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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Limbaugh’s Nazi slurs draw condemnation

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi threw Rush Limbaugh into a snit when she objected to use of Nazi symbols by anti-health-reform protesters.

On Aug. 5, when a reporter asked Pelosi if she thought the right-wing-organized protests were real grassroots expressions, she replied, "I think they are Astroturf, you be the judge."

Astroturf, the fake grass used in sports arenas, is being used to refer to fake “grassroots” happenings that are a specialty of far-right groups, going back to the “Brooks Brothers riot” in December 2000 that intimidated Miami-Dade election officials into stopping the vote recounting.

"They're carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care," Pelosi noted.

Limbaugh, the next day on his radio talk show, accused Pelosi of being “deranged” because “she's running around now claiming that we're Nazis, that not only are we an unruly mob but that people are showing up wearing swastikas.”

But a spokesman for Pelosi told FOXNews.com that Pelosi was referring to a photo taken at a Massachusetts town hall meeting hosted by Democratic Rep. Ed Markey. The photo showed a protester holding a sign bearing a swastika crossed out over Obama's name and a question mark.

Also in Massachusetts, according to news reports, one protester compared Democratic Rep. Jim McGovern to the Nazi Josef Mengele, who did ghastly medical experiments on concentration camp prisoners.

At a photo site linked to the right-wing freerepublic.com, someone named Dallas59 posted a photo of people at an unidentified rally holding a giant photo of Obama with a Hitler mustache drawn on.

On Aug. 7, CNN’s Rick Sanchez identified the same photo as from a rally outside a health care forum in Romulus, Mich.

Sanchez also displayed a photo from Texas of a man holding a sign depicting Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett as the devil, next to another sign with the symbol of the Nazi SS and a slogan talking about stopping socialism.

Today, Rep. David Scott, D-Ga., told reporters that his district office in Smyrna was vandalized with a four-foot swastika last night.

Viveca Novak, at factcheck.org, writes, “Pelosi did not actually accuse opponents of being neo-Nazis; that’s just the way Limbaugh and others chose to interpret her phrase, ‘carrying swastikas and symbols like that.’ It is clear from the images in hand that the anti-Obama protesters were the ones accusing others of Nazi-like tendencies. And Pelosi turns out to be right.”

In fact, Limbaugh spent much of his Aug. 6 radio diatribe invoking the Nazis and Adolf Hitler in a highly provocative way, with a strong paranoid streak.

Limbaugh declared, “The Democrat Party and where it's taken this country, the radical left leadership of this party bears much more resemblance to Nazi policies than anything we on the right believe in at all.”

“The Obama health care logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika logo,” Limbaugh claimed, calling it “right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook.” He likened Obama to Adolf Hitler, saying President Obama is “not who he said he was” and cannot be trusted.

An event today showed that Limbaugh’s provocative language is not just an abstract matter.

MSNBC today aired footage of the crowd gathering before Obama’s afternoon town hall meeting on health care in New Hampshire, and pointed out one man in a group holding protest signs with a gun in a holster on his hip.

The gun-toting protestor was holding a sign reading “It is Time to Water the Tree of Liberty.” It is a reference to the Thomas Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Police said the man is legally carrying the gun, is nowhere near where the president will be, and is "under constant surveillance," Talking Points Memo reports.

Last Friday, major Jewish groups condemned the use of Nazi comparisons and images to attack health care reform.

David A. Harris, president of the National Jewish Democratic Council, called the Nazi references "not funny" and "profoundly troubling."

"At these too-well-organized 'mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore' town hall meetings around the country this August, more and more of these disturbing Nazi comparisons are cropping up — and they all seem to be coming from the heart of the Republican base," he said. "And it has to stop."

The Anti-Defamation League issued a statement condemning the use of Nazi imagery by some reform opponents as "outrageous, offensive and inappropriate."

The ADL, the nation's largest Jewish civil rights group, specifically condemned Limbaugh’s Nazi comparisons.

“The use of Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate," said ADL national director Abraham H. Foxman, a Holocaust survivor.

"Comparisons to the Nazis are deeply offensive and only serve to diminish and trivialize the extent of the Nazi regime's crimes against humanity and the murder of six million Jews and millions of others in the Holocaust," said Foxman. "I don't see any comparison here. It's off-center, off-issue and completely inappropriate."

The National Jewish Democratic Council has an online petition “Tell Rush: Nazi Rhetoric Must Stop.” It calls on Clear Channel Communications (the parent company of Premiere Radio Networks which produces “The Rush Limbaugh Show”) to “stop allowing Limbaugh to abuse the memory of the more than 12 million Holocaust victims who suffered and died at the hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime.”

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Limbaugh compares Obama's new healthcare logo to Nazi swastika

Godwin’s Law states that the longer a debate goes on, the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Hitler rises. It seems the debate over healthcare is no exception.

Over the last few days, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) has repeatedly accused people at a recent protest against President Obama's healthcare reform of wearing swastikas and SS symbols -- a claim that was later bolstered by a series of photographs.

"I think they’re AstroTurf, you be the judge," said Pelosi. "They’re carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."

Perennial Obama critic and conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh was quick to respond to the accusations, arguing today on his radio show that it was in fact the Democrats who were using Nazi symbolism to advance their agenda. He cited a post on the conservative blog Sweetness & Light that compares Obama's new healthcare logo -- a combination of his campaign logo and the ancient Greek symbol of medicine -- to the Nazi swastika symbol.

