It may be now-or-never to buy certain guns

[nowhereman 1]

I posted an excerpt from an article about Obama allowing licensed firearms in national parks & it was completely ignored. Most of you would rather trade baseless rhetoric back & forth than actually discuss the facts.

Speaking of "facts" I think if you check you will see this thing is a lot older than Obama's time in the whitehouse (and maybe in Washington DC).

In fact, I thought the thing was already signed!

By the way.. it only deals with those with a conceal-carry license.

Here read for yourself and then respond back.

Gun ban in national parks is eased

Concealed-weapons permits, state permission will be required

The Associated Press

updated 7:45 p.m. ET, Fri., Dec . 5, 2008

WASHINGTON - People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges.

The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal rule that severely restricts loaded guns in national parks.

Under a rule to take effect in January, visitors will be able to carry a loaded gun into a park or wildlife refuge — but only if the person has a permit for a concealed weapon and if the state where the park or refuge is located also allows concealed firearms.

The new rule goes further than a draft proposal issued last spring and would allow concealed weapons even in parks located in states that explicitly ban the carrying of guns in state parks. Some states allow concealed weapons but also ban guns from parks.

"If you can carry (a gun) on Main Street, you are allowed to carry in a national park," said Chris Paolino. a spokesman for the Interior Department.

The Interior Department rule overturns a Reagan-era regulation that has restricted loaded guns in parks and wildlife refuges. The previous regulation required that firearms be unloaded and placed somewhere that is not easily accessible, such as in a car trunk.

NRA likes the change

Assistant Interior Secretary Lyle Laverty said the new rule respects a long tradition of states and the federal government working together on natural resource issues.

The regulation allows individuals to carry concealed firearms in federal parks and wildlife refuges to the same extent they can lawfully do so under state law, Laverty said, adding that the approach is in line with rules adopted by the federal Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service. Those agencies let visitors carry weapons consistent with applicable federal and state laws.

The National Rifle Association hailed the rule change, which will take effect next month before President-elect Barack Obama takes office.

"We are pleased that the Interior Department recognizes the right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families while enjoying America's national parks and wildlife refuges," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.

The rule will restore the rights of law-abiding gun owners on federal lands and make federal law consistent with the state where the lands are located, Cox said. The NRA led efforts to change gun regulations they called inconsistent and unclear.

Opponents say change will bring confusion

A group representing park rangers, retirees and conservation organizations said the rule change will lead to confusion for visitors, rangers and other law enforcement agencies.

"Once again, political leaders in the Bush administration have ignored the preferences of the American public by succumbing to political pressure, in this case generated by the National Rifle Association," said Bill Wade, president of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees.

"This regulation will put visitors, employees and precious resources of the National Park System at risk. We will do everything possible to overturn it and return to a commonsense approach to guns in national parks that has been working for decades," Wade said.

The park rule will be published in the Federal Register early next week and take effect 30 days later, well before Obama takes office Jan. 20. Overturning the rule could take months or even years, since it would require the new administration to restart the lengthy rule-making process.

Nick Shapiro, a spokesman for President-elect Barack Obama's transition team, said no decision had been made on the gun rule.

"President-elect Obama will review all eleventh-hour regulations and will address them once he is president," he said.

Bipartisan push in Senate

Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, hailed the new rule. Crapo and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., had organized letters to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne complaining about the gun restrictions. The letters were signed by half the Senate — 41 Republicans and nine Democrats.

"I congratulate Secretary Kempthorne for taking this stand. The rule as it has come out is what we asked for with regard to handguns," Crapo said. "It's a very, very significant improvement."

Crapo called the current rule confusing and complex and said it "literally resulted in different standards as you traveled through the same state."

But Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said the new rule was a mistake.

"The Reagan-era rules have stood the test of time and make our national parks safe for all who visit them," Feinstein said. "The Bush administration changes will make our national parks more dangerous and will upset the delicate balance that exists between park visitors and wildlife."

Interior Department spokesman Chris Paolino said the rule would not affect a ban on guns in federal buildings. Guns will still be prohibited in national icons such as Independence Hall and the Statue of Liberty, he said. Guns also will be banned in visitor centers and other buildings at national parks.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28072607/

So Bush started it & Obama finished it? I honestly wasn't aware of that fact... thanks for pointing it out.

[Danno 1,228]

I posted an excerpt from an article about Obama allowing licensed firearms in national parks & it was completely ignored. Most of you would rather trade baseless rhetoric back & forth than actually discuss the facts.

Speaking of "facts" I think if you check you will see this thing is a lot older than Obama's time in the whitehouse (and maybe in Washington DC).

In fact, I thought the thing was already signed!

By the way.. it only deals with those with a conceal-carry license.

Here read for yourself and then respond back.

