Trash in Morocco

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

It does make me sad to read this. I get tired of defending my husband and his country. Yes there are a lot of scammers there. And we are all taking that risk when we decide to marry one. I am one of the one with all of the blaring red flags, but we are still together. I am so glad that I didn't base my decision on these types of comments.

I guess the key is really inside ourselves. To look as deeply into ourselves and our spouses to see if there is any basis in our own personal relationships. To open our eyes to what is going on around us, then close them when we find that these things don't have any relevance in our own lives. Yes people need to vent. But are they really so blind that they can't admit that they sometimes allow it to happen to themselves? I pity them. Most adults can and will admit their own mistakes when making a bad decision. Perhaps they just need to grow up.

Well,

My daughter is half moroccan and her dad used a woman to come here and its really just common place and knowledge to the point they give us names, BOATS. There are some real love relationships between Moroccans and Americans and sometimes the Moroccans just get so used to life here that they adjust to the way things are. I love my daughter and yes I consider her Moroccan and its hurtful to call all Moroccans trash...there are plenty of other mena countries that have their share of scammers. If I had a dime for every guy I have met who s wife either had a drug or alcohol problem and thats why the poor thing left, I d be rich ( the guy) I have also seen Moroccans get very used to Americans even if they used one, go back and marry another because they want a wife who will work and pay half the bills and cant tow the arabic husband I pay all the bills line

In closing,

Yes alot the mena men are scammers in marriages with us but I really love my daughter and cannot support someone calling Moroccans trash because she is the love of my life (although her Moroccan family had done absolutlely nothing for her her whole life and her dad avoids child support until he is at the brink of arrest. How they couldnt love her and how he couldnt be a kind and decent person is beyond me

He made a moroccan girl abort at 5 months because he strung her along until she was 5 months and wouldnt marry her and she had to have a late term abortion to save her face and another girl he took her virginity and then she almost threw herself in front of a train..so we are not the only ones who get hurt, its their women too

Anyway, I just love my Moroccan daughter and I never want her to grow and up and feel like shes trash because some guys from her country do evil opportunistic stuff to get papers...

Thats my take

[chaishai 1]

It does make me sad to read this. I get tired of defending my husband and his country. Yes there are a lot of scammers there. And we are all taking that risk when we decide to marry one. I am one of the one with all of the blaring red flags, but we are still together. I am so glad that I didn't base my decision on these types of comments.

I guess the key is really inside ourselves. To look as deeply into ourselves and our spouses to see if there is any basis in our own personal relationships. To open our eyes to what is going on around us, then close them when we find that these things don't have any relevance in our own lives. Yes people need to vent. But are they really so blind that they can't admit that they sometimes allow it to happen to themselves? I pity them. Most adults can and will admit their own mistakes when making a bad decision. Perhaps they just need to grow up.

Well,

My daughter is half moroccan and her dad used a woman to come here and its really just common place and knowledge to the point they give us names, BOATS. There are some real love relationships between Moroccans and Americans and sometimes the Moroccans just get so used to life here that they adjust to the way things are. I love my daughter and yes I consider her Moroccan and its hurtful to call all Moroccans trash...there are plenty of other mena countries that have their share of scammers. If I had a dime for every guy I have met who s wife either had a drug or alcohol problem and thats why the poor thing left, I d be rich ( the guy) I have also seen Moroccans get very used to Americans even if they used one, go back and marry another because they want a wife who will work and pay half the bills and cant tow the arabic husband I pay all the bills line

In closing,

Yes alot the mena men are scammers in marriages with us but I really love my daughter and cannot support someone calling Moroccans trash because she is the love of my life (although her Moroccan family had done absolutlely nothing for her her whole life and her dad avoids child support until he is at the brink of arrest. How they couldnt love her and how he couldnt be a kind and decent person is beyond me

He made a moroccan girl abort at 5 months because he strung her along until she was 5 months and wouldnt marry her and she had to have a late term abortion to save her face and another girl he took her virginity and then she almost threw herself in front of a train..so we are not the only ones who get hurt, its their women too

Anyway, I just love my Moroccan daughter and I never want her to grow and up and feel like shes trash because some guys from her country do evil opportunistic stuff to get papers...

