Here's the Real Fear from the Politicos of the Right Wing

[GaryC 7]

You can bet it will be a variation of what we have now. That will not gain support.

I'm glad your crystal ball is workin' cause mine isn't.

Do you really think the people in power will give up their chance to fatten their wallets? Sorry, whatever comes out of committee will be even worse than what we are seeing right now.

[DIARD 1]

Here is some reality for you Steven. The health care bill is dying and will not pass. Not because of some "right wing" manipulation but because the people don't want it.

Support for Congressional Health Care Reform Falls to New Low

Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That’s down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.

Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...alls_to_new_low

I think most people want healthcare reform, they just don't want this particular reform. Or more correctly what they think this particular reform is. As far as polls, I take them with a grain a salt and always have. How 1000 people are representative of our 300 million plus population, is beyond me. We need insurance reform in this country badly and as soon as possible. I do believe however that rushing this through is probably not a great idea and they should give it at least until next spring to hash through everything.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Here is some reality for you Steven. The health care bill is dying and will not pass. Not because of some "right wing" manipulation but because the people don't want it.

Support for Congressional Health Care Reform Falls to New Low

Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That's down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.

Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...alls_to_new_low

I think most people want healthcare reform, they just don't want this particular reform. Or more correctly what they think this particular reform is. As far as polls, I take them with a grain a salt and always have. How 1000 people are representative of our 300 million plus population, is beyond me. We need insurance reform in this country badly and as soon as possible. I do believe however that rushing this through is probably not a great idea and they should give it at least until next spring to hash through everything.

Rasmussen polls seem to always work for Gary!

[Heracles 417]

I think most people want healthcare reform, they just don't want this particular reform. Or more correctly what they think this particular reform is. As far as polls, I take them with a grain a salt and always have. How 1000 people are representative of our 300 million plus population, is beyond me. We need insurance reform in this country badly and as soon as possible. I do believe however that rushing this through is probably not a great idea and they should give it at least until next spring to hash through everything.

If this doesn't go through now, it will never go through. When it comes to people's lives, time is important. America sure as heck hastily rushed out to start two wars because of the death of what 3,000 people. Whereas, more than that die each day from health issues yet they are dragging their feet.

Edited August 13, 2009 by haza

[GaryC 7]

Here is some reality for you Steven. The health care bill is dying and will not pass. Not because of some "right wing" manipulation but because the people don't want it.

Support for Congressional Health Care Reform Falls to New Low

Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That's down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.

Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...alls_to_new_low

I think most people want healthcare reform, they just don't want this particular reform. Or more correctly what they think this particular reform is. As far as polls, I take them with a grain a salt and always have. How 1000 people are representative of our 300 million plus population, is beyond me. We need insurance reform in this country badly and as soon as possible. I do believe however that rushing this through is probably not a great idea and they should give it at least until next spring to hash through everything.

Rasmussen polls seem to always work for Gary!

So Rasmussen is now on "the list" of organizations that are right wing patsy's?

[nowhereman 1]

Here is some reality for you Steven. The health care bill is dying and will not pass. Not because of some "right wing" manipulation but because the people don't want it.

Support for Congressional Health Care Reform Falls to New Low

Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That's down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.

Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...alls_to_new_low

I think most people want healthcare reform, they just don't want this particular reform. Or more correctly what they think this particular reform is. As far as polls, I take them with a grain a salt and always have. How 1000 people are representative of our 300 million plus population, is beyond me. We need insurance reform in this country badly and as soon as possible. I do believe however that rushing this through is probably not a great idea and they should give it at least until next spring to hash through everything.

Rasmussen polls seem to always work for Gary!

So Rasmussen is now on "the list" of organizations that are right wing patsy's?

At a glance the numbers appear valid.

[Heracles 417]

What's the opposition to the plan anyway? Clownish comments like, I don't want the government touching my medicare.

The polls don't demonstrate opposition, what they do is illustrate the disparity in the education system across the country. The thought that anyone earning under $200K is against reform is lunacy.

Edited August 13, 2009 by haza

[nowhereman 1]

What's the opposition to the plan anyway? Clownish comments like, I don't want the government touching my medicare.

The polls don't demonstrate opposition, what they do is illustrate the disparity in the education system across the country. The thought that anyone earning under $200K is against reform is lunacy.

Americans want cheaper healthcare w/o sacrificing quality. How to get there is the hard part & all the mud slinging back & forth certainly doesn't help.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Bill Kristol: This Is The Week To Kill Health Care

By Rachel Weiner

At the Weekly Standard, editor Bill Kristol has declared war on health care reform, telling Republicans now is the time to "go for the kill."

