Gates: 'A few years' of combat in Afghanistan

[Peikko 1,575]

In the UK the anti war protests were wide spread and encompassed all the political spectrum as I have already said. Just out of interest, how did you know that those protesters that you spotted were librals? What, apart from protesting the war, alerted you to their political affiliation?

The same way liberals or anyone else can tell that the majority of protesters outside an abortion clinic are right-wingers, conservatives, the religion right, neocons.

Now, I'm guessing what I will read next is that war protesting and abortion protesting is different and can't be compared?

Ah, so in other words you don't know. Right, got it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The problem with the original premise of this thread is that it doesn't allow for the possibility that people's opinions change over time.

[nowhereman 1]

I'm not sure where I came out in support of Bush here, but anyway....... My point was that Pike seems to have accepted what you said because it fitted the argument. Any other stats he demands 30 references by independent watchdogs if he doesn't agree with them.

And yes, the NYT and CBS are leftist outlets through and through. Its a faulty reference.

Yes anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. I understand that.

Oh, and i don't ask people to support their claims. I only said that mockingly of Pike since he demands references for anything he disagrees with. Yet he rarely if ever gives references for his claims.

Just as I figured... closed mind, no facts of your own, continued ignorance. You also (again) totally glossed over my original statement that not everyone who disagrees with you or the right is a liberal & that your labeling of everyone who disagrees with you as a liberal is extremely inaccurate.

Numerous polls tracked Bush's approval ratings and they were all within 5% or so of each other... even polls from Fox. If you don't like the 23% figure add 5%. Even at 28% approval it's still under the 30% approval I guessed at. As for Rasmussen from what I know they are fairly objective & in fact several other right leaning VJ numbers have quoted Rasmussen on other topics. According to their numbers there are a whole lot less liberals out there than you claim.

Just admit that you are wrong or at least offer some defense (i.e. some actual facts). Hell I'll even accept numbers from Fox.

[DEDixon 39]

In the UK the anti war protests were wide spread and encompassed all the political spectrum as I have already said. Just out of interest, how did you know that those protesters that you spotted were librals? What, apart from protesting the war, alerted you to their political affiliation?

How do you know? How did you spot the right wingers, how did you spot liberals, the independents? Who told you all those people encompassed the entire political spectrum? I'm guessing, the same way I know that it was majority liberals who were protesting the Iraq war and they were insisting on immediate withdrawal.

If you can know what you know how is it that I can't know what I know?

[Peikko 1,575]

This whole page of posting is nothing more than a red herring though. You made some absurd claim that 'librals' should be protesting the war because that's what librals do. When you have been told by more than one person that the war protestors came from all sides of the political spectrum, you took a hissy fit, "How can that be? It has to be liberals, that's what liberals do", seems to be your line or reasonong. When you have also been told that there were plenty, even a majority of the UK protestors who not only protested the war, but once the war was started demanded that the war was brought to some kind of conclusion that left the region at the very least stable, there was more 'that's not true' nonsense. Then, for your finale you presume that the Afghanistan war has to be viewed in exactly the same light by all the protestors and that they should now be out in droves, but they aren't because Obama is president, you lose the plot entirely. None of this correlates to reality, just conforms to your preceptions. Who knew?

[nowhereman 1]

The problem with the original premise of this thread is that it doesn't allow for the possibility that people's opinions change over time.

I stated that... Bush's approval ratings were actually quite high in the beginning of the Iraq War, but they eroded significantly from 2004-2008. My point is that the VJ Right loves to blame everything on liberals but unless 70% of America are liberals (which is not the case) that means a whole bunch of non-liberals ended up thinking Bush wasn't a very good President.

[DEDixon 39]

In the UK the anti war protests were wide spread and encompassed all the political spectrum as I have already said. Just out of interest, how did you know that those protesters that you spotted were librals? What, apart from protesting the war, alerted you to their political affiliation?

The same way liberals or anyone else can tell that the majority of protesters outside an abortion clinic are right-wingers, conservatives, the religion right, neocons.

Now, I'm guessing what I will read next is that war protesting and abortion protesting is different and can't be compared?

