You are right to Question,

[gregorypapago 0]

Its a bit disconcerning,when we hear some one divulge any particular degrading of facts about a system which

is designed to bring,our wifes ,fiances,and Asian Friends to the states.Its a disaster to contend that all views are offeri-

ing a context that evades our own trust of the systems in place which have offered only happiness to so many applican-

ts. Its a rebuttal that does not register,as ,many people are similarily passing their interviews ,with ease.The ones they

see receiving the other color slips,make them happy not to be one of those people and soon you forget them and are

pleased with your own good luck of having all the players in place,and your home-run intact.

Naturally the people whom were not passed,spent the same kinds of money,went to the same places,(or like places)

had the same physicals,endured the long waits.Rode the same familiar transportation conveniences,to the interviews an

d other areas in the course of finalizing the documents.These are the common areas,which most share.Their thoughts are all about the United States,and will they pass the Interviews.

Then about those at the final moments,and you watch,other people leave with white slips,Pink,and sometimes another

color.You are the twentieth person and the last for today.Out of twenty people you are the only one to manage a Visa

acceptance.Just what was wrong with so many,before you,that did not pass,such dismal short interview.(Do You really

care? You have your Visa.) The formalities are over,and when you go down the stairs,none of the women before you,

who did not get a Visa,are gone.Only ones lingering are all those whom passed.Smiling, laughing,happy,just like you are

.What could be wrong with a system which makes so many women happy?! What could be wrong with a system that

is responsible for so many women,that are not happy?!

Yes you can question those whom are very hurt,and question those whom make seemingly unwarranted capsizing

and questionable defamatory remarks,against a system,which is absolutely unfair in merit,well as justified.The remarks

which we do not agree with are welcomed,or perhaps the person would not have openly opened themselves to debate

and so much critisms,and harsh defending attitudes,towards a system which did not alter their lives at all,and fail to

realize,you do not have to be a proffessional to have your life altered by sub bordinate officials,and have a Visa denied.

This changes your life as much as having a visa granted .

When Notable Lawyers ,take the case to further levels in the states and their clients are being denied visas and he

has to refund the money for his services is not productive.When a respected and reknown lawyer from a large city

in the states,begins having denials in the Guangzhou Embassy,and the others are not,there is a problem.When the

lawyer travels to other countries and into China,many times through out the year,and has done it for 18 years or more

and denotes Guangzhou as the trouble area,its realative.So you have a right to question the facts as you dont know

them,and not even aware of taking place in your new world of apply-ing for a Visa.You should ask questions I am very

doubtful as the lawyer,that the Consulate are really going to go Public with all these new requirements they manifest

to gain extra revenue,and have it taken away from them.The lawyer,was here for ten days,and was treated no differe

ently than an applicant,when he also asked questions,and was given no direct answers why his clients very seldom

are receiving Visas.This Lawyer is not a stranger to the Guangzhou,Embassy,after visiting once a year.Yes,question me

and doubt,for thats what this forum is to functioning as.(remember,we all learn new information in our lives,and when

we should be made aware of changes,known or unknown,we must have a good idea of what we are defenfending,be

fore we become familiar with any new facts that are subjective to a system which most people are comfortable with.

For the Nay Sayers and questionable characters such as myself.I will let you find the lawyers I am describing,and

see if you can research and find their office,and its satalite offices around the world,with the main office being in the

states.(Then at a later time,I will then tell you his name,and where his office is.Then if you have had any bad luck

or know some stories,that are really bad experiences about the Guangzhou,Embassy,to join the list which the lawyer

is preparing for Washington,to change the things which need changing for Americans who want Visas,and cant have

them because of actual discrimination,of the applicants and their Petitions.

Trust me,This is all real,and not from other forums.

This lawyer is on the way to helping me,to help get the visa my wife and me,met the requirements for,and because

of the obvious,we were denied,as such protocol detailed in the new HomeLand Security Measures for returning Amer

icans and their wives. Think about it!!!

My pleasure.

Thanks

[Dakine 26]

Could you condense it all?

Difficult to follow.

