blue slip at hcmc over time line

[BinhJerome 14]

Hello all,

I have been reading countless tails of people at HCMC getting a blue slip requesting either a Chronological Time Line, Proof of ex wife for Sponsor, and List of relatives living in the country of the sponsor. This is a trend that we need to band together to stop. I feel that if everyone that gets a blue slip for one or more of these reasons should contact their us congressman or their senator. I also feel we should all complain to the us consulate as well. When we complain we should all mention the benefit to the system if they were to simply tell us to provide this information. It would A. speed up the process, less blue slips=more interviews B. Less paperwork=less expense and C. Less people wanting to kill the Co's If enough of us complain about this maybe they will do something. There are thousands of people that do not use Visa Journey, and they have no idea that these things need to be sent in. I was one of those many people. I also know that many of you might be scared of reprisals from the co, so I would not do anything until after your partner is with you. Lets all band together and help get the pink's rolling again!!! Stop the crying and start the celebrating

[ScottThuy 140]

a complaint to the ombudsman is appropriate

[luckytxn 2,265]

Probably stopping all the people committing visa fraud at that consulate would be more helpful.

[BinhJerome 14]

Yes stopping all the fraud would be good, but.... that is not possible, so lets concentrate on what we can do and that is trying to let petitioners be better informed on what is needed. In a perfect world they would all be pink and there would be no fraud, but wake up this world is far from perfect, so lets try t change the system so that they can tell us the first time what we need so that we can stop the "ohh sorry, we now need this even though we never told you we would need this" marry-go-round

[ScottThuy 140]

Probably stopping all the people committing visa fraud at that consulate would be more helpful.

Visa fraud comes right after world peace

[fred n Dao Honey 0]

Hello all,

I have been reading countless tails of people at HCMC getting a blue slip requesting either a Chronological Time Line, Proof of ex wife for Sponsor, and List of relatives living in the country of the sponsor. This is a trend that we need to band together to stop. I feel that if everyone that gets a blue slip for one or more of these reasons should contact their us congressman or their senator. I also feel we should all complain to the us consulate as well. When we complain we should all mention the benefit to the system if they were to simply tell us to provide this information. It would A. speed up the process, less blue slips=more interviews B. Less paperwork=less expense and C. Less people wanting to kill the Co's If enough of us complain about this maybe they will do something. There are thousands of people that do not use Visa Journey, and they have no idea that these things need to be sent in. I was one of those many people. I also know that many of you might be scared of reprisals from the co, so I would not do anything until after your partner is with you. Lets all band together and help get the pink's rolling again!!! Stop the crying and start the celebrating

I agree with you about banding together. Also agree about "scared of reprisals". The problem with the whole visa system is it does not follow through with all three parts of our government. The checks and balance of law include the judicary system. If you were able to apeal a CO decision to a judge or jury of common sense. Many of these cases would be overturned in a court of law. As more get overturned there would be less personal opinion of fraud by the CO. Now for the later post of getting the fraud to stop. IF our government agressively prosecuted the fraud cases and started deporting the strings of fraud participants even after they get citizenship and jail those that were born here they would stop. The truth is, No very few go to jail for VISA fraud.

I have not figured the answer yet but, you are correct about banding together.

Good luck to all

[NQT1976 1]

I dont think we can do anything, the CO gave blue slips they have their reason. they tried to help USC, in my case I'm very angry at them but I think they are right, they are training to prevent fraud.

I see some viet kieu comeback to vietnam marriage his wife which was a cave ( gai mat xa, gai vu truong ..) , some girl while her husband come back to US she sleep with other guys even used his money spend over other guys.

about american ? they dont know anything about history of a girl oversea, 100% of them are for green card and money.

I'm not mean all of them, only about 30% are true love, the rest are for money and green card, and dont for get one small but it exist they say " lam di bon phuong chua mot phuong lay chong" .

those girl are innocent, they just want to make money for their family, because their is no job in the country for them to do or the job overthere not made too much money.

they destroyed the beauty of vietnamese vomen.

[BinhJerome 14]

I dont think we can do anything, the CO gave blue slips they have their reason. they tried to help USC, in my case I'm very angry at them but I think they are right, they are training to prevent fraud.

I see some viet kieu comeback to vietnam marriage his wife which was a cave ( gai mat xa, gai vu truong ..) , some girl while her husband come back to US she sleep with other guys even used his money spend over other guys.

about american ? they dont know anything about history of a girl oversea, 100% of them are for green card and money.

