Death for conversion

[sandinista! 1,816]

none of that is compelling enough evidence to declare "I sincerely hope that she stays in Florida foster care until the age of 18 and is not returned to her parents custody." the whole thing is still being investigated by the proper authorities. hopefully they do a thorough, competent investigation and the girl's safety is upheld, along with her parents' custodial rights if they are deserving of having them upheld in this case.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

I agree with the thorough investigation part however I disagree that the evidence presented isn't compelling enough. Basically you are saying that the girl and pastors recollection of the events are a lie and that the video of her in court in the fetal position crying and outside the court crying "you don't understand they will kill me" is a disingenuous act and that the threats made to her were not real and she does not fear for her life.

Edited August 13, 2009 by ~Flower~

[sara..... 371]

i dont know kids these days learn the legal ropes early specially if they have adults helping them learn how to do what they want.

it states she is not a citizen so who knows maybe the father did say i will send you back home to learn Islam or so u can learn to be a better Muslim because she wanted to date like her friends do the point is nobody knows.

anything is possiable when dealing the teenagers.

i remember the police showing up at our home one time because my elder brother was picked up stoned out of his mind so he tried to take the attention away from him by saying my mom abused him.

after the police saw my moms broken arm they understood who really had abused who.

i just am not so fast to believe any teenager that calls wolf and every Muslim teenager knows that people that are not Muslim will run fast to save them if they start screaming their parents are going to do an honor killing, true or not.

sadly there are parents that have done honor killing that is wrong even in Islam

sara

[merijan 0]

We may not know all the facts but one thing we do know for sure is that if it were a Christian girl and ran away to a Muslim home , they would have been arrested, tried already by the media, etc... that I do know.

[msheesha 548]

We may not know all the facts but one thing we do know for sure is that if it were a Christian girl and ran away to a Muslim home , they would have been arrested, tried already by the media, etc... that I do know.

I think you're exactly right!

[aisha kandisha 0]

I agree with the thorough investigation part however I disagree that the evidence presented isn't compelling enough. Basically you are saying that the girl and pastors recollection of the events are a lie and that the video of her in court in the fetal position crying and outside the court crying "you don't understand they will kill me" is a disingenuous act and that the threats made to her were not real and she does not fear for her life.

Who knows if the threats are real or if her crying is a reaction to fear? Ever hear of Tawana Brawley? People make up crazy stories all the time. Many times children/teens are most afraid of their parents when they have betrayed their parents and they are afraid to face them and own up to it. Instead of jumping to conclusions let the real facts be brought to light. If her family did in fact threaten to kill her, their rights should be terminated.

[sara..... 371]

We may not know all the facts but one thing we do know for sure is that if it were a Christian girl and ran away to a Muslim home , they would have been arrested, tried already by the media, etc... that I do know.

i have a friend that reverted last year to Islam she is 25 her family tried to get her locked up in a mental hospital calmed she was having a mental break down.

sara

[msheesha 548]

I agree with the thorough investigation part however I disagree that the evidence presented isn't compelling enough. Basically you are saying that the girl and pastors recollection of the events are a lie and that the video of her in court in the fetal position crying and outside the court crying "you don't understand they will kill me" is a disingenuous act and that the threats made to her were not real and she does not fear for her life.

Who knows if the threats are real or if her crying is a reaction to fear? Ever hear of Tawana Brawley? People make up crazy stories all the time. Many times children/teens are most afraid of their parents when they have betrayed their parents and they are afraid to face them and own up to it. Instead of jumping to conclusions let the real facts be brought to light. If her family did in fact threaten to kill her, their rights should be terminated.

Exactly! Kids who run away- for whatever reason - often will not be all that honest to divert the attention away from their own impulsive actions (like running away to Florida). I wonder why going to the police or child protective services in Ohio weren't the option she chose. What's with everyone jumping to conclusions, and assuming the father abused her?

And, someone said that Muslims who convert to Christianity experience horrible things. The assumptions and unsubstantiated conclusions on this thread against these Muslim parents are examples of the horrible things that Muslims experience every day. I hope for their sakes that your husbands don't have to face the same quick unsubstantiated conclusions as many here have made about this situation.

[Nagishkaw 510]

We may not know all the facts but one thing we do know for sure is that if it were a Christian girl and ran away to a Muslim home , they would have been arrested, tried already by the media, etc... that I do know.

Do you?

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

I am sorry but something in the home situation had to prompt her to cross four state lines and have these emotional reactions from her and for a Christian pastor believe her and put his neck and his families neck out on the line for her. It could be one flash point incident but most likely a brewing series of events as was chronological in the article. That's not to say that teenagers don't have impulsive actions, seek attention, and turn against their parents when they are in trouble with them. I just hate for the threats to be real and genuine and her fears to be founded and no rational adult will listen to her because they are thinking this way some of you are suggesting and return her to her parents who are a real threat to her. On the other hand using the honor killing threat as an excuse for her behavior if it is not real is inexcusable and would be a terrible injustice to the family and many Muslims who are stigmatize by that.

[KHPerfectMatch 1]

We may not know all the facts but one thing we do know for sure is that if it were a Christian girl and ran away to a Muslim home , they would have been arrested, tried already by the media, etc... that I do know.

Tried AND Convicted, and on a plane to Gitmo or the "SUPER MAX" prison in Colorado... (or a basement dungeon at FOX News Headquarters) never to be seen or heard from again.