[endoftheroad 1]

... Notable Lawyers ... respected and reknown lawyer from a large city

in the states... not a stranger to the Guangzhou,Embassy... I will let you find the lawyers I am describing,and see if you can research and find their office,and its satalite offices around the world,with the main office being in the states.(Then at a later time,I will then tell you his name,and where his office is.Then if you have had any bad luck or know some stories,that are really bad experiences about the Guangzhou,Embassy,to join the list which the lawyer is preparing for Washington,to change the things which need changing for Americans who want Visas,and cant have them because of actual discrimination,of the applicants and their Petitions... This lawyer is on the way to helping me,to help get the visa my wife and me,met the requirements for,and because of the obvious,we were denied,as such protocol detailed in the new HomeLand Security Measures for returning Americans and their wives.

Are you talking about Roth? http://www.arctec.com/guangzhou-problems.html

You are the beneficiary right?

[gogo 6]

or you can just use my "secret" list of contacts.. hehe.. I think those will help you much better..

[Eric & Jin 10]

John Roth's efforts are pretty well known throughout the boards and are to be commended. He has already compiled his list of GUZ horror stories and sent them off in a well thought out and written memorandum to various figures in Washington but unfortunately has only received meaningless form letters, if anything, in reply.

I don't think that anyone is saying that we should not question the visa approval/review practices that go on at the Guangzhou Consulate, in fact I agree that we should 100% and believe in some cases that it is still a ####### shoot of whether a visa will be approved or not. However what most of us disagreed with was your statement in another thread where by you asserted that if you as the petitioner are at least 10 years older than your beneficiary and are not also wealthy then you are guaranteed to have your visa denied. There have been too many other couples, including myself, who fit into this category and who have had their visas successfully approved in GUZ to prove your assertion as being false.

[endoftheroad 1]

Link to Roth's Memo, good reading: http://www.ilw.com/articles/2009,0623-roth.pdf

[justashooter 430]

GUZ bumps a lot of frauds and people without legitimate relationships. so what? it's their job.

[endoftheroad 1]

GUZ bumps a lot of frauds and people without legitimate relationships. so what? it's their job.

Uh, the problem is THEY DON'T DO THEIR JOB correctly all time. That's what. Didn't you read the Roth link?

[justashooter 430]

GUZ bumps a lot of frauds and people without legitimate relationships. so what? it's their job.

Uh, the problem is THEY DON'T DO THEIR JOB correctly all time. That's what. Didn't you read the Roth link?

you and i might define "legitimate relationship" differently.

[endoftheroad 1]

GUZ bumps a lot of frauds and people without legitimate relationships. so what? it's their job.

Uh, the problem is THEY DON'T DO THEIR JOB correctly all time. That's what. Didn't you read the Roth link?

you and i might define "legitimate relationship" differently.

After reading all your posts degrading Chinese women I am sure we do have different definitions.

[Darnell 8,479]

Gregory - are you saying your atty is ROTH, and your lass failed on the interview?

I'd love to know a bit more about what was 'the obvious' for your denial.

TIA !

[justashooter 430]

Could you condense it all?

Difficult to follow.

written in chinglish, by a chinese, so lots of repetition and use of 25 cent words that are not applicable.

[justashooter 430]

GUZ bumps a lot of frauds and people without legitimate relationships. so what? it's their job.

Uh, the problem is THEY DON'T DO THEIR JOB correctly all time. That's what. Didn't you read the Roth link?

you and i might define "legitimate relationship" differently.

After reading all your posts degrading Chinese women I am sure we do have different definitions.

none of my posts have been "degrading" to chinese women. some have been critical of the chinese culture, in general. corruption, deception, fraud, and other unethical behaviours should be criticised, and chinese coming to America should understand that what is considered the normal practice in their culture does not fly in America. in America, Americans get to make the rules, and people wanting to come here need to adapt their thinking. that's just the way it is.

when attempting to immigrate to America a chinese must understand that their "relationship" will be viewed in light of the American standard, which involves respect, compassion, caretaking, attraction, friendship, etc. all of these are based in an emotional bond. the chinese relationship does not always contain all of these factors, and is often not based upon an emotional bond. rather, it is most often based upon a cynical assesment of potential for gain. USCIS is not interested in hearing that this is "the chinese way". their reply to such is "stay in china, then".

