Will you be a 'socialist' on the day that 'earning' your health insurance is not enough?

[mawilson 2,133]

Yes - too bad that civilization and industry came along so that a person doesn't have to go out and kill their supper with a spear or else starve.

Too bad people rely on the government rather than themselves.

My life sucks, waaaa waaaa! Help me Uncle Sam!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yes - too bad that civilization and industry came along so that a person doesn't have to go out and kill their supper with a spear or else starve.

Too bad people rely on the government rather than themselves.

My life sucks, waaaa waaaa! Help me Uncle Sam!

Yeah - there's absolutely no point in voting or having a political process, because it totally has nothing to do with improving people's lives.

I say we go back to being tribesmen and having chieftains elected by the age-old ritual of trial by combat.

[mawilson 2,133]

Yes - too bad that civilization and industry came along so that a person doesn't have to go out and kill their supper with a spear or else starve.

Too bad people rely on the government rather than themselves.

My life sucks, waaaa waaaa! Help me Uncle Sam!

Yeah - there's absolutely no point in voting or having a political process, because it totally has nothing to do with improving people's lives.

It's not the government's job to "help people" (as Liberals believe) or to enforce morality (as Conservatives believe).

It is to protect individuals from being "helped" by the Liberals or forced to follow moral codes by the

Conservatives.

"Establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general

welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity"

[one...two...tree 2,762]

"If man were nothing more than a bundle of hedonistic instincts, however, whose cognitive ability were limited to sense certainty, mankind would today be no more than a few million bestial individuals on the entire planet, scratching out an existence in the dirt."

.....

"...the idea of man living in accordance with natural law, does not mean searching for some set of fixed laws, floating off in the heavens. Rather, man lives in coherence with natural law, by ordering society according to the powers of creative reason... "

[mawilson 2,133]

There's a difference between "promoting general welfare" and babying the population with welfare handouts.

[Peikko 1,575]

There's a difference between "promoting general welfare" and babying the population with welfare handouts.

How do you 'promote general welfare'? Let's leave out the pejorative 'babying' as if somehow those who accept welfare are all demanding ne'erdowells by the way, that's simply using right wing rhetoric to demonize what is essentially assistance for those falling on hard times who would otherwise perhaps literally starve to death.

Or perhaps you welcome the notion of bringing back the poor houses?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

There's a difference between "promoting general welfare" and babying the population with welfare handouts.

How do you 'promote general welfare'? Let's leave out the pejorative 'babying' as if somehow those who accept welfare are all demanding ne'erdowells by the way, that's simply using right wing rhetoric to demonize what is essentially assistance for those falling on hard times who would otherwise perhaps literally starve to death.

Or perhaps you welcome the notion of bringing back the poor houses?

Considering the folks that wrote the Constitution, "promote general welfare," more likely than not, means doing what's good for Colonial industry. The original Constitution was written by white men of property, for white men of property. After all, they just fought a war, to free themselves from the restrictions on free commerce imposed by the Crown.

[Peikko 1,575]

There's a difference between "promoting general welfare" and babying the population with welfare handouts.

How do you 'promote general welfare'? Let's leave out the pejorative 'babying' as if somehow those who accept welfare are all demanding ne'erdowells by the way, that's simply using right wing rhetoric to demonize what is essentially assistance for those falling on hard times who would otherwise perhaps literally starve to death.

Or perhaps you welcome the notion of bringing back the poor houses?

Considering the folks that wrote the Constitution, "promote general welfare," more likely than not, means doing what's good for Colonial industry. The original Constitution was written by white men of property, for white men of property. After all, they just fought a war, to free themselves from the restrictions on free commerce imposed by the Crown.

I thought it was totally bad form to interpret the constitution as merely something that pertained to 'privileged whitefolks' or 'outdated arms technology' and the like? I understood said constitution has withstood the test of time and can be viewed through the modern lens with no problems. Perhaps I have been misled?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

MC,six and Steve . Whats the diff between you guys and a begger on the street with a cardboard sign wantin a handout? ......................None! your just cleaner.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

MC,six and Steve . Whats the diff between you guys and a begger on the street with a cardboard sign wantin a handout? ......................None! your just cleaner.

And you're somehow you're better? Unless you live in the wilderness, you are as much a dependent on the very government you despise as anyone else. Bleeding hypocrite.

[rebeccajo 14]

MC,six and Steve . Whats the diff between you guys and a begger on the street with a cardboard sign wantin a handout? ......................None! your just cleaner.

And you're somehow you're better? Unless you live in the wilderness, you are as much a dependent on the very government you despise as anyone else. Bleeding hypocrite.

The beggar on the street can probably receive Medicaid. MC, six and Steve (if they lost their employer provided health care) likely could not. They'd be caught in the middle. They'd be caught between the beggar and you. They would have worked and paid taxes all their lives, but at the moment they lose their coverage they become - what?

What would you call them?

Freeloaders? Socialists?

I dare you to call a person who has worked all their lives, paid taxes and done their part for the Great Wheel of American Captialism anything less than what they are - a taxpayer.

[AlHayatZween 2]

Most people (with health insurance) either get it through work or are able to pay for it.

One would think & hope it were that simple. i just tried to purchase emergency coverage for myself as i was going to be a few weeks w/o coverage till the new plan kicked in...i HAD the money to pay for it... in fact i had been saving money in preparation to pay for it. When i called BCBS, the man literally yelled at me, telling me i should stay in New York to take care of my "pre-existing condition" (even though i had previously had creditable coverage in NY and all the documents to prove it). He refused to quote me a price on the phone, saying it was "too expensive." i had previously been covered AND i had money saved to pay for individual insurance. It was terrible, and i plan on writing to someone about it... i just don't know who??

Hey, i'm in Baton Rouge now... i made it... and back online... trust i didn't miss much?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Most people (with health insurance) either get it through work or are able to pay for it.

One would think & hope it were that simple. i just tried to purchase emergency coverage for myself as i was going to be a few weeks w/o coverage till the new plan kicked in...i HAD the money to pay for it... in fact i had been saving money in preparation to pay for it. When i called BCBS, the man literally yelled at me, telling me i should stay in New York to take care of my "pre-existing condition" (even though i had previously had creditable coverage in NY and all the documents to prove it). He refused to quote me a price on the phone, saying it was "too expensive." i had previously been covered AND i had money saved to pay for individual insurance. It was terrible, and i plan on writing to someone about it... i just don't know who??

Hey, i'm in Baton Rouge now... i made it... and back online... trust i didn't miss much?

Welcome back! Lots of yelling back and forth over health care reform. This is probably the most heated issue we've had in this country in awhile.

Are you doing ok?

[AlHayatZween 2]

I got a question. ####### would you do if you were on your own? I mean ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL alone? No govy, no nothin? What would you do?

if you must know, i would start eating obese people.

[mawilson 2,133]

And you're somehow you're better? Unless you live in the wilderness, you are as much a dependent on the very government you despise as anyone else. Bleeding hypocrite.

Dependent on services which are paid for by my taxes.

Considering the amount of tax I send to Washington, the damn roads should be paved with gold and still have money left over.