Lockerbie Bomber Set Free

[HAL 9000 96]

I vaguely remember your comment & the story... the teens were animals IMO. The guy responsible for the Lockerbie incident is an animal too as far as I'm concerned.

hope your packing the high roaders are on the prowl

Which ones? Not too many of them think the guy should have been released.

Unless their grounds for 'high roading' involve the actual evidence in the trial... which to be fair even has some of the victims' families concerned that perhaps the convicted terrorist was put away on faulty evidence. But that's another road that is also likely to be put down as a high one isn't it?

[nowhereman 1]

I vaguely remember your comment & the story... the teens were animals IMO. The guy responsible for the Lockerbie incident is an animal too as far as I'm concerned.

hope your packing the high roaders are on the prowl

I believe in second chances for most people under many circumstances, but certain acts are unforgivable IMO.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I vaguely remember your comment & the story... the teens were animals IMO. The guy responsible for the Lockerbie incident is an animal too as far as I'm concerned.

hope your packing the high roaders are on the prowl

Which ones? Not too many of them think the guy should have been released.

Unless their grounds for 'high roading' involve the actual evidence in the trial... which to be fair even has some of the victims' families concerned that perhaps the convicted terrorist was put away on faulty evidence. But that's another road that is also likely to be put down as a high one isn't it?

Let me give you a example

That would be pretty disgusting too- leading likely to a new round of terrorists targeting more innocent people.

What you dont want to criticize him for calling those poor children animals?

[HAL 9000 96]

I vaguely remember your comment & the story... the teens were animals IMO. The guy responsible for the Lockerbie incident is an animal too as far as I'm concerned.

hope your packing the high roaders are on the prowl

Which ones? Not too many of them think the guy should have been released.

Unless their grounds for 'high roading' involve the actual evidence in the trial... which to be fair even has some of the victims' families concerned that perhaps the convicted terrorist was put away on faulty evidence. But that's another road that is also likely to be put down as a high one isn't it?

Let me give you a example

That would be pretty disgusting too- leading likely to a new round of terrorists targeting more innocent people.

What you dont want to criticize him for calling those poor children animals?

Huh?

Not a very congruent argument/example there.

[Peikko 1,575]

Very bad decision IMO... the guy should have spent his remaining days in prison. I could see a compassionate release for non-violent felons, but murderers shouldn't have the option.

This is the Scottish legal system - they do believe in compassion for violent offenders.

[Peikko 1,575]

I vaguely remember your comment & the story... the teens were animals IMO. The guy responsible for the Lockerbie incident is an animal too as far as I'm concerned.

hope your packing the high roaders are on the prowl

I believe in second chances for most people under many circumstances, but certain acts are unforgivable IMO.

His is not getting a 'second chance'. He is being released because he is going to die so unless god sees fit to grant him a miracle cure, he's not starting a new life.

[Peikko 1,575]

I believe the guy qualified for compassionate release, but I don't think he should have been granted it. I don't think it is fair for one person, or even 99% of the people harmed by a prisoner to grant compassion over the wishes of that one percent who will be further emotionally beaten by such a move.

And I don't think anyone here should be patting themselves on the back for being so compassionate toward someone who has not personally harmed them. That's pretty easy to do. It takes pretty big hutspa to consider those directly affected petty for not being so forgiving.

No onr here is in a position to grant him compassion, he wasn't in our care/custody. The only person who was in a position to show compassion was the Scottish minister for justice, and he did not do so on a personal basis, but as a result of complying with the laws of the land. Whether one agrees that this is an act of compassion and mercy or the actions of an idiot is obviously open to debate and both opinions are valid.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Huh?

Not a very congruent argument/example there.

Lance was venting and you made the comment I just quoted. Remember that is when this high road came up in this thread. That was my example. What was more despicable was the reaction to this mans arrival and yet you concerned yourself more with the venting that took place. Why not next time spend a little more time critiquing the people that were giving him a hero's welcome instead of someone venting.

[nowhereman 1]

I vaguely remember your comment & the story... the teens were animals IMO. The guy responsible for the Lockerbie incident is an animal too as far as I'm concerned.

hope your packing the high roaders are on the prowl

I believe in second chances for most people under many circumstances, but certain acts are unforgivable IMO.