Gun ban in national parks is eased

Concealed-weapons permits, state permission will be required

The Associated Press

updated 7:45 p.m. ET, Fri., Dec . 5, 2008

WASHINGTON - People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges.

The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal rule that severely restricts loaded guns in national parks.

Under a rule to take effect in January, visitors will be able to carry a loaded gun into a park or wildlife refuge — but only if the person has a permit for a concealed weapon and if the state where the park or refuge is located also allows concealed firearms.

The new rule goes further than a draft proposal issued last spring and would allow concealed weapons even in parks located in states that explicitly ban the carrying of guns in state parks. Some states allow concealed weapons but also ban guns from parks.

"If you can carry (a gun) on Main Street, you are allowed to carry in a national park," said Chris Paolino. a spokesman for the Interior Department.

The Interior Department rule overturns a Reagan-era regulation that has restricted loaded guns in parks and wildlife refuges. The previous regulation required that firearms be unloaded and placed somewhere that is not easily accessible, such as in a car trunk.

NRA likes the change

Assistant Interior Secretary Lyle Laverty said the new rule respects a long tradition of states and the federal government working together on natural resource issues.

The regulation allows individuals to carry concealed firearms in federal parks and wildlife refuges to the same extent they can lawfully do so under state law, Laverty said, adding that the approach is in line with rules adopted by the federal Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service. Those agencies let visitors carry weapons consistent with applicable federal and state laws.

The National Rifle Association hailed the rule change, which will take effect next month before President-elect Barack Obama takes office.

"We are pleased that the Interior Department recognizes the right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families while enjoying America's national parks and wildlife refuges," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.

The rule will restore the rights of law-abiding gun owners on federal lands and make federal law consistent with the state where the lands are located, Cox said. The NRA led efforts to change gun regulations they called inconsistent and unclear.

Opponents say change will bring confusion

A group representing park rangers, retirees and conservation organizations said the rule change will lead to confusion for visitors, rangers and other law enforcement agencies.

"Once again, political leaders in the Bush administration have ignored the preferences of the American public by succumbing to political pressure, in this case generated by the National Rifle Association," said Bill Wade, president of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees.

"This regulation will put visitors, employees and precious resources of the National Park System at risk. We will do everything possible to overturn it and return to a commonsense approach to guns in national parks that has been working for decades," Wade said.

The park rule will be published in the Federal Register early next week and take effect 30 days later, well before Obama takes office Jan. 20. Overturning the rule could take months or even years, since it would require the new administration to restart the lengthy rule-making process.

Nick Shapiro, a spokesman for President-elect Barack Obama's transition team, said no decision had been made on the gun rule.

"President-elect Obama will review all eleventh-hour regulations and will address them once he is president," he said.

Bipartisan push in Senate

Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, hailed the new rule. Crapo and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., had organized letters to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne complaining about the gun restrictions. The letters were signed by half the Senate — 41 Republicans and nine Democrats.

"I congratulate Secretary Kempthorne for taking this stand. The rule as it has come out is what we asked for with regard to handguns," Crapo said. "It's a very, very significant improvement."

Crapo called the current rule confusing and complex and said it "literally resulted in different standards as you traveled through the same state."

But Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said the new rule was a mistake.

"The Reagan-era rules have stood the test of time and make our national parks safe for all who visit them," Feinstein said. "The Bush administration changes will make our national parks more dangerous and will upset the delicate balance that exists between park visitors and wildlife."

Interior Department spokesman Chris Paolino said the rule would not affect a ban on guns in federal buildings. Guns will still be prohibited in national icons such as Independence Hall and the Statue of Liberty, he said. Guns also will be banned in visitor centers and other buildings at national parks.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28072607/

So Bush started it & Obama finished it? I honestly wasn't aware of that fact... thanks for pointing it out.

No Problem... thats what I am here for (Jokin)

Actually, this act, will effect few people as it only touched those with a concealed-carry permit in the states that even have them.

Saturday night I was backpacking in a wilderness area where Bear sightings are common.

Often I bring a hand gun with me as you .. never know but in my hurry to get going, that was one of the items I failed to bring.

As I lay in my tent, I thought about how little chance my wife and I stood if a bear should come ripping through the thin wall of the tent while we were sleeping.

Not that I have any desire to shoot a bear unless absolutely necessary but it could happen.

Usually my concern is more for my safety from random people you can encounter in some parks but this place was so rough in terrain only serious hikers would be there, in fact this gorge was so steep and rough in terrain it there were very few places on could even get off the trail. But many parks are loaded with drifters, homeless and even the random crazy. Any time I take a female in such places I try to be prepared for self defense.

... Though it is a breach of the law.

I'm actually interested in buying a lightweight pack-carry gun just for this, maybe a 380 or something.

