Wot is the problem with a national health service in USA????

[luckytxn 2,264]

As said before most have insurance and great health care and most of the 47 million that don't have insurance could but won't pay for it as they are younger and feel invincible. There are a few million left that don't haver and could use it but to throw out the whole to see to the few by a government take over is not the way it needs to be done. Just because many on this site come from someplace that has a Socialized health care and want to bring your inept health care here does not mean we have to do so. You either like it here or not. Simple as that.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

As said before most have insurance and great health care and most of the 47 million that don't have insurance could but won't pay for it as they are younger and feel invincible. There are a few million left that don't haver and could use it but to throw out the whole to see to the few by a government take over is not the way it needs to be done. Just because many on this site come from someplace that has a Socialized health care and want to bring your inept health care here does not mean we have to do so. You either like it here or not. Simple as that.

So what's your solution for those who want insurance but don't have it?

[rebeccajo 14]

For the US to have a system such as the UK, we (the government) would have to own the hospitals.

That's not going to happen over here.

It was easier to establish the NHS when half the hospitals in the country had been blown to bits by the Germans.

so we just need to go to war with the germans to facilitate this smooth transition?

Nooooooooo.........jeez.

I'm saying the NHS wasn't born simply out of a national desire to provide universal care for all the citizens of the UK. It was a post-WWII effort that had infrastructure rebuild and job creation as part of its appeal.

And I'm also saying that the US government ain't gonna buy up all the hospitals in the US. So we won't EVER have a truly socialized healthcare program (which the NHS is considered to be the truest model of).

[HAL 9000 96]

As said before most have insurance and great health care and most of the 47 million that don't have insurance could but won't pay for it as they are younger and feel invincible. There are a few million left that don't haver and could use it but to throw out the whole to see to the few by a government take over is not the way it needs to be done. Just because many on this site come from someplace that has a Socialized health care and want to bring your inept health care here does not mean we have to do so. You either like it here or not. Simple as that.

Oh brother.

So... if its only a few million (only)... then a public option [that would cover them at lower cost vs private plans that somehow the majority of those 47 million that miraculously now can afford coverage under current premium structures] would not be much of a drop in the budgetary bucket and therefore your logic is nothing more than a fail.

[luckytxn 2,264]

As said before most have insurance and great health care and most of the 47 million that don't have insurance could but won't pay for it as they are younger and feel invincible. There are a few million left that don't haver and could use it but to throw out the whole to see to the few by a government take over is not the way it needs to be done. Just because many on this site come from someplace that has a Socialized health care and want to bring your inept health care here does not mean we have to do so. You either like it here or not. Simple as that.

So what's your solution for those who want insurance but don't have it?

Go get insurance. Now if they need insurance and don't work at a place that has it then start trying to get on with a company that has insuarnce like everyone else has to ever do in life here. I remember starting out in my former career and after I got experience I started to look at other companies that had benefits and eventually got with one and stayed there.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

As said before most have insurance and great health care and most of the 47 million that don't have insurance could but won't pay for it as they are younger and feel invincible. There are a few million left that don't haver and could use it but to throw out the whole to see to the few by a government take over is not the way it needs to be done. Just because many on this site come from someplace that has a Socialized health care and want to bring your inept health care here does not mean we have to do so. You either like it here or not. Simple as that.

So what's your solution for those who want insurance but don't have it?

Go get insurance. Now if they need insurance and don't work at a place that has it then start trying to get on with a company that has insuarnce like everyone else has to ever do in life here. I remember starting out in my former career and after I got experience I started to look at other companies that had benefits and eventually got with one and stayed there.

What if a person is struck by a serious illness during the 30-day waiting period before his/her benefits kick in at a new awesome employer? Assume he/she worked real hard for a few years to get into this job.

Should that person be allowed to fall through the cracks?

[luckytxn 2,264]

Out of that supposed 47 million most could get health care but choose not to participate and have the deductions taken out to get insurance. They were in a age range where they did not feel the need to apply for it.

No reason to allow the Socialists to take over our great health care and gain that level of control of our lives.

