ND blue slip Can we do anything?

[NQT1976 1]

I went to Vietnam once before the Interview, but I did go back before the submission date. The reason I could not go back was work related. I did submit a email from work saying that I could not use my vacation any time soon. But I have had 2 trips there. I understand their worries about one person having one trip, but as I have said in the past not everyone is independently wealthy. I have a job that pays 45k and with the current economy it is hard to find such a job and without a job, you will not get the visa. So one trip is what most people can get. When I went back I did risk my job, but I told them that she needed me and she was what is important. I am still feeling the back lash from that trip, but it was worth it to be in her arms for another week. Here is out second blue slip

your sheet is green, look better than blue. you should get pink soon.

if they give you white, it worst.

you have a change to get in the consulate and talk to them ?

come in and ask them face to face, request their explanationtion, come on jerome fight your your rights, fight for your love.

[Anh map 2,098]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are

a. Must be a total mental handi cap

b. must be a total A hole

c. Must have absolutely no common sense

d. must not have a I.Q. over 2

You have a short timeline relationship. You made 1 trip to VN before petitioning. It raises flags. Flags bring frustration and extra work to overcome. You've submitted the requested evidence, now is the waiting while it is reviewed. Stay positive.

I went to Vietnam once before the Interview, but I did go back before the submission date. The reason I could not go back was work related. I did submit a email from work saying that I could not use my vacation any time soon. But I have had 2 trips there. I understand their worries about one person having one trip, but as I have said in the past not everyone is independently wealthy. I have a job that pays 45k and with the current economy it is hard to find such a job and without a job, you will not get the visa. So one trip is what most people can get. When I went back I did risk my job, but I told them that she needed me and she was what is important. I am still feeling the back lash from that trip, but it was worth it to be in her arms for another week. Here is out second blue slip

It's a huge deal to travel half way around the world. I'm not blaming you for anything, just giving the perspective of the CO's at HCMC. We have to convinve them of the validity of our relationships. And it's a bit like trying to hit a moving target.

You two submitted the best evidence that you have. Brother Jim is probably right that someone in the fraud unit is examining the file. Ask you Congressperson and/or Senator to follow up for you.

Don't despair, stay positive and keep following up.

[johncali9 6]

Don't understand the blueslip. It didn't state any specifics. Just generalizations that either you didn't have enough evidence or supporting documents. How do they expect you to remedy it? Are you able to talk directly with the Consulate Chief; perhaps via telephone, since you can't come to Vietnam? If not, perhaps consider an attorney, just in case they decide to send it back to USCIS.

It's a generic AP blue slip. They're not asking for any additional evidence or documents, and they don't expect him to address it. The blue slip basically just says they need additional time to process it. As Scott says, probably going to the fraud detection unit.

Hey friend

The friend Trinh Ly he was got the blue slip like you with out interview my wife spoken with him 5pm you guy say and talk so good but the like Sh

Your wife and his wife with out interview , because happy to turn the doc and time like early day that good for you ,but friend of mine he was turn the doc and time line on time his wife was interview as well

So good luck

John

[johncali9 6]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

I think that other VJ'er was me. My ex is in the can for probation violation (failing to report) on drug charges. She'll probably get out by the time Phuong has her interview. I actually hope not, since I can provide proof of her residence as long as she's in prison. How do you prove the residence of an addict who disappears for weeks at a time?

I don't think it matters what your fiance/spouse does for a living in VN. The odds of a school teacher being a fraud are probably just as high as anyone else.

hello jim and phuong

How was your vacation welcome back ,I will be there sept 1 @ hcmc

I'm also beginning to wonder if HCM doesn't work on a quota system. For example, maybe they assume that 90% of applications are fraudulent, so they are determined to shoot down 90% with the hope that most of the ones they deny were frauds and most of the ones they approved were legitimate. I can't find any other way to explain why someone with a relatively weak case would get approved one month, while someone with a much stronger case would get denied the following month. If your case happens to come through the consulate in a month with a high proportion of strong cases, then your chances of getting denied just went up significantly. In other words, your chances might be dependent on the strength of your case relative to the strength of the other cases being processed at the same time, and not necessarily on it's strength when viewed independently. If this is true then it doesn't change the tactics we have to use to help our SO's get approved, but it does mean that there is no predefined threshold we have to reach in order to get approved because that threshold would constantly be changing.

I think the prudent course is to never assume you've addressed your red flags enough, never assume you've provided enough evidence, and always assume that a denial awaits at the next step in the process and plan for your next move.

[toddandhien 2]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are

a. Must be a total mental handi cap

b. must be a total A hole

c. Must have absolutely no common sense

d. must not have a I.Q. over 2

Jerome, you do realize that this is a public forum, right? And that you used your real first name and your fiancee's real first name? I think it is OK to complain in general about the system and the toughness, etc. But making derogatory comments about the COs' intellectual capabilities and personality style won't help and could hurt. Just a thought

[ScottThuy 140]

Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!

Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC?