[john & jean 37]

I don't know about anyone else - but I feel the final straw will be when a man can no longer mount dual miniguns on his car.

there you go again, showing everyone how much you don't know

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't know about anyone else - but I feel the final straw will be when a man can no longer mount dual miniguns on his car.

there you go again, showing everyone how much you don't know

As I say, perhaps I should stick a smiley or a canned laughter direction on the end of these posts, cause there's always some idiot who interprets it literally.

[Peikko 1,575]

The whole thing is nuts - well regulated militia my #######, they just want status symbols to demand respect. The gun owners I respect are the ones that I don't know are gun owners - aside from Almaty but he only revealed that under duress

[SMOKE 1,426]

The whole thing is nuts - well regulated militia my #######, they just want status symbols to demand respect. The gun owners I respect are the ones that I don't know are gun owners - aside from Almaty but he only revealed that under duress

thats good we don't respect you either

[Peikko 1,575]

The whole thing is nuts - well regulated militia my #######, they just want status symbols to demand respect. The gun owners I respect are the ones that I don't know are gun owners - aside from Almaty but he only revealed that under duress

thats good we don't respect you either

Why would that bother me? I am not trying to demand your or anyone's respect, least of all by brandishing armaments. The same can't be said of the gun nuts, they want it and by golly they are going to get it!

[john & jean 37]

The whole thing is nuts - well regulated militia my #######, they just want status symbols to demand respect. The gun owners I respect are the ones that I don't know are gun owners - aside from Almaty but he only revealed that under duress

thats good we don't respect you either

WORD

[natty bumppo 297]

No Problem... thats what I am here for (Jokin)

Actually, this act, will effect few people as it only touched those with a concealed-carry permit in the states that even have them.

Saturday night I was backpacking in a wilderness area where Bear sightings are common.

Often I bring a hand gun with me as you .. never know but in my hurry to get going, that was one of the items I failed to bring.

As I lay in my tent, I thought about how little chance my wife and I stood if a bear should come ripping through the thin wall of the tent while we were sleeping.

Not that I have any desire to shoot a bear unless absolutely necessary but it could happen.

Usually my concern is more for my safety from random people you can encounter in some parks but this place was so rough in terrain only serious hikers would be there, in fact this gorge was so steep and rough in terrain it there were very few places on could even get off the trail. But many parks are loaded with drifters, homeless and even the random crazy. Any time I take a female in such places I try to be prepared for self defense.

... Though it is a breach of the law.

I'm actually interested in buying a lightweight pack-carry gun just for this, maybe a 380 or something.

take along some pepper spray too ... this way we will know which bear you encountered

yes cause bears do sh!t in the woods and your encounter will result in bear poo that contains little bells and smells like pepper

suggest taking something that starts with a .4

Edited August 17, 2009 by Natty Bumppo

[SMOKE 1,426]

The whole thing is nuts - well regulated militia my #######, they just want status symbols to demand respect. The gun owners I respect are the ones that I don't know are gun owners - aside from Almaty but he only revealed that under duress

thats good we don't respect you either

Why would that bother me? I am not trying to demand your or anyone's respect, least of all by brandishing armaments. The same can't be said of the gun nuts, they want it and by golly they are going to get it!

it shouldn't bother you. you get what you give in terms of respect. i have yet to meet a gun owner that demanded respect for being a gun owner....i have seen sUme babble on & on about gun owners doing & being this & that.

[Danno 1,228]

The whole thing is nuts - well regulated militia my #######, they just want status symbols to demand respect. The gun owners I respect are the ones that I don't know are gun owners - aside from Almaty but he only revealed that under duress

What other parts of the Constitution should citizens practice in covert ways?

Just wonderin?

[almaty 19]

The whole thing is nuts - well regulated militia my #######, they just want status symbols to demand respect. The gun owners I respect are the ones that I don't know are gun owners - aside from Almaty but he only revealed that under duress

thats good we don't respect you either

i respect her and her views /./the same as yours smoke..and you do not speak for all gun owners of america...

[Otto 83]

I'm actually interested in buying a lightweight pack-carry gun just for this, maybe a 380 or something.

You could move to Arizona - perfectly legal to wear an openly holstered weapon in public there (except, obviously, in some gathering places)...

[SMOKE 1,426]

The whole thing is nuts - well regulated militia my #######, they just want status symbols to demand respect. The gun owners I respect are the ones that I don't know are gun owners - aside from Almaty but he only revealed that under duress

thats good we don't respect you either

i respect her and her views /./the same as yours smoke..and you do not speak for all gun owners of america...

i speak for myself. i myself keep getting lumped in w/ other gun owners under ridiculous blanket statements.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Probably a good idea to commit a few James Bond, Arnold Schwarzenegger one liners to memory so they can be readily recited after someone has been blown away.