[rebeccajo 14]

As said before most have insurance and great health care and most of the 47 million that don't have insurance could but won't pay for it as they are younger and feel invincible. There are a few million left that don't haver and could use it but to throw out the whole to see to the few by a government take over is not the way it needs to be done. Just because many on this site come from someplace that has a Socialized health care and want to bring your inept health care here does not mean we have to do so. You either like it here or not. Simple as that.

So what's your solution for those who want insurance but don't have it?

Go get insurance. Now if they need insurance and don't work at a place that has it then start trying to get on with a company that has insuarnce like everyone else has to ever do in life here. I remember starting out in my former career and after I got experience I started to look at other companies that had benefits and eventually got with one and stayed there.

Poof! New job with health insurance! Affordable health insurance with no deductibles and no copays and no out of pocket and no pre-existing and no non-formularies and no pre-certs and all that jazz!

[luckytxn 2,264]

As said before most have insurance and great health care and most of the 47 million that don't have insurance could but won't pay for it as they are younger and feel invincible. There are a few million left that don't haver and could use it but to throw out the whole to see to the few by a government take over is not the way it needs to be done. Just because many on this site come from someplace that has a Socialized health care and want to bring your inept health care here does not mean we have to do so. You either like it here or not. Simple as that.

So what's your solution for those who want insurance but don't have it?

Go get insurance. Now if they need insurance and don't work at a place that has it then start trying to get on with a company that has insuarnce like everyone else has to ever do in life here. I remember starting out in my former career and after I got experience I started to look at other companies that had benefits and eventually got with one and stayed there.

What if a person is struck by a serious illness during the 30-day waiting period before his/her benefits kick in at a new awesome employer? Assume he/she worked real hard for a few years to get into this job.

Should that person be allowed to fall through the cracks?

Yes. Why not? They made a choice to change a job or whatever reason to get that way. Why do I need the government to come in with a huge lumbering bureaucracy that is expensive that is going to be centrally located in Washington D.C. that hardly cares about a single citizen as they have shown in the past?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

As said before most have insurance and great health care and most of the 47 million that don't have insurance could but won't pay for it as they are younger and feel invincible. There are a few million left that don't haver and could use it but to throw out the whole to see to the few by a government take over is not the way it needs to be done. Just because many on this site come from someplace that has a Socialized health care and want to bring your inept health care here does not mean we have to do so. You either like it here or not. Simple as that.

So what's your solution for those who want insurance but don't have it?

Go get insurance. Now if they need insurance and don't work at a place that has it then start trying to get on with a company that has insuarnce like everyone else has to ever do in life here. I remember starting out in my former career and after I got experience I started to look at other companies that had benefits and eventually got with one and stayed there.

Poof! New job with health insurance! Affordable health insurance with no deductibles and no copays and no out of pocket and no pre-existing and no non-formularies and no pre-certs and all that jazz!

In all fairness, there's nothing wrong with deductibles and copays. Patients should be expected share cost with the insurer.

The problem is when the insurer puts a cap on yearly and lifetime benefits and when they exclude people for pre-existing.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

What if a person is struck by a serious illness during the 30-day waiting period before his/her benefits kick in at a new awesome employer? Assume he/she worked real hard for a few years to get into this job.

Should that person be allowed to fall through the cracks?

Yes. Why not?

Because removing existing disincentives from making a positive career move is a good thing.

[mawilson 2,133]

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Dude that road looks better than half the roads and bridges around NYC.

I know. NYC roads suck.

[HAL 9000 96]

I wonder how many unemployed/ UNDERemployed citizens can afford COBRA or self-insured plans and the rent... as well as feeding the kids.

Yeah... I smell a rat.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

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Dude that road looks better than half the roads and bridges around NYC.

I know. NYC roads suck.

It's so much worse on Long Island tho.

I wonder how many unemployed/ UNDERemployed citizens can afford COBRA or self-insured plans and the rent... as well as feeding the kids.

Yeah... I smell a rat.

Kill the kids.

[mawilson 2,133]

most of the countries with the top GDP per capita, that is, the ones above the US.

There are maybe a dozen countries with a higher per-capita GDP and their numbers are not that far off.

Australia: $47,400

US: $46,859

What are we talking about here, a $500 difference?