Thats my take

its trash in morocco. not everyone is trash in morocco. the individuals highlighted as users are the trash i guess. not sure why you would take it personally. its like if someone from another country created a FB group called fatties in america. clearly not all americans are fatties. if i were fat, i might get offended, but i am not, so whats the point? your daughter isnt trash and doesnt even fit the demographic to be a green card using male so i wouldnt worry about it.

[*Maureen* 0]

It does make me sad to read this. I get tired of defending my husband and his country. Yes there are a lot of scammers there. And we are all taking that risk when we decide to marry one. I am one of the one with all of the blaring red flags, but we are still together. I am so glad that I didn't base my decision on these types of comments.

I guess the key is really inside ourselves. To look as deeply into ourselves and our spouses to see if there is any basis in our own personal relationships. To open our eyes to what is going on around us, then close them when we find that these things don't have any relevance in our own lives. Yes people need to vent. But are they really so blind that they can't admit that they sometimes allow it to happen to themselves? I pity them. Most adults can and will admit their own mistakes when making a bad decision. Perhaps they just need to grow up.

Well,

My daughter is half moroccan and her dad used a woman to come here and its really just common place and knowledge to the point they give us names, BOATS. There are some real love relationships between Moroccans and Americans and sometimes the Moroccans just get so used to life here that they adjust to the way things are. I love my daughter and yes I consider her Moroccan and its hurtful to call all Moroccans trash...there are plenty of other mena countries that have their share of scammers. If I had a dime for every guy I have met who s wife either had a drug or alcohol problem and thats why the poor thing left, I d be rich ( the guy) I have also seen Moroccans get very used to Americans even if they used one, go back and marry another because they want a wife who will work and pay half the bills and cant tow the arabic husband I pay all the bills line

In closing,

Yes alot the mena men are scammers in marriages with us but I really love my daughter and cannot support someone calling Moroccans trash because she is the love of my life (although her Moroccan family had done absolutlely nothing for her her whole life and her dad avoids child support until he is at the brink of arrest. How they couldnt love her and how he couldnt be a kind and decent person is beyond me

He made a moroccan girl abort at 5 months because he strung her along until she was 5 months and wouldnt marry her and she had to have a late term abortion to save her face and another girl he took her virginity and then she almost threw herself in front of a train..so we are not the only ones who get hurt, its their women too

Anyway, I just love my Moroccan daughter and I never want her to grow and up and feel like shes trash because some guys from her country do evil opportunistic stuff to get papers...

Thats my take

its trash in morocco. not everyone is trash in morocco. the individuals highlighted as users are the trash i guess. not sure why you would take it personally. its like if someone from another country created a FB group called fatties in america. clearly not all americans are fatties. if i were fat, i might get offended, but i am not, so whats the point? your daughter isnt trash and doesnt even fit the demographic to be a green card using male so i wouldnt worry about it.

That's funny! and i wouldn't be surprised if there were was a group in FB with this

[allousa 1]

When I saw the pictures of the "hovel" that woman was living in and the remarks said "This is where he made me live."....I was like oh h-e-l-l to the NO!!!!!! I don't care if his "chalupa" had a silver bell hanging from it....I wouldn't live there!!!!!! NOBODY makes me do something I don't want to do.....

Okay...maybe except my son who makes me play cars and trains and stuff.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

When I saw the pictures of the "hovel" that woman was living in and the remarks said "This is where he made me live."....I was like oh h-e-l-l to the NO!!!!!! I don't care if his "chalupa" had a silver bell hanging from it....I wouldn't live there!!!!!! NOBODY makes me do something I don't want to do.....

Okay...maybe except my son who makes me play cars and trains and stuff.

I had to repost this post from a moroccan woman I found about 4 years ago...It was so funny I saved it

Enjoy

written by a Moroccan woman about American women

Fellah

Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..

Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

[allousa 1]

I guess I'm not getting what is so funny about that?