Ah, so in other words you don't know. Right, got it.

Cool!!!! Glad you said that, because if I don't know, like you said, then you can't know the above.

[Peikko 1,575]

I didn't have to 'spot them'. The war protesters in the UK came from all walks of life and a large portion where elderly - not a very liberal demographic.

[DEDixon 39]

I didn't have to 'spot them'. The war protesters in the UK came from all walks of life and a large portion where elderly - not a very liberal demographic.

I didn't say that the ONLY source of my information was spotting. Mine was demographics too... 18, 19, twenty somethings and that demographic is very liberal.

Two can play this game.

[nowhereman 1]

In the UK the anti war protests were wide spread and encompassed all the political spectrum as I have already said. Just out of interest, how did you know that those protesters that you spotted were librals? What, apart from protesting the war, alerted you to their political affiliation?

How do you know? How did you spot the right wingers, how did you spot liberals, the independents? Who told you all those people encompassed the entire political spectrum? I'm guessing, the same way I know that it was majority liberals who were protesting the Iraq war and they were insisting on immediate withdrawal.

If you can know what you know how is it that I can't know what I know?

Dixon please hit google & look at numbers from several different polls... even a fair amount of Republicans wanted us to get out of Iraq. You can't take a handful of protesters at Cal Berkeley or whatever college you mentioned & expect that to be a representative sample of the American populace. Use that kind of reasoning in a statistics class and you'll end up with an F.

I'm an Army officer with 20 years of service and I did 13 months in Iraq... does that sound like the typical liberal to you? People rarely fit in the neat little boxes you want them to & if you go in with a warped notion of reality they won't fit at all.

[DEDixon 39]

The problem with the original premise of this thread is that it doesn't allow for the possibility that people's opinions change over time.

I stated that... Bush's approval ratings were actually quite high in the beginning of the Iraq War, but they eroded significantly from 2004-2008. My point is that the VJ Right loves to blame everything on liberals but unless 70% of America are liberals (which is not the case) that means a whole bunch of non-liberals ended up thinking Bush wasn't a very good President.

You have already discredited yourself by talking about polls. I never mentioned a poll.

[DEDixon 39]

In the UK the anti war protests were wide spread and encompassed all the political spectrum as I have already said. Just out of interest, how did you know that those protesters that you spotted were librals? What, apart from protesting the war, alerted you to their political affiliation?

How do you know? How did you spot the right wingers, how did you spot liberals, the independents? Who told you all those people encompassed the entire political spectrum? I'm guessing, the same way I know that it was majority liberals who were protesting the Iraq war and they were insisting on immediate withdrawal.

If you can know what you know how is it that I can't know what I know?

Dixon please hit google & look at numbers from several different polls... even a fair amount of Republicans wanted us to get out of Iraq. You can't take a handful of protesters at Cal Berkeley or whatever college you mentioned & expect that to be a representative sample of the American populace. Use that kind of reasoning in a statistics class and you'll end up with an F.

I'm an Army officer with 20 years of service and I did 13 months in Iraq... does that sound like the typical liberal to you? People rarely fit in the neat little boxes you want them to & if you go in with a warped notion of reality they won't fit at all.

Dude, I hear you, I've read you, but you started talking about polls and lost me.

Again, I'm not talking about the people that were silently at home and against the war. I'm talking about protesters. Please don't widen the scope.

[Peikko 1,575]

I didn't have to 'spot them'. The war protesters in the UK came from all walks of life and a large portion where elderly - not a very liberal demographic.

I didn't say that the ONLY source of my information was spotting. Mine was demographics too... 18, 19, twenty somethings and that demographic is very liberal.

Two can play this game.

No, only you can because you simply deny what is self evident, war protesters as it pertains to the Iraq war can not be pigeonholed as anti-right.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is the entire point to this another swipe at alleged double standards because there was once big anti-war opposition and now there isn't?

[Peikko 1,575]

Is the entire point to this another swipe at alleged double standards because there was once big anti-war opposition and now there isn't?

From his post on page one, certainly. Where are the anti-Afghanistan war protestors? They are clearly sucking on the Obama teat.