With Obamacare on the ropes, there will be a temptation for opponents to let up on their criticism, and to try to appear constructive, or at least responsible. There will be a tendency to want to let the Democrats' plans sink of their own weight, to emphasize that the critics have been pushing sound reform ideas all along and suggest it's not too late for a bipartisan compromise over the next couple of weeks or months. [...]

[T]his is not the time to let them off the ropes. This is the week to highlight every problem, every terrible provision, in the Democratic bills: from taxes and spending to government control and rationing to federal funding for abortion and government-required death-with-dignity counseling sessions for the elderly. Throw the kitchen sink at the legislation now on the table, drive a stake through its heart (I apologize for the mixed metaphors), and kill it.

Kristol sang the same tune in 1994 -- only then he was more blunt, telling Republicans to forget the policy implications and kill the bill to keep Democrats down. It worked then. But as Joe Klein writes at Time, "That was then. The conservative tide was still flowing strong. It's ebbing now, although many Congressional Democrats haven't figured that out yet."

Kristol isn't the only conservative media figure to go all out against reform. Media Matter has compiled a video of right-wing pundits and talk show hosts throwing the kitchen sink at health care legislation:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/20/b...e_n_241046.html

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Sen. Boxer: "We Won’t Walk Away From The Healthcare Debate"

“Mostly white, angry and disruptive,” that’s how Elaine Jenkins of Riverside described a rambunctious health care town hall meeting that she attended with her daughter Jenna in Alhambra Tuesday night.

“The faces didn’t represent America,” said Jenkins one of a handful of African-Americans in attendance. “Agree or disagree with health reform, I think it’s un-American to block civilized debate,” said Jenkins who left the meeting early.

“I was turned off by the antics,” she said adding, “I worry the bitter sessions will discourage many people from attending such forums.”

The meeting hosted by Democratic Congressman Adam B. Schiff who represents California’s 29th Congressional District, including the communities of Alhambra, Altadena, Burbank, Glendale, and South Pasadena was moved from the Community Room of the Civic Center Library outdoors because of the large crowd.

While jeers and taunts frequently drowned out Schiff, and a panel of medical experts, California Senator Barbara Boxer insists Democratic lawmakers are determined to press on with what is arguably the country’s most important policy discussion in decades.

“This is not a debate we are going to walk away from,” said Boxer. “We know a lot of people will come to these town hall meetings and start screaming. We need to hear what they have to say. Hopefully we can forge some common ground once they hear our positions.

We welcome the debate.”

Real or imagined, many people perceive an organized attack by conservative groups out to stifle the health care debate.

“It felt like organized chaos,” said Jenkins of the Alhambra town hall meeting. Jenkins lost her health insurance in 2008 after being laid off her job as a real estate appraiser. The 54-year-old mother of three is battling breast cancer and mounting medical bills. She says eventually the public will see past the ugly rethoric.

“The protests will drive people to ignore the vicious accusations and misinformation. We have to do our own homework,” said Jenkins. “I think what people want most is affordability and protection from the big insurers,” says Jenkins.

It’s the one issue in the health care debate that nearly everyone can agree on. Better consumer protections are needed to end the nightmare of not being able to get covered for a treatable if costly illness. Yet Jenkins fears such practical considerations are being drowned out by the noisy confrontations and the passionate argument about the government’s role and reach into medical matters.

Democrats say the bill working its way through Congress includes significant consumer protections that would end denial or cancellation of coverage for medical reasons from high cholesterol to cancer. Insurers could no longer base premiums on a person’s medical history, although they can charge more for coverage to 50 year olds than people in their 20s.

Under the proposal people would buy their own policy and those working for small businesses, would gain many of the advantages employees of Fortune 500 companies now have. That would eliminate ‘job lock’ the fear of leaving employment that provides medical benefits.

Experts say it would bring drug costs, insurance and insurability standards into line with medical practice and with the way people live their lives.

Braced for a fight he never got, President Barack Obama went on the offensive in support of his health care plan Tuesday, urging a town hall audience not to listen to those who seek to “scare and mislead the American people.”

The White House had been ready for an unruly reception from opponents of overhauling health care. There was no sign of that, perhaps because of the makeup of the day’s crowd or out of traditional deference for the president.

For all the scare tactics out there, what is truly scary is if we do nothing,” Obama told a friendly crowd of about 1,800 in a Portsmouth, New Hampshire high school auditorium and a nationwide audience watching on cable television.