“They accuse of us being Nazis, and Obama's got a healthcare logo that's right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook,” said Limbaugh.

Limbaugh then proceeded to describe the ways Democrats are like Nazis -- a list that included their dedication to animal rights and their opposition to smoking and pollution.

Well, the Nazis were against big business -- they hated big business. And of course we all know that they were opposed to Jewish capitalism. They were insanely, irrationally against pollution. They were for two years mandatory voluntary service to Germany. They had a whole bunch of make-work projects to keep people working, one of which was the Autobahn. They were against cruelty and vivisection of animals, but in the radical sense of devaluing human life, they banned smoking. They were totally against that. They were for abortion and euthanasia of the undesirables, as we all know, and they were for cradle-to-grave nationalized healthcare.

What do you think? Is Obama's new healthcare logo really a symbolic reference to Nazism?

--Brendan Bigelow

[mawilson 2,133]

Brendan Bigelow

- American Gigolo?

[nowhereman 1]

Rush Limbaugh is a complete moron & nothing he says should be taken seriously. However with that being said he isn't denying that the holocaust happened by labeling Obama a Nazi (he is just making a nonsensical analogy, which is par for the course for him).

It was in response to Nancy Pelosi saying there were people with swastikas in the 'mobs' at the town hall meetings.

Context!!! You should try it actually listening to Rush before you shoot that mouth off.... but you won't.

Luckystrike for the first time in the history of VJ you are correct... I don't listen to what Rush Limbaugh says anymore. I also don't listen to the ramblings of homeless people with severe mental issues either (if I offended homeless people with mental health issues by comparing you to Rush I apologize). Point being Rush says stupid stuff so often he has no credibility left so yes I automatically assume he's full of ####### every time he opens his mouth.

Also Pike just showed that Rush DID compare Obama's policies to Nazism so you were also full of fecal matter... I'm shocked!!

Edited August 11, 2009 by nowhereman

[GabiandVi 34]

I wish this guy had quoted Limbaugh, Beck, and Palin and put the quotes in context. This is the first I've heard of them comparing anyone to Nazis, but I don't keep up with them, so I don't really know. I don't know if this is true or if this guy is reacting to hearsay. If this is true, it is disgraceful and all three should be called on this. I've heard this analogy made over and over again in the last two decades for every little and big thing, and it pisses me off everytime I hear or see it. It isn't so much a denial as it is trivializing what happened under the Nazis. Anyone who uses this analogy for anything less than actual genocide is an idiot and should be revealed as such. Like I've said, I haven't heard any of the three mentioned in the article using this analogy, but I sure have heard/seen a LOT of other people using it to "debate" completely different issues around the world and over the last 20 years or so.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Rush Limbaugh is a complete moron & nothing he says should be taken seriously. However with that being said he isn't denying that the holocaust happened by labeling Obama a Nazi (he is just making a nonsensical analogy, which is par for the course for him).

It was in response to Nancy Pelosi saying there were people with swastikas in the 'mobs' at the town hall meetings.

Context!!! You should try it actually listening to Rush before you shoot that mouth off.... but you won't.

Not to mention that it's extremely easy to tell when someone complaining about Rush doesn't listen to him. It makes them look foolish and incredible.

True to the political rhetoric double standard only liberals are allowed to conjure up Nazi symbolism among conservatives, not the other way around.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Sofiyya

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Rush Limbaugh is a complete moron & nothing he says should be taken seriously. However with that being said he isn't denying that the holocaust happened by labeling Obama a Nazi (he is just making a nonsensical analogy, which is par for the course for him).

It was in response to Nancy Pelosi saying there were people with swastikas in the 'mobs' at the town hall meetings.

Context!!! You should try it actually listening to Rush before you shoot that mouth off.... but you won't.

Not to mention that it's extremely easy to tell when someone complaining about Rush doesn't listen to him. It makes them look foolish and incredible.

True to the political rhetoric double standard only liberals are allowed to conjure up Nazi symbolism among conservatives, not the other way around.

The Right Wing Nuts have a special place in the hall of shame when it comes to double standards. There's also a plaque of Denial next to it.

[alienlovechild 75]

Not to mention that it's extremely easy to tell when someone complaining about Rush doesn't listen to him. It makes them look foolish and incredible.

Those same posters are desperately looking to someone else to blame for Obama and the Democrats flailing policies after kicking the GOP out the picture. They were looking for the "leader of the GOP" earlier but finding no one it's now the little people who are the biggest obstacle. They ignored the tea parties and are now some are running scared from the town halls.

That's why they blame protesting citizens and more visible bad guys like Limbaugh. It comes from focus group sessions so expect the Democrats to explode if they can't pass the health bill by themselves.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I should have bolded the relevant section. Here it is again:

In fact, Limbaugh spent much of his Aug. 6 radio diatribe invoking the Nazis and Adolf Hitler in a highly provocative way, with a strong paranoid streak.

Limbaugh declared, “The Democrat Party and where it's taken this country, the radical left leadership of this party bears much more resemblance to Nazi policies than anything we on the right believe in at all.”

“The Obama health care logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika logo,” Limbaugh claimed, calling it “right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook.” He likened