I'm not mean all of them, only about 30% are true love, the rest are for money and green card, and dont for get one small but it exist they say " lam di bon phuong chua mot phuong lay chong" .

those girl are innocent, they just want to make money for their family, because their is no job in the country for them to do or the job overthere not made too much money.

they destroyed the beauty of vietnamese vomen.

It is true but a CO has got al documents of a Vietnamese woman. I mean her job, her background and her police record. A CO needs to deduct a case which is 100% not fraud. All a CO requested is timeline or proof of exwife or relatives????

There is a saying BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER. What kind of Vietkieu who choose a CAVE??? Those girls want money in a quick way and not hard working. I respect peolpe use their brain and energy to earn money. There are many kinds of people like that all over the world, not just in Vietnam though.

BINH LE

[NQT1976 1]

Vietkieu dont choose Cave, but they dont know the backgroud of girl and marriage by mistake.

did you ever heard college student sell herself 100-200 usd ? you will never know. you just know that she is college student.

did you ever heard that "gai mat xa" che viet kieu ? she usually made $1000 a month in vietnam. she said that if she can do her job and can get marriaged in vietnam she won marry vietkieu.

it is really so sad, the VC now much richer than vietkieu

[BinhJerome 14]

Vietkieu dont choose Cave, but they dont know the backgroud of girl and marriage by mistake.

did you ever heard college student sell herself 100-200 usd ? you will never know. you just know that she is college student.

did you ever heard that "gai mat xa" che viet kieu ? she usually made $1000 a month in vietnam. she said that if she can do her job and can get marriaged in vietnam she won marry vietkieu.

it is really so sad, the VC now much richer than vietkieu

I know for sure cos I was born in Vietnam and have been ling for 32 years. You may not understand Vietnam well because you are Vietkieu. She, gai cave, can say anything she wants but you do not know it is true or not?

[BinhJerome 14]

Enough about the fraud. This is a post for us to band together and get the rules changed so that they will tell us things we need. If 1000 people this year complain to the USCIS about the fact that the Co in HCMC wants a time line and each of us complain that in the I 129f or the Cr1 that they do not say they require this and if in Packet's 3 & 4 they do not require this that maybe they will start adding this to the list of required documents. With this post I am not combating Visa fraud, I am trying to stop having women and men go home from a interview crying and pissed off because some Co now wants something he/she was never told to get and that if he/she were told that it was needed they would have had it in time for the interview. This affects many people when we get a blue slip. Us in particular had started to plan our wedding, one of the questions the Co had asked my fiancée was when we were planning to get married. Well to make a long story short we got a blue and we were planning on getting married within 30 days of her arrival not waiting until the last minute. Also what about the countless people that do not use Visa Journey??? They have absolutely no clue about this time line that they "REQUIRE" they also have no clue about the proof of residence for the fiancée, or the proof of the petitioners ex wife residence. All 3 of these things get a blue on to regular of a basis. We really only have 3 options people, one is to take it up the rear and deal with it, 2 is to complain and try to get the system changed, or 3 is to just post on this site and hope that people will read, and believe what we say. I have problems with 2 of the 3 options. Most people have already filed the visa application long before they come to Visa Journey, Many people never even know about this website, some people read what they say we need to do "and like me are stubborn" and say to themselves " If they needed a time line or proof of residence surely they would have required it" . And I am not about taking it up the rear. My butt says "EXIT ONLY" so I have a real problem just sitting down and taking it. Please all lets stay on subject. I understand people are in fear of repercussions, so wait until you get the pink before you complain. Maybe as one poster had said we can get some sort of checks and balances at the us consulate, but the ONLY WAY THAT WILL EVER happen is if we stick together and all start to complain. Please feel free to throw your two cents in as this is a topic and I am really interested in any other opinions about helping this travesty get changed. COME ON PEOPLE LETS GET TE PINKS ROLLING THROUGH HCMC AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kevin and 10]

With 20 years experience dealing with fraud, HCMC isn't going to change anytime soon. I don't think that a timeline and list of relatives is that big of a deal. I think its a stall tactic used by the Consulate. Most Blue/Pink/White Slips are ready before the interview takes place. If during the investigation phase the CO finds the case credible, he/she has a Pink Slip ready before the interview. If they have any doubt they issue a blue, whether or not they ask for a time line or send it back to the USCIS depends on how much the doubt the CO has about the case. IMO

The only recourse we possibly have is what Scott suggested and hopefully they will listen. Congress can only help by changing the laws on immigration. How the NVC executes the laws is up to the NVC.

