'll only go put out fires of homes that people were willing to spend money to save. The lower end ones would burn to the ground, leaving only the nicer homes. The free market working for you.

Works in the Philippines. They call it "Urban Renewal".

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Guano - Just remember that I never said I was against a public option, but I don't want it dictated by the feds. The Post-Office and Fire Departments have independence to run their respective locations how they see fit.

If independence is guaranteed, and they can guarantee that they are not going to set arbitrary price limitations, then I am ok with it. I also don't want tax payer money going into it. If its a public insurance agency, then it can get funded just the same way the other ones get funded. Only it doesn't necessarily need such a large profit margin since most of the overhead cost will be eliminated that way.

The Fire department isn't a federal program unless i am mistaken.

It's actually volunteers around here. I wonder if the doctors in the area would volunteer their services on an "as needed basis" as well?