[Kenza 1]

When I saw the pictures of the "hovel" that woman was living in and the remarks said "This is where he made me live."....I was like oh h-e-l-l to the NO!!!!!! I don't care if his "chalupa" had a silver bell hanging from it....I wouldn't live there!!!!!! NOBODY makes me do something I don't want to do.....

Okay...maybe except my son who makes me play cars and trains and stuff.

and about the post that Hanginginthere wrote: Definitely NOT funny...

The process is kind of long but not unbearable!

[Kenza 1]

That group should be banned!

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

When I saw the pictures of the "hovel" that woman was living in and the remarks said "This is where he made me live."....I was like oh h-e-l-l to the NO!!!!!! I don't care if his "chalupa" had a silver bell hanging from it....I wouldn't live there!!!!!! NOBODY makes me do something I don't want to do.....

Okay...maybe except my son who makes me play cars and trains and stuff.

and about the post that Hanginginthere wrote: Definitely NOT funny...

The process is kind of long but not unbearable!

Its not a post that I wrote. I copied it off a moroccan forum called El Kariya where a group of Moroccans were having a passionate discussion of how funny the whole thing is.

I know its not funny.

As far as the facebook group, if you really know the stories behind what happened to the women on there, and especially the canadian system where someone literally arrives with the permanent greencard,you have to really stand back and think. Of course its upsetting but the reality is that LAWRIAT and passe le service de militaire are actual terms for being married to a foreigner to get your papers. It literally is part of the culture. Can you imagine handing your paycheck over to your husband to have him have a wife back home and took all your money to build a house back there? That has actually happened to a couple of the women there. Do I feel all Moroccans should be painted with the same brush. NO. My daughter is Moroccan. But this post is from a moroccan website and written by a moroccan and the darja that was posted is very common knowledge.

I do not think they all should be labeled. I think this Teresa person is a little off the chain but they deserve a right to tak about what happened to them and if it pisses people off that a western ex wife who got used and abused financally emotionally and every other wise wants to mouth off, let her. Its the first time that I have ever seen really a gathering place for women who have been through it. Its infuriating yes. But as the mother of a Moroccan and a friend of many, what some of these guys are doing is #######. Ask yourself why Casa is so high fraud....and its women too...And no its not just Morocco but its very very very prevalent to the point its actually named

LAWRIAT

MARRIAGE BLANCHE

PASSE LE SERVICE DU MILITAIRE

I have no problem with her having the group. I am not joining it but its her right to talk..

again I didnt write the post a Moroccan did

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

When I saw the pictures of the "hovel" that woman was living in and the remarks said "This is where he made me live."....I was like oh h-e-l-l to the NO!!!!!! I don't care if his "chalupa" had a silver bell hanging from it....I wouldn't live there!!!!!! NOBODY makes me do something I don't want to do.....

Okay...maybe except my son who makes me play cars and trains and stuff.

and about the post that Hanginginthere wrote: Definitely NOT funny...

The process is kind of long but not unbearable!

I literally had a north african friend of mine tell me its very hachouma for a North African to have a marriage with an older westerner and imply it was for anything else than papers.

Second, there is something very different going on in the magreb

Cousin marriage

I met a north african who literallly married the son of her aunt ( first cousin) and marrying second cousins is extremely common place in some magrebian communities. Those cousins some of these women visit and give gifts to actually end up marrying the guys once they get their citizenship and yes its normal and common place to marry your cousin over there. Its normal to fall in love with your cousin, have kids with your cousin

I literally ate dinner last week with a couple who the wifes dad was the brother of the husbands mom

How that made it though USCIS I do not know

They were north african and had 2 little kids so this is extremely commonplace.

Are these just weird little things we just dont face, I dont know. I think if I was married to a moroccan I would ask them alot about these cultural norms to be able to understand the culture

I think maybe people in big cities dont do this..Feedback? I have seen it so many times now I am wondering

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

That group should be banned!