His is not getting a 'second chance'. He is being released because he is going to die so unless god sees fit to grant him a miracle cure, he's not starting a new life.

My point is that he doesn't deserve compassion as far as I'm concerned... he should have died in prison. Letting him out is a 2nd chance of sorts.

[Peikko 1,575]

I vaguely remember your comment & the story... the teens were animals IMO. The guy responsible for the Lockerbie incident is an animal too as far as I'm concerned.

hope your packing the high roaders are on the prowl

I believe in second chances for most people under many circumstances, but certain acts are unforgivable IMO.

His is not getting a 'second chance'. He is being released because he is going to die so unless god sees fit to grant him a miracle cure, he's not starting a new life.

My point is that he doesn't deserve compassion as far as I'm concerned... he should have died in prison. Letting him out is a 2nd chance of sorts.

What sort of 'second chance' is it when he will die in less than 3 months? (At least, that's the best guess of the medical experts, not easy to be accurate with this stuff). Deserving of compassion, well, legally he was elligable and to deny it would have been the more astonishing action if one is looking at it from a Scottish law standpoint, to have denied it would have been to effectly change the law. However emotive this subject is, I think it's right to ask oneself, should politicians simply change laws because one faces public outcry. That seems to me to be a much more dangerous path to follow.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Dancing in the streets? Typical for a death cult.

[dalegg 143]

What sort of 'second chance' is it when he will die in less than 3 months? (At least, that's the best guess of the medical experts, not easy to be accurate with this stuff). Deserving of compassion, well, legally he was elligable and to deny it would have been the more astonishing action if one is looking at it from a Scottish law standpoint, to have denied it would have been to effectly change the law. However emotive this subject is, I think it's right to ask oneself, should politicians simply change laws because one faces public outcry. That seems to me to be a much more dangerous path to follow.

Compassionate release is an established feature of the Scottish judicial system when a prisoner is near death. According to officials, there have been 30 requests for release on compassionate grounds in Scotland over the last decade, 23 of which were approved.

So, here's my question- Just what did those 7 do that was more heinous than murdering 270 innocent people that compelled the Scots to reject their cases?

In my opinion, if you aren't going to have the death penalty then at least life in prison should be life in prison. Either that or you should just let every lifer out once they are older than 70. In practical terms, any normal Joe Shmoe who killed someone in a burglary or whatever- even a cold blooded murder of some neighbor of theirs 40 or 50 years ago is almost certainly no threat to other people so if you get right down to it there isn't much reason to keep them in prison. Nobody remembers them, or is inspired by them. This case however is totally different, as witnessed by the reaction when the plane landed. He is like a living martyr, and can be a dangerous influence. Wasn't the former spiritual leader of Hamas Sheik Yassin blind and crippled? Didn't stop his influence. Man, just what is under that kilt?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think there's little point in discussing this subject further as too many people are too fixated on their emotional reaction to the story to actually consider the reasons why it was done.

Justice isn't a referendum issue, nor are sentencing decisions conducted by phone poll.

Edited August 25, 2009 by Private Pike

[nowhereman 1]

I think there's little point in discussing this subject further as too many people are too fixated on their emotional reaction to the story to actually consider the reasons why it was done.

Justice isn't a referendum issue, nor are sentencing decisions conducted by phone poll.

Well perhaps we can agree that a legal decision isn't always a just decision.

[HAL 9000 96]

Huh?

Not a very congruent argument/example there.

Lance was venting and you made the comment I just quoted. Remember that is when this high road came up in this thread. That was my example. What was more despicable was the reaction to this mans arrival and yet you concerned yourself more with the venting that took place. Why not next time spend a little more time critiquing the people that were giving him a hero's welcome instead of someone venting.

Or that is perhaps where you focused your reactionary attention? So many things would be better served by actually reading through the topic...

If you want to have a pitchfork fest criticizing the people celebrating that guy and his homecoming, open up another thread.

Don't impose your will of thought unto others- its not very... how should we say it... freethinking of you?