Will you be a 'socialist' on the day that 'earning' your health insurance is not enough?

[EasternDE 35]

There's a very simple fact I haven't readen in all those topics debating about this new health system in the US.

Health expenses in the US cost 6% of the GDP more than any other developped country for 16% less of the population.

It doesn't seem to bug anyone to pay 6% more for less?

Or do you people think you're really paying those extra 6% for a better service?

It's been a long time I wanted to ask, this topic is the lucky winner.

[rebeccajo 14]

MC,six and Steve . Whats the diff between you guys and a begger on the street with a cardboard sign wantin a handout? ......................None! your just cleaner.

And you're somehow you're better? Unless you live in the wilderness, you are as much a dependent on the very government you despise as anyone else. Bleeding hypocrite.

The beggar on the street can probably receive Medicaid. MC, six and Steve (if they lost their employer provided health care) likely could not. They'd be caught in the middle. They'd be caught between the beggar and you. They would have worked and paid taxes all their lives, but at the moment they lose their coverage they become - what?What would you call them?

Freeloaders? Socialists?

I dare you to call a person who has worked all their lives, paid taxes and done their part for the Great Wheel of American Captialism anything less than what they are - a taxpayer.

I would strongly advise them to find another job. If they dont wanna do that, then he!! just become medicaid eligible. Or you could just sit around and complain about how tough things are.

Sure, they can find another job. But that could take some time, you know. In the meanwhile a medical condition could crop up.

We don't have any health insurance at the moment. It hasn't been long - less than six weeks actually. Just Saturday the husband noticed a lump on his groin area. So you have all the nightmare stuff running through your head about 'what could it be' along with 'how the hell are we going to pay for this'? Today he went to the doctor - it's probably a minor problem that can be settled with antibiotic. She gave us a 50% discount for the visit and the meds were generic so they didn't cost a fortune. So we are probably safe this time unless the gland doesn't settle down - then we are looking at a minor surgical procedure which - who knows how much 'minor' will cost.

It can happen to anybody.

And for your further edification, it's not so easy to become 'medicaid eligible'. In most states, adults have to be drawing Social Security. It ain't easy to get Social Security disability - in case you haven't heard.

The whole point of this thread was to ask a question - what will you do the day your employer stops your health coverage? There is plenty of evidence that if there is nothing done, employers could stop covering their workers altogether or else ask them to pay such a large portion of the premium that they effectively become 'disemployed'.

I have to say that I'm not a bit surprised to see MOST of the usual crowed who cry the loudest against reform have remained fairly mute in the thread. Perhaps the question is just a bit too 'personal' once they really thought about it. Namecalling and generalizing is easy, after all, as long it's about 'those other people'.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

There's a very simple fact I haven't readen in all those topics debating about this new health system in the US.

Health expenses in the US cost 6% of the GDP more than any other developped country for 16% less of the population.

It doesn't seem to bug anyone to pay 6% more for less?

Or do you people think you're really paying those extra 6% for a better service?

It's been a long time I wanted to ask, this topic is the lucky winner.

I want the government to nationalize the whole thing, but I will take single payer in the meantime. That way it don't matter what it costs. Just tax the rich to pay for it all, starting with the doctors, lawyers, and insurance executives, oh, and tax the ###### out of the politicians too.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

There's a very simple fact I haven't readen in all those topics debating about this new health system in the US.

Health expenses in the US cost 6% of the GDP more than any other developped country for 16% less of the population.

It doesn't seem to bug anyone to pay 6% more for less?

Or do you people think you're really paying those extra 6% for a better service?

It's been a long time I wanted to ask, this topic is the lucky winner.

Opponents of health care reform either:

1. Don't believe that reforming our current health care will bring that number down.

2. Don't want to pay for those who cannot.

3. Just want to see Obama fail so they can vote another Republican into the WH.

[AlHayatZween 2]

Sure, they can find another job. But that could take some time, you know. In the meanwhile a medical condition could crop up.

We don't have any health insurance at the moment. It hasn't been long - less than six weeks actually. Just Saturday the husband noticed a lump on his groin area. So you have all the nightmare stuff running through your head about 'what could it be' along with 'how the hell are we going to pay for this'? Today he went to the doctor - it's probably a minor problem that can be settled with antibiotic. She gave us a 50% discount for the visit and the meds were generic so they didn't cost a fortune. So we are probably safe this time unless the gland doesn't settle down - then we are looking at a minor surgical procedure which - who knows how much 'minor' will cost.

It can happen to anybody.

Having been in similar boats myself, hope he feels better... and good luck!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

There's a very simple fact I haven't readen in all those topics debating about this new health system in the US.

Health expenses in the US cost 6% of the GDP more than any other developped country for 16% less of the population.

It doesn't seem to bug anyone to pay 6% more for less?

Or do you people think you're really paying those extra 6% for a better service?

It's been a long time I wanted to ask, this topic is the lucky winner.

I want the government to nationalize the whole thing, but I will take single payer in the meantime. That way it don't matter what it costs. Just tax the rich to pay for it all, starting with the doctors, lawyers, and insurance executives, oh, and tax the ###### out of the politicians too.