I think that other VJ'er was me. My ex is in the can for probation violation (failing to report) on drug charges. She'll probably get out by the time Phuong has her interview. I actually hope not, since I can provide proof of her residence as long as she's in prison. How do you prove the residence of an addict who disappears for weeks at a time?

I don't think it matters what your fiance/spouse does for a living in VN. The odds of a school teacher being a fraud are probably just as high as anyone else.

I'm also beginning to wonder if HCM doesn't work on a quota system. For example, maybe they assume that 90% of applications are fraudulent, so they are determined to shoot down 90% with the hope that most of the ones they deny were frauds and most of the ones they approved were legitimate. I can't find any other way to explain why someone with a relatively weak case would get approved one month, while someone with a much stronger case would get denied the following month. If your case happens to come through the consulate in a month with a high proportion of strong cases, then your chances of getting denied just went up significantly. In other words, your chances might be dependent on the strength of your case relative to the strength of the other cases being processed at the same time, and not necessarily on it's strength when viewed independently. If this is true then it doesn't change the tactics we have to use to help our SO's get approved, but it does mean that there is no predefined threshold we have to reach in order to get approved because that threshold would constantly be changing.

I think the prudent course is to never assume you've addressed your red flags enough, never assume you've provided enough evidence, and always assume that a denial awaits at the next step in the process and plan for your next move.

Yep it was you I was refering to... Didn't want to name names ...

[Huong and Phung 0]

It's so sad seeing all these blue slip that happened on July & August. I think if we have a good case and require more time for them to look at all the evidence that we turn in, they will take time and look at it. To cover them and our paranoid mind, they need to give you something and it is the green slip. I guess they all just process of how they work. My wife and I are being positive as we telling each other that if they need something then we prepare the best we can and give them all we got. If all else fail, we still have each other. I don't mind visiting my wife every 3 months. Eventhough living away from my wife 1 day is a year of prison to me.

If you already submit everything you've got and that's the best you can do, then you should feel confident about it. Hope you make copies of all documents being submitted and third round could be an attorney and they might want to see your documents. That's what our plan is and I will be with my wife in less than 1 week. YAAAHHOOOOO!!!! Be happy and enjoy the moment.

[BinhJerome 14]

It's so sad seeing all these blue slip that happened on July & August. I think if we have a good case and require more time for them to look at all the evidence that we turn in, they will take time and look at it. To cover them and our paranoid mind, they need to give you something and it is the green slip. I guess they all just process of how they work. My wife and I are being positive as we telling each other that if they need something then we prepare the best we can and give them all we got. If all else fail, we still have each other. I don't mind visiting my wife every 3 months. Eventhough living away from my wife 1 day is a year of prison to me.

If you already submit everything you've got and that's the best you can do, then you should feel confident about it. Hope you make copies of all documents being submitted and third round could be an attorney and they might want to see your documents. That's what our plan is and I will be with my wife in less than 1 week. YAAAHHOOOOO!!!! Be happy and enjoy the moment.

I wish you the best. I know that this is a public website and I should not rant and rave about the Co, but heck they are going to do what they want to do no matter what. We have already come to the assumption if they will give us the pink after further review GREAT, if not it is not the end of the world. I am going to school to be a teacher, so quite honestly either way with us is fine. We hope for the pink so that she can be with me here sooner of course, but I know in my heart that I am more than willing to live in Vietnam to be with her. I have 3 years of school, and in 3 years my house is paid off. I can rent it out and then go teach in HCMC and we will be together, eventually buy a house there and either sell the house in the US or just keep it for a renter. I know I love her and she loves me. We both have our plans and we have always planned on retiring in Vietnam, if they do not give us a pink then we will just have to speed up our plans. Either way we both know we will be together.

But we truly do wish everyone luck and just be like us, hope for the best and if the best is not what you get, keep smiling and look at the bigger picture. THE SUN WILL COME OUT TOMORROW!!!!

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!

[Huong and Phung 0]

I wish you the best. I know that this is a public website and I should not rant and rave about the Co, but heck they are going to do what they want to do no matter what. We have already come to the assumption if they will give us the pink after further review GREAT, if not it is not the end of the world. I am going to school to be a teacher, so quite honestly either way with us is fine. We hope for the pink so that she can be with me here sooner of course, but I know in my heart that I am more than willing to live in Vietnam to be with her. I have 3 years of school, and in 3 years my house is paid off. I can rent it out and then go teach in HCMC and we will be together, eventually buy a house there and either sell the house in the US or just keep it for a renter. I know I love her and she loves me. We both have our plans and we have always planned on retiring in Vietnam, if they do not give us a pink then we will just have to speed up our plans. Either way we both know we will be together.

But we truly do wish everyone luck and just be like us, hope for the best and if the best is not what you get, keep smiling and look at the bigger picture. THE SUN WILL COME OUT TOMORROW!!!!

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!

Hi Jerome. Well said. We all hoping for the best. GOOD LUCK TO YOU GUYS TOO.