Kenza I want to empasize to you that like you, My daughter is Moroccan American. I dont want you to think that I think this is EVERYONE. Its not. But to act like its not happening is very unfair to the women who are western who have been financially exploited and mistreated. What happened to them is very very real.

The physical violence is very real. The woman is crazed and ambivalent but it isnt just one, let the forum stay open and I think as word gets around it will get bigger and bigger. The fact they are posting the other womans and moroccan wife and fiancees pictures is the real kicker.

This is just very common and a painful reality and even if it doesnt happen to anyone here, I think the girl should clean up her language and stick to the facts and it would be alot less offensive

[Kenza 1]

That group should be banned!

Kenza I want to empasize to you that like you, My daughter is Moroccan American. I dont want you to think that I think this is EVERYONE. Its not. But to act like its not happening is very unfair to the women who are western who have been financially exploited and mistreated. What happened to them is very very real.

The physical violence is very real. The woman is crazed and ambivalent but it isnt just one, let the forum stay open and I think as word gets around it will get bigger and bigger. The fact they are posting the other womans and moroccan wife and fiancees pictures is the real kicker.

This is just very common and a painful reality and even if it doesnt happen to anyone here, I think the girl should clean up her language and stick to the facts and it would be alot less offensive

I knew what you meant about that post no worries and I thought that facebook group should be banned because it's not even a group-it's one person complaining and has no real advice on how to avoid fraud. Anyway...I know it happens everywhere but usually the red flags are there (I know, not always). I am married to my first cousin and have had no problems. I have nothing against you Hanging in there-keep the peace Masalama

[sandinista! 1,816]

This is just very common and a painful reality and even if it doesnt happen to anyone here, I think the girl should clean up her language and stick to the facts and it would be alot less offensive

that's just the thing though-these things always dissolve into this kind of trash. the daniel pipes fans and little green footballs crowd crawls out from under their rocks and have a field day with it. i don't think it should be banned on that basis (i hate the idea of prohibiting others' expression, even if it's expression that i despise), but the idea that groups like this can be maintained with fairness and balance is just delusional.

[allousa 1]

When I saw the pictures of the "hovel" that woman was living in and the remarks said "This is where he made me live."....I was like oh h-e-l-l to the NO!!!!!! I don't care if his "chalupa" had a silver bell hanging from it....I wouldn't live there!!!!!! NOBODY makes me do something I don't want to do.....

Okay...maybe except my son who makes me play cars and trains and stuff.

I had to repost this post from a moroccan woman I found about 4 years ago...It was so funny I saved it

You precluded your post by saying it was "so funny". I was just stating I didn't find humor in the post.

I am not in anyway denying that their are scammers in Morocco. Heck they are in every country in the world as far as I'm concerned. And don't mistake my comments for saying that they don't deserve alot of blame and ire from these ladies because what they did was really awful and heartbreaking....BUT

I do think some of the ladies do bear SOME responsiblity for ignoring the red flags that led into these relationships.

Certainly you can find transatlantic love and it CAN happen via online relationships. BUT I liken it to this: If someone is walking around in a pit of snakes KNOWING the possible dangers and they get bit....you gonna blame the snake?

And what I REALLY don't get is that if you've been bit....WHY OH WHY are you going BACK into the pit again?????

[Jenn! 918]

Certainly you can find transatlantic love and it CAN happen via online relationships. BUT I liken it to this: If someone is walking around in a pit of snakes KNOWING the possible dangers and they get bit....you gonna blame the snake?

I get what you're saying, and I do think that people need to take responsibility for their bad choices, but I also absolutely think that at the end of the day you do have to blame the snake. I think that scammers use that exact type of analogy to justify what they are doing. People who exploit weakness and desperation must be held accountable.

As a separate comment (don't want to imply that you've suggested otherwise), I know that all of us here don't believe that all Moroccan men are scammers, and many people in that group will admit the same. But I also don't think that being Moroccan is irrelevant to the discussion. This type of relationship fraud really does seem to be rampant in Morocco, moreso than other countries. And I don't believe it is entirely due to economics. There are other poor countries where it doesn't seem to be quite the phenomenon it is in Morocco.