[Darnell 8,479]

Gregory - I had a lot of problem understand yer posts in this topic - but -

I'd be happy to read them in yer original language - if you have a moment or two, can you repost in your native language?

xie xie ni

[missmissy 38]

I did this so I could read it and understand - not butting in.

Its a bit disconcerning when we hear someone divulge any particular degrading facts about a system which

is designed to bring our wifes, fiances,and Asian Friends to the states. Its a disaster to contend that all views are offeri-

ing a context that evades our own trust of the systems in place, which have offered only happiness to so many applicants.

Its a rebuttal that does not register, as many people are similarily passing their interviews with ease. The ones they

see receiving the other color slips make them happy not to be one of those people and soon you forget them and are

pleased with your own good luck of having all the players in place and your home-run intact.

Naturally the people whom were not passed spent the same kind of money, went to the same places (or like places),

had the same physicals, endured the long waits. Rode the same familiar transportation to the interviews and other areas in the course of finalizing the documents. These are the common areas which most share. Their thoughts are all about the United States and will they pass the Interviews.

Then about those at the final moments and you watch other people leave with white slips, Pink and sometimes another

color. You are the twentieth person and the last for today. Out of twenty people you are the only one to manage a Visa

acceptance. Just what was wrong with so many before you that did not pass such dismal short interview. (Do You really

care? You have your Visa.) The formalities are over and when you go down the stairs none of the women before you

who did not get a Visa, are gone. Only ones lingering are all those whom passed. Smiling, laughing, happy, just like you are.

What could be wrong with a system which makes so many women happy?! What could be wrong with a system that

is responsible for so many women that are not happy?!

Yes you can question those whom are very hurt and question those whom make seemingly unwarranted, capsizing

and questionable defamatory remarks against a system which is absolutely unfair in merit as well justified. The remarks which we do not agree with are welcomedor perhaps the person would not have openly opened themselves to debate and so much critisms and harsh defending attitudes towards a system which did not alter their lives at all and fail to realize you do not have to be a proffessional to have your life altered by subbordinate officials and have a Visa denied.

This changes your life as much as having a visa granted .

When Notable Lawyers take the case to further levels in the states and their clients are being denied visas and he

has to refund the money for his services is not productive. When a respected and reknown lawyer from a large city

in the states begins having denials in the Guangzhou Embassy and the others are not, there is a problem. When the

lawyer travels to other countries and into China, many times throughout the year ,and has done it for 18 years or more

and denotes Guangzhou as the trouble area, its realative. So you have a right to question the facts as you dont know

them, not even aware of taking place in your new world of applying for a Visa. You should ask questions. I am very

doubtful as the lawyer, that the Consulate are really going to go Public with all these new requirements they manifest

to gain extra revenue, and have it taken away from them. The lawyer,was here for ten days and was treated no differently than an applicant. When he also asked questions, and was given no direct answers why his clients very seldom are receiving Visas. This Lawyer is not a stranger to the Guangzhou Embassy after visiting once a year.

Yes, question me and doubt, for thats what this forum is to functioning as. Remember, we all learn new information in our lives and when we should be made aware of changes, known or unknown, we must have a good idea of what we are defenfending before we become familiar with any new facts that are subjective to a system which most people are comfortable with.

For the Nay Sayers and questionable characters such as myself, I will let you find the lawyers I am describing,and

see if you can research and find their office and its satalite offices around the world with the main office being in the

states. Then at a later time, I will then tell you his name and where his office is. Then if you have had any bad luck

or know some stories that are really bad experiences about the Guangzhou Embassy, to join the list which the lawyer

is preparing for Washington to change the things which need changing for Americans who want Visas,and cant have

them because of actual discrimination,of the applicants and their Petitions.

Trust me, This is all real,and not from other forums.

This lawyer is on the way to helping me to help get the visa. My wife and me met the requirements and because

of the obvious,we were denied as such protocol detailed in the new HomeLand Security Measures for returning Americans and their wives. Think about it!!!

My pleasure.