Death for conversion

[doodlebugg 10]

You are right! It should be discussed and should be in depth and at length. I think in the discussions that I have had with those that have children (these are all married with MENA husbands) is that the husband originally had the respect that their religion and traditions are different, their father is responsible for making sure the children follow through, not him, he was the stepfather and he was not to push the fact. They are not his children. But as time goes by and he forms a bond with them and loves them and wants to treat them as his own and wants them to be good examples to his own, his feelings are different. I don't always think that the discussion and expectations churn out to be the true reality. This can be a big deal breaker in a marriage.

We're totally OT here now but I wanted to say I agree whole heartedly. Although we agreed before we got married and before he came here that my daughters have their own dad and that although Usama can have certain roles in their life, the disciplinarian role is not one that will come automatically. He has to earn their trust first and they have to respect him first before he can start any of that and even when he does he has to accept that they are American born and raised with certain cultural differences. That doesn't mean that he won't have a rough time with it. He did and to some extent still does, but he does his thing to cool himself off, we talk for a while about what's going on, what he's feeling, what I'm feeling and believe it or not, in the end he says I'm doing it right. LOVE that! lol.

All in all communication is key here.

Back on topic that girl should be brought back to the state she lives in, DSS should set up a meeting between the parents and the child and a LOT of counseling should be had by each of them. The people who took the child should be prosecuted for kidnapping if that's at all possible. She's a minor so she doesn't have a say in what happens and there's no way to prove unless it comes out in counseling whether or not this was truly of her free will or if she's been brainwashed by these people.

I have such hatred inside of me now for these maggots! Seriously! Who the hell does something like this, paying for a minor child to go to live four states over with them. ARGH!!!!!

[Y's_habibitk 2]

I have such hatred inside of me now for these maggots! Seriously! Who the hell does something like this, paying for a minor child to go to live four states over with them. ARGH!!!!!

these guys

http://www.globalrevolutionchurch.org/index.html

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5. We believe in global preparation for the return of Jesus Christ, especially through 24/7 prayer and worship and through raising up end-time messengers.

I still say its cultish.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

They are evangelical otherwise known as conservative Christians. Some people could say the same for conservative Islam. They believed the girls story and that she was in danger and that they were opening their home to her from persecution for conversion.

Edited August 14, 2009 by ~Flower~

[sandinista! 1,816]

They are evangelical otherwise known as conservative Christians. Some people could say the same for conservative Islam. They believed the girls story and that she was in danger and that they were opening their home to her from persecution for conversion.

there are proper ways of opening one's home to children that are in danger, abused, neglected. normal people who want to help kids this way go through state certification, with state certified foster homes, adoptions, etc.

my aunt has been an er nurse for over 20 years, and has seen horrid things happen to children. she does not, and has never, secretly whisked those children away into her home and hidden them from their parents to protect them- she calls the proper authorities and follows up with them to make sure they are doing something about the situation.

[Y's_habibitk 2]

They are evangelical otherwise known as conservative Christians. Some people could say the same for conservative Islam. They believed the girls story and that she was in danger and that they were opening their home to her from persecution for conversion.

Sorry, when I hear "end time messengers" I remember the crazies on Main St in Huntington Beach who yell at you as you walk by to "prepare for the end!" with big signs on themselves and shoving pamphlets at you. Im a little bias I guess lol

[sandinista! 1,816]

They are evangelical otherwise known as conservative Christians. Some people could say the same for conservative Islam. They believed the girls story and that she was in danger and that they were opening their home to her from persecution for conversion.

Sorry, when I hear "end time messengers" I remember the crazies on Main St in Huntington Beach who yell at you as you walk by to "prepare for the end!" with big signs on themselves and shoving pamphlets at you. Im a little bias I guess lol

totally OT, but i went to school with this guy who ended up being one of those manic street preachers. i saw him years ago downtown screeching at people that they were all going to hell. he's in prison now though, for raping a 13 yr old girl. crazy, sick man.

[Ihavequestions 419]

Why do people seem to assume pious behavior is the sole property of Muslims in MENA - or in the Muslims in US for that matter? Let google be your friend and expand your mind by searching for Pentecostal, Mormon, Coptic, Amish. The list is much bigger, but that's a good start.

That Muslim MENA husband isn't pushing Islam or Muslim ideals on those Christian daughters, he's applying what he knows of the Christians where he comes from. These Christian girls don't hang out with boys. They don't don a bikini, grab a towel and some sunscren, and run off to the beach to swim and tan. They don't date. They're virgins when they get married; it's HER MOTHER who drags the bloody sheet out into the streets (to prove she kept her virginity until her wedding night) and through the entire neighborhood. This is NOT Islam vs. Christians because in MENA the standards of behavior are EXACTLY the same for both groups.

[sandinista! 1,816]

and for the record, i was not down with my son attending mixed swimming/slumber parties, or having a daughter attending proms, in revealing dresses long before i ever even knew my husband. i chose for my husband a man who shares my values, not conflicts with them. and i know i'm far from the only one on this forum who has done so. i'm sorry other people have had such conflicts, but i don't expect the topics in kh's post to be issues for us. i'm sure we will find plenty of other stuff to argue about, like who's putting away the laundry or what movie we'll watch.

[doodlebugg 10]

Why do people seem to assume pious behavior is the sole property of Muslims in MENA - or in the Muslims in US for that matter? Let google be your friend and expand your mind by searching for Pentecostal, Mormon, Coptic, Amish. The list is much bigger, but that's a good start.

That Muslim MENA husband isn't pushing Islam or Muslim ideals on those Christian daughters, he's applying what he knows of the Christians where he comes from. These Christian girls don't hang out with boys. They don't don a bikini, grab a towel and some sunscren, and run off to the beach to swim and tan. They don't date. They're virgins when they get married; it's HER MOTHER who drags the bloody sheet out into the streets (to prove she kept her virginity until her wedding night) and through the entire neighborhood. This is NOT Islam vs. Christians because in MENA the standards of behavior are EXACTLY the same for both groups.

What are you talking about? I'm confused. What mena husband isn't pushing islam on those christian daughters? Who are you talking about?

[Ihavequestions 419]

Read back through the thread.

[doodlebugg 10]

oh forget it. i have no patience for people today. have a good one everyone!

[Jenn! 918]

They're virgins when they get married; it's HER MOTHER who drags the bloody sheet out into the streets (to prove she kept her virginity until her wedding night) and through the entire neighborhood.

Kind of OT, but I've wondered how this practice is in line with humility and privacy regarding sexual things and such.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Why do people seem to assume pious behavior is the sole property of Muslims in MENA - or in the Muslims in US for that matter? Let google be your friend and expand your mind by searching for Pentecostal, Mormon, Coptic, Amish. The list is much bigger, but that's a good start.

That Muslim MENA husband isn't pushing Islam or Muslim ideals on those Christian daughters, he's applying what he knows of the Christians where he comes from. These Christian girls don't hang out with boys. They don't don a bikini, grab a towel and some sunscren, and run off to the beach to swim and tan. They don't date. They're virgins when they get married; it's HER MOTHER who drags the bloody sheet out into the streets (to prove she kept her virginity until her wedding night) and through the entire neighborhood. This is NOT Islam vs. Christians because in MENA the standards of behavior are EXACTLY the same for both groups.

yr exactly right with that.

as well, i've never seen that done at any christian weddings i have attended here, but have certainly experienced the other behaviors in my home growing up, and amongst my extended family, and a lot of friends. we did not date boys, or go the beach in bikinis. we saw plenty of other people do it, but it wasn't how we went about things. for others to assume that there would be conflict between my husband and i on those issues, when they have no idea how i grew up, just that i am from the us, is completely wrong-headed.

[sara..... 371]

They're virgins when they get married; it's HER MOTHER who drags the bloody sheet out into the streets (to prove she kept her virginity until her wedding night) and through the entire neighborhood.

Kind of OT, but I've wondered how this practice is in line with humility and privacy regarding sexual things and such.

i personally have never seen that i would guess that has more to do with the family than Islam.

years ago the family used to ask their son for their bedding the day after the first night together because it proved to them if she was a virgin or not but things have come a long way for the most part i wont say all are past that but lot of families are.

sara

[Ban Hammer 13,512]

They're virgins when they get married; it's HER MOTHER who drags the bloody sheet out into the streets (to prove she kept her virginity until her wedding night) and through the entire neighborhood.

Kind of OT, but I've wondered how this practice is in line with humility and privacy regarding sexual things and such.

i'm just wondering how that really proves anything - maybe the bride was on her period?