Why would you be in favor of national healthcare but oppose Social Security?

Edited August 20, 2009 by Col. 'Bat' Guano

[rebeccajo 14]

There's a very simple fact I haven't readen in all those topics debating about this new health system in the US.

Health expenses in the US cost 6% of the GDP more than any other developped country for 16% less of the population.

It doesn't seem to bug anyone to pay 6% more for less?

Or do you people think you're really paying those extra 6% for a better service?

It's been a long time I wanted to ask, this topic is the lucky winner.

I want the government to nationalize the whole thing, but I will take single payer in the meantime. That way it don't matter what it costs. Just tax the rich to pay for it all, starting with the doctors, lawyers, and insurance executives, oh, and tax the ###### out of the politicians too.

You know, when I came to Vj this morning and saw Marc post the clip from "John Adams" I had to watch the clip - I just loved that series. Adams refers in his speech to "Princes" - that the common man is just as deserving of what a Prince has. I wondered later what Adams would think of modern day members of Congress sitting at the top of government with their fabulous health care package while 15% of the population have none.

Sure, they can find another job. But that could take some time, you know. In the meanwhile a medical condition could crop up.

We don't have any health insurance at the moment. It hasn't been long - less than six weeks actually. Just Saturday the husband noticed a lump on his groin area. So you have all the nightmare stuff running through your head about 'what could it be' along with 'how the hell are we going to pay for this'? Today he went to the doctor - it's probably a minor problem that can be settled with antibiotic. She gave us a 50% discount for the visit and the meds were generic so they didn't cost a fortune. So we are probably safe this time unless the gland doesn't settle down - then we are looking at a minor surgical procedure which - who knows how much 'minor' will cost.

It can happen to anybody.

Having been in similar boats myself, hope he feels better... and good luck!

Thanks.

We were just relieved it isn't the big "C".

Edited August 20, 2009 by rebeccajo

[mawilson 2,133]

Thanks for what? You've either used the Postal Service or not. It doesn't matter whether you oppose it. All that makes you is a hypocrite. And for the record, you said no government. That would include all government unless you are now saying local and state government is ok to be dependent on, but not Federal.

My beef is with the Federal Government - the Republican-Democrat Corporate Fascist Regime

in Washington, DC - not state or local governments.

I don't want the Federal Government involved in any aspect of my life, period. Their job is

to enforce the law and keep people from harm. There is no Constitutional basis for the Federal

Government to be involved in education, health, social welfare, or a thousand other things they

have stuck their nose into.

Using the USPS doesn't make me a hypocrite if the Federal Government made it a crime to use

anything else.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

There's a very simple fact I haven't readen in all those topics debating about this new health system in the US.

Health expenses in the US cost 6% of the GDP more than any other developped country for 16% less of the population.

It doesn't seem to bug anyone to pay 6% more for less?

Or do you people think you're really paying those extra 6% for a better service?

It's been a long time I wanted to ask, this topic is the lucky winner.

I want the government to nationalize the whole thing, but I will take single payer in the meantime. That way it don't matter what it costs. Just tax the rich to pay for it all, starting with the doctors, lawyers, and insurance executives, oh, and tax the ###### out of the politicians too.

Why would you be in favor of national healthcare but oppose Social Security?

I prefer the government taking over the entire healthcare delivery system over the stealing of the earnings of our youth to tranfer even more wealth to the segment of the population that has the most of it. Just put the old folks in the back room where they belong, and let them take of the kids while the parents go off to work. Social security is a ridiculous ponzi scheme, and you know it.

Edited August 20, 2009 by Mister_Bill

[mawilson 2,133]

Or do you people think you're really paying those extra 6% for a better service?

Yes.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I wonder if he's familiar with the Whiskey Rebellion?

[rebeccajo 14]

I prefer the government taking over the entire healthcare delivery system over the stealing the earnings of our youth to tranfer even more wealth to the segment of the population that has the most of it. Just the old folks in the back room where they belong, and let them take of the kids while the parents go off to work. Social security is a ridiculous ponzi scheme, and you know it.

Jeez. Almost sounds like a 'death panel' school of thought.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I prefer the government taking over the entire healthcare delivery system over the stealing the earnings of our youth to tranfer even more wealth to the segment of the population that has the most of it. Just put the old folks in the back room where they belong, and let them take of the kids while the parents go off to work. Social security is a ridiculous ponzi scheme, and you know it.

Jeez. Almost sounds like a 'death panel' school of thought.

[rebeccajo 14]

Or do you people think you're really paying those extra 6% for a better service?

Yes.

I'll tell you what - I firmly believe the quality of care you get anywhere in the modern world has little to do with what you pay for the care and everything to do with the kind of person your Doctor is.

[EasternDE 35]

Opponents of health care reform either:

1. Don't believe that reforming our current health care will bring that number down.

2. Don't want to pay for those who cannot.

3. Just want to see Obama fail so they can vote another Republican into the WH.

So if I understand correctly, some people don't care paying 6% extra as long as they don't pay anything for anyone else?