Enough about the fraud. This is a post for us to band together and get the rules changed so that they will tell us things we need. If 1000 people this year complain to the USCIS about the fact that the Co in HCMC wants a time line and each of us complain that in the I 129f or the Cr1 that they do not say they require this and if in Packet's 3 & 4 they do not require this that maybe they will start adding this to the list of required documents. With this post I am not combating Visa fraud, I am trying to stop having women and men go home from a interview crying and pissed off because some Co now wants something he/she was never told to get and that if he/she were told that it was needed they would have had it in time for the interview. This affects many people when we get a blue slip. Us in particular had started to plan our wedding, one of the questions the Co had asked my fiancée was when we were planning to get married. Well to make a long story short we got a blue and we were planning on getting married within 30 days of her arrival not waiting until the last minute. Also what about the countless people that do not use Visa Journey??? They have absolutely no clue about this time line that they "REQUIRE" they also have no clue about the proof of residence for the fiancée, or the proof of the petitioners ex wife residence. All 3 of these things get a blue on to regular of a basis. We really only have 3 options people, one is to take it up the rear and deal with it, 2 is to complain and try to get the system changed, or 3 is to just post on this site and hope that people will read, and believe what we say. I have problems with 2 of the 3 options. Most people have already filed the visa application long before they come to Visa Journey, Many people never even know about this website, some people read what they say we need to do "and like me are stubborn" and say to themselves " If they needed a time line or proof of residence surely they would have required it" . And I am not about taking it up the rear. My butt says "EXIT ONLY" so I have a real problem just sitting down and taking it. Please all lets stay on subject. I understand people are in fear of repercussions, so wait until you get the pink before you complain. Maybe as one poster had said we can get some sort of checks and balances at the us consulate, but the ONLY WAY THAT WILL EVER happen is if we stick together and all start to complain. Please feel free to throw your two cents in as this is a topic and I am really interested in any other opinions about helping this travesty get changed. COME ON PEOPLE LETS GET TE PINKS ROLLING THROUGH HCMC AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dau Que 6]

Let me respond with this story and you draw the conclusion what's my point:

Two fishermen are talking to each other. One asks the other "How can you tell whether a crab is a VNese one or not?". The other one looks puzzled. He's explained next "Quite easily. Look closely inside the container. If you see one crab is trying to climb up and outside the container to escape and being grabbed by other crabs back down, this gotta be VNese crabs. They just can't stand the thought one of their own escapes for freedom. But if you see that escaping crab going away quite easily and not bothered at all by any other crab inside the container, then you can be certain that there's no VNese crab in there!"

I wish you luck with your crusade to save the world.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Enough about the fraud. This is a post for us to band together and get the rules changed so that they will tell us things we need. If 1000 people this year complain to the USCIS about the fact that the Co in HCMC wants a time line and each of us complain that in the I 129f or the Cr1 that they do not say they require this and if in Packet's 3 & 4 they do not require this that maybe they will start adding this to the list of required documents. With this post I am not combating Visa fraud, I am trying to stop having women and men go home from a interview crying and pissed off because some Co now wants something he/she was never told to get and that if he/she were told that it was needed they would have had it in time for the interview. This affects many people when we get a blue slip. Us in particular had started to plan our wedding, one of the questions the Co had asked my fiancée was when we were planning to get married. Well to make a long story short we got a blue and we were planning on getting married within 30 days of her arrival not waiting until the last minute. Also what about the countless people that do not use Visa Journey??? They have absolutely no clue about this time line that they "REQUIRE" they also have no clue about the proof of residence for the fiancée, or the proof of the petitioners ex wife residence. All 3 of these things get a blue on to regular of a basis. We really only have 3 options people, one is to take it up the rear and deal with it, 2 is to complain and try to get the system changed, or 3 is to just post on this site and hope that people will read, and believe what we say. I have problems with 2 of the 3 options. Most people have already filed the visa application long before they come to Visa Journey, Many people never even know about this website, some people read what they say we need to do "and like me are stubborn" and say to themselves " If they needed a time line or proof of residence surely they would have required it" . And I am not about taking it up the rear. My butt says "EXIT ONLY" so I have a real problem just sitting down and taking it. Please all lets stay on subject. I understand people are in fear of repercussions, so wait until you get the pink before you complain. Maybe as one poster had said we can get some sort of checks and balances at the us consulate, but the ONLY WAY THAT WILL EVER happen is if we stick together and all start to complain. Please feel free to throw your two cents in as this is a topic and I am really interested in any other opinions about helping this travesty get changed. COME ON PEOPLE LETS GET TE PINKS ROLLING THROUGH HCMC AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's easy enough to say let's try to combat this while not talking about fraud, but fraud is the reason the consulate in HCM does these things. The two topics are inseparable.

