Wife got citizenship, announced she wanted divorce the next day?

[stlouis 3]

I do believe that Russia is still a male bastion and women are still second class citizens in some ways, even while women seem to carry the burden of working and supporting families well beyond that of typical men.

I agree with your whole post, visaveteran. I quoted this part to show that this is also what I have seen.

I am from Kiev, and yes it's very different there than in smaller towns. I have family in small towns and villages in Russia and a bit bigger town in Belorussia, so I've seen other places as well. And yes, what we all say here are just our experiences -- but isn't it an interesting discussion anyway? It looks like there is no Ukrainian women in this thread, so I thought I could give the other side of the story. Ok, I have never been married to an American man, so maybe I am not much on the subject...

[Brad and Vika 129]

I was actually disagreeing with what Brad&Vika was saying about Poles migrating to the UK, and his little quip about the Romanians and Slovenians taking their place. In the context of my comment 'places' can be substituted if you prefer. I guess what I was objection to is that the type of argument that atempts to extol one side at the expense/detriment of another is not sound.

It was a joke - no offense intended. I have no idea what the stats are. I do not prefer Brits over Romanians, Slovenians, or whatever. There have been a large number of Polish immigrants coming to America for a long time - I spent part of my childhood in a Polish-American neighborhood. I have no problem with that at all.

[mox 298]

That's Brad for you, always stirring the #######.

[eekee 182]

I would argue that the difference is more generational than geographical or even socioeconomical. I live in St. Petersburg now, but a lot of my friends moved here rather recently from other parts of Russia. And neither Amber nor I are with men from Moscow/SPb/Kiev. But there is a huge generation gap between people who are the equivalent ages of Generation X and Y and people who are baby boomer age. The people I know here are cooler and hipper than the people I know in suburban PA. There are also people though who are obviously not as with it, but that's true of every place.

So I suppose that dating an FSU man in his 40s or 50s would be a very different thing, as would dating someone who is some kind of a thug or whatever.

[stlouis 3]

I would argue that the difference is more generational than geographical or even socioeconomical. I live in St. Petersburg now, but a lot of my friends moved here rather recently from other parts of Russia. And neither Amber nor I are with men from Moscow/SPb/Kiev. But there is a huge generation gap between people who are the equivalent ages of Generation X and Y and people who are baby boomer age. The people I know here are cooler and hipper than the people I know in suburban PA. There are also people though who are obviously not as with it, but that's true of every place.

So I suppose that dating an FSU man in his 40s or 50s would be a very different thing, as would dating someone who is some kind of a thug or whatever.

Since we all agreed that there are lots of changes in recent years, so sure there is a generation gap. I also think geographical differences are understandable, because big cities are usually faster to change.

I was quite surprised to see so much discussion here that FSU women immigrate for money and rich life. I believe many are just happy to find a nice man. For me a nice man is someone who respects me and what I do and that we are partners. Maybe I have seen more of a 'male world' in Ukraine, because I chose to do a computer science degree, and many men in Ukraine (> 9 years ago) did not believe in women computer scientists. So I heard a professor say that we should not allow women here and even some of my male friends say they would only hire a woman secretary in a software company. OK I probably went too far off topic, but just wanted to say a word for all Ukrainian/Russian/Belorussian woman here and sorry if I generalized a bit about men.

eekee, how long do you live in St. Petersburg? I've been there when I was about 11 and really loved the city.

[Brad and Vika 129]

That's Brad for you, always stirring the #######.

We aims ta please!! I did find it strange that the drive-bys were mostly offended on behalf of Romanians and Slovenians, since the dig really concerned... well, never mind. If I don't stop it, one of the mods will be deleting more of my posts at another poster's request. I wonder why that never works when I don't like what some one says

[mox 298]

I think it's because the mods don't generally tend to hang out in RUB, and only come when summoned by the whiners. And by whiners I mean Romanians and Slovenians and Poles, because you know they're all scammers.

[akdiver 3]

I think it's because the mods don't generally tend to hang out in RUB, and only come when summoned by the whiners. And by whiners I mean Romanians and Slovenians and Poles, because you know they're all scammers.

I dunno why people who don't have business in here even come in here - except maybe to troll. In any event, complaints of those who have no business here about what goes on in here should be ignored - or publicly ridiculed.

[mox 298]

I think it's because the mods don't generally tend to hang out in RUB, and only come when summoned by the whiners. And by whiners I mean Romanians and Slovenians and Poles, because you know they're all scammers.

I dunno why people who don't have business in here even come in here - except maybe to troll. In any event, complaints of those who have no business here about what goes on in here should be ignored - or publicly ridiculed.

Yep, that's pretty much why. When someone filing through--oh let's say Jamaica for a completey random pick--pops in to read a single post out of a much larger thread, with the sole intent to lambast the OP...well as the man on the teevee says, "here's yer sign."

[BluesTraveler 0]

I think it's because the mods don't generally tend to hang out in RUB, and only come when summoned by the whiners. And by whiners I mean Romanians and Slovenians and Poles, because you know they're all scammers.

This is why the forum will always be RUB and never become BURP. Belarus, Ukraine, Russian and... Philippines or Poland, or Pitcairn Islands. Pitcairn Island folks are the biggest scammers on the planet.

[mox 298]

I think it's because the mods don't generally tend to hang out in RUB, and only come when summoned by the whiners. And by whiners I mean Romanians and Slovenians and Poles, because you know they're all scammers.

This is why the forum will always be RUB and never become BURP. Belarus, Ukraine, Russian and... Philippines or Poland, or Pitcairn Islands. Pitcairn Island folks are the biggest scammers on the planet.

FINALLY! Thank you! Everyone's always on about the Nigerians, but we taught those damn amateurs everything they know.

By the way, I'm the son of a deposed Pitcarnian Prince. I need help getting funds out of the Federal Bank of Pitcairn Islands. Please help me. all I need is your bank account number and PIN so I can deposit the funds...

[BluesTraveler 0]

Please help me. all I need is your bank account number and PIN so I can deposit the funds...

Maybe I should send you my social security number, mother's maiden name, and some good faith money to help speed things along?

Oh, by the way....I have been looking to buy a bridge, do you have any for sale?

[DEDixon 39]

You people need to go party with Jim Jones to relieve yourselves of what is most difficult part of life.... living with yourselves.

[mox 298]

Please help me. all I need is your bank account number and PIN so I can deposit the funds...

Maybe I should send you my social security number, mother's maiden name, and some good faith money to help speed things along?

Yes, pm them to me please. It will make the process go much faster, and to thank you for your willingness to help I will send you a Rolexx™ when we retrieve the funds.

Oh, by the way....I have been looking to buy a bridge, do you have any for sale?

I do, but this one is only for my most exclusive clientele. You'll have to PayPal me some good faith money ($10,000 should do, which will go towards the purchase price of course) before I can say more about it, but let's just say that the view from this particular bridge is "golden."

[BluesTraveler 0]

I do, but this one is only for my most exclusive clientele. You'll have to PayPal me some good faith money ($10,000 should do, which will go towards the purchase price of course) before I can say more about it, but let's just say that the view from this particular bridge is "golden."

Check your email, you should have some money now.

"golden" ooooooooooooohhhhh sounds so exciting!!!

You people need to go party with Jim Jones to relieve yourselves of what is most difficult part of life.... living with yourselves.

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