He told his audience reassuringly, “For all the chatter and the yelling and the shouting and the noise, what you need to know is this ... if you do have health insurance, we will make sure that no insurance company or government bureaucrat gets between you and the care you need.”

A successful reform package he insists should provide the kind of stability where you will always have coverage, even if your job doesn’t provide it, where it is easy and affordable to shop for health insurance through an exchange, where you can’t be denied health coverage for a pre-existing condition or charged more because of your gender.

Mr. Obama said reform should also ensure that the costs of health care don’t threaten family finances, that doctors are paid for making patients well and not ordering unnecessary tests, and that their health-care premiums are spent on actual care, not paying for piles of paperwork and red tape.

Meanwhile local Democratic lawmakers who’ve scheduled community meetings and town halls are bracing for bitter sessions underscoring the challenge for the administration as it tries to win over an increasingly uneasy public on the costly and far reaching task of revamping the nation’s health care system.

http://www.blackvoicenews.com/content/view/43399/3/

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Here is some reality for you Steven. The health care bill is dying and will not pass. Not because of some "right wing" manipulation but because the people don't want it.

Support for Congressional Health Care Reform Falls to New Low

Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That's down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.

Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...alls_to_new_low

I think most people want healthcare reform, they just don't want this particular reform. Or more correctly what they think this particular reform is. As far as polls, I take them with a grain a salt and always have. How 1000 people are representative of our 300 million plus population, is beyond me. We need insurance reform in this country badly and as soon as possible. I do believe however that rushing this through is probably not a great idea and they should give it at least until next spring to hash through everything.

Rasmussen polls seem to always work for Gary!

So Rasmussen is now on "the list" of organizations that are right wing patsy's?

I didn't say that, but not knowing the wording of Rasmussen polls, they sure seem to adhere to your right wing talking points... Coincidence? Perhaps...

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Here is some reality for you Steven. The health care bill is dying and will not pass. Not because of some "right wing" manipulation but because the people don't want it.

Support for Congressional Health Care Reform Falls to New Low

Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That's down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of those under 30 favor the plan while 56% of those over 65 are opposed. Among senior citizens, 46% are strongly opposed.

Predictably, 69% of Democrats favor the plan, while 79% of Republicans oppose it. Yet while 44% of Democratic voters strongly favor the reform effort, 70% of GOP voters are strongly opposed to it.

Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...alls_to_new_low

I think most people want healthcare reform, they just don't want this particular reform. Or more correctly what they think this particular reform is. As far as polls, I take them with a grain a salt and always have. How 1000 people are representative of our 300 million plus population, is beyond me. We need insurance reform in this country badly and as soon as possible. I do believe however that rushing this through is probably not a great idea and they should give it at least until next spring to hash through everything.

Rasmussen polls seem to always work for Gary!

So Rasmussen is now on "the list" of organizations that are right wing patsy's?

I didn't say that, but not knowing the wording of Rasmussen polls, they sure seem to adhere to your right wing talking points... Coincidence? Perhaps...

If you can't trust pollsters, who can you trust?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The GOP strategy is to kill health care reform...and the biggest reason is because they know that once reform legislation has passed, Americans will be in favor of it, and it will be one more social program thorn that derails their ideology that social programs don't work.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I think most people want healthcare reform, they just don't want this particular reform. Or more correctly what they think this particular reform is. As far as polls, I take them with a grain a salt and always have. How 1000 people are representative of our 300 million plus population, is beyond me. We need insurance reform in this country badly and as soon as possible. I do believe however that rushing this through is probably not a great idea and they should give it at least until next spring to hash through everything.

Rushing it through? Gee, and I thought that conceptual work on health care reform has been done for the last few decades. How many more decades does that need to continue for people to not feel that health care reform is "rushed"? As for taking until next year to get it done, that would be history repeating itself. Nothing that major ever has or ever will go through Congress in an election year. Not going to happen. That's a cold political reality that the reform effort is up against. Ignoring that would be equal to burying the effort altogether. Which is what the GOP is looking for and which is why they continue to falsely suggest that this measure is being rushed.

[HAL 9000 96]

The GOP strategy is to kill health care reform...and the biggest reason is because they know that once reform legislation has passed, Americans will be in favor of it, and it will be one more social program thorn that derails their ideology that social programs don't work.

You mean once the misinformation is over, people will actually pay attention to the details... and support it. I saw polls where people that oppose it on face value from 'what they knew' suddenly changed their minds after being correctly informed of the content. No big surprise, really.