You want the consulate to give you a bullet list of precisely what you need to give them in order to virtually guarantee that you'll get pink. First, I don't think it's possible to produce such a list. Each case is radically different. The CO has to look at the evidence they have and make a judgment call. Two different couples could produce the exact same list of items, and one could look like Romeo and Juliet, and the other could smell like a fish market in Saigon on a hot summer day. Should the CO issue the visa to both couples because both submitted everything on the checklist?

Second, if it WAS possible to produce a list of everything which may be required, like you suggest, then that list would also tell the fraudsters exactly what THEY need to produce in order to get a guaranteed pink. I don't believe there's anything you could do or produce to convince a CO that you have a legitimate relationship that a fraudster would not also be willing and able to do or produce, including getting married in VN and/or getting pregnant. Fraudsters want the visa just as badly as legitimate couples, but for completely different reasons.

Some things have become apparent about how the visa unit in HCM operates.

It's obvious that they pre-screen the package before the interview, and make a preliminary decision based on that pre-screening. Maybe they do this because it's the most efficient way to process the number of visa interviews they have to process in a day. Maybe they do it because they've found they can often sniff out fraud cases without seeing the box full of evidence the beneficiary brings to the interview, and pre-screening helps them determine if it's going to be an easy interview or a lengthy interrogation. For us who are helping our SO's get through HCM, it doesn't matter why they do it this way. However, it does tell us that the documents they see before the interview better tell a convincing story or it won't matter how many cartons of pictures and chat logs are brought to the interview.

They also frequently ask for the timeline, and the request usually says that they don't believe the relationship is legitimate. Obviously, they've determined that the timeline is a useful tool for weeding out fraud cases. Why is this? I don't know. Maybe there are things they see in the timeline of a legitimate relationship that a timeline from a fraudster wouldn't have. Maybe a timeline for a legitimate relationship reads like a "love story', and a timeline from a fraudster reads like a business agenda.

From my perspective, the consulate has devised tools to help identify fraud within the constraints of the current immigration laws. Given those constraints, they've found those tools to be effective at reducing visa fraud. I don't think any effort to get them to change their methods or policies is going to be effective, especially if they have evidence that the tools they are using are working. I DO think it's possible to change the immigration laws to dramatically reduce fraud, and lift the burden from the consulates in identifying fraudulent cases, but that's a completely different subject. In the meantime, I think you're stuck with having to play the game the way the consulate wants you to play it.

I do think it would be useful to try to determine what it is they see in a timeline that is successful at getting a pink slip that they didn't see in the original package of documents they reviewed during the pre-screening, and find a way to get that information in the original package to begin with.

[luckytxn 2,265]

I actually don't think because they ask for a timeline is because they suspect the relationship not legitimate. I think it is more of a tool to prolong the decision a tad so they can digest the info from the interview a bit and discuss the case a bit more with others and determine if they want to issue the pink right away or give a blue again for AR.

I notice that many that go in with the additional info even if it is brought in early is issued the pink and get the visa right away and some are given another blue for AR. I know when my at the time fiancee went in early and resubmitted the additional info that the CO barely even looked at the info and asked a couple of questions and one of which was when she planned on going to the states and smiled and handed her the pink. She called me afterwards and said that she never even looked at the timeline or list of relatives.

I am sure that they have daily meetings and sometimes two every day. Usually these will be in the morning and late afternoon. They know which cases will be handled that day and am sure they go over everything. They all have superiors and they have to do what they are told to do. If they have any questions about the case they will voice these concerns to them and get advice. They will also get guidance from others if needed. At the time of interview they pretty much know what they are going to give each interviewee. The odds are more than likely they will give a blue so they can at the end of the day at a meeting or their superior go over each case they had that day and say what and why they are going to give the pink or blue next time the additional info is submitted and trust me the superior will either concur or say why they want it to change.

Many bring in the timeline for the interview and still get a blue for an timeline. Rarely but sometimes someone gets the pink right away even with no timeline. I have noticed that certain things happen if the two were introduced by family over here and other things that happen if they met by a romance website and so on. These would be better guides on what actions to take to help each get a pink. As was noted before if they published exactly what was needed to get a pink then the frauds would have a leg up on what to do. And if this is done then the consulate would have to change tactics to weed the fraud and insure an even harder time to get a visa. As it stands now we have a decent grasp on what is needed and can go forth with some degree of comfort on getting the visa if we are for real and no frauds going on. This is the reason we ask for a copy of the blue sheet and what the interview was like when one comes in and says what the blue slip asked for so we can help.

The best thing is to come in here and help us help you by giving us all the info possible and then we can help and the possibility is greater that we can help get others the pink. Good luck and God bless everyone.