There would be a "Shock-u-mentary" made about the girl's TERRIFYING experience played continuously on FOX to convince and terrorize the American public that "THOSE TERRORIST PERVERTS" are here not only to kill you, but to kidnap your innocent Christian daughters, force them to convert "BY THE SWORD" and sell them into the "heathen harems"of dirty infidel despots... I can see it already....

BTW, in case anyone is under the impression that ISLAM (not Muslims) condones honor killing, or prescribes the death penalty for apostasy (leaving Islam)... it's just not true... there are plenty of MUSLIMS who believe this... but it's not ISLAM.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satelli...d=1119503543392

http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Apostasy1.htm

On the other hand.... if the incident in Ohio happened in Egypt (and stuff like that does happen) there would be rioting in the streets for DAYS...

Thank goodness most Americans are a lot less emotional about such things... (quick, before I forget, let me write that in my book of reasons why I'm glad I live here....)

For those of you married to Muslim men and planning to raise their children (who will of COURSE be MUSLIM) here in the USA, start buying parenting books for your husbands... because they have very LITTLE experience with any method of controlling the behavior of children other than endless threats (VERY LOUD ONES) and eventually when shouting fails, as it always does, they move on to CORPORAL PUNISHMENT.

Eventually the subject of moving back to MENA (to raise the kids) will undoubtably come up on a REGULAR basis...and of course the Male MENA breadwinner can't leave his job here in the USA, so be prepared for the suggestion that you take the kids and go live in MENA "for the sake of the children"...

I've been watching this scenario play out for 30 years.. and it hasn't improved much with this younger generation of MENA fathers. Perhaps the exception is those born and raised here, who marry someone with a similar cultural background born and raised here... (And those couples aren't on VJ..) They seem to manage raising kids here more effectively... or at least it looks that way from the outside.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

The point I like to make, is that it does happen in all kinds of circumstances. Regardless of what "religious" group someone is part of, it has happened. I'd hate to know that if it really did happen to that girl that there were alot of people that didnt take it serious. I hope and pray it doesnt happen to that girl.

Yes we know children lie and manipulate, but we also know that violence happens to people from any group and anywhere of the world.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

and to add: before I left Atlanta I had a muslim male say something about Adam in front of me to 2 of my 2 muslim girlfirends. The 3 of us girls were chatting together and he came up he said something so I answered him back in arabic. Then he made a comment about Adam being mushrik and said, well you know what that means about your husband and made the show hands as slit the throat. I thought that was rude of him and I told him that I thought so and I would keep my eyes on him since my husbands beliefs wasnt his business. Then he was like oh well, its more of something my grandfather would believe not me. umm yah right.

anyways, again im sure it happens in any group, but I hope no one here believes that stuff like that cant happen near home.

[sandinista! 1,816]

For those of you married to Muslim men and planning to raise their children (who will of COURSE be MUSLIM) here in the USA, start buying parenting books for your husbands... because they have very LITTLE experience with any method of controlling the behavior of children other than endless threats (VERY LOUD ONES) and eventually when shouting fails, as it always does, they move on to CORPORAL PUNISHMENT.

Eventually the subject of moving back to MENA (to raise the kids) will undoubtably come up on a REGULAR basis...and of course the Male MENA breadwinner can't leave his job here in the USA, so be prepared for the suggestion that you take the kids and go live in MENA "for the sake of the children"...

I've been watching this scenario play out for 30 years.. and it hasn't improved much with this younger generation of MENA fathers. Perhaps the exception is those born and raised here, who marry someone with a similar cultural background born and raised here... (And those couples aren't on VJ..) They seem to manage raising kids here more effectively... or at least it looks that way from the outside.

thank you for this valuable insight, your 30 years of experience must mean you know everyone's husbands better than they do.

so it's basically a matter of just a few years before my kids start getting smacked around and then those kids and i are put on a plane to morocco. again, thanks for the heads up, now i can start planning accordingly.

[msheesha 548]

For those of you married to Muslim men and planning to raise their children (who will of COURSE be MUSLIM) here in the USA, start buying parenting books for your husbands... because they have very LITTLE experience with any method of controlling the behavior of children other than endless threats (VERY LOUD ONES) and eventually when shouting fails, as it always does, they move on to CORPORAL PUNISHMENT.

Eventually the subject of moving back to MENA (to raise the kids) will undoubtably come up on a REGULAR basis...and of course the Male MENA breadwinner can't leave his job here in the USA, so be prepared for the suggestion that you take the kids and go live in MENA "for the sake of the children"...

I've been watching this scenario play out for 30 years.. and it hasn't improved much with this younger generation of MENA fathers. Perhaps the exception is those born and raised here, who marry someone with a similar cultural background born and raised here... (And those couples aren't on VJ..) They seem to manage raising kids here more effectively... or at least it looks that way from the outside.

thank you for this valuable insight, your 30 years of experience must mean you know everyone's husbands better than they do.

so it's basically a matter of just a few years before my kids start getting smacked around and then those kids and i are put on a plane to morocco. again, thanks for the heads up, now i can start planning accordingly.

YES, OF COURSE!!! Because EVERY mena man is EXACTLY the same as the next - no variations, no differences. What an astute and brilliant observation! Kudos to you, KHPerfectmatch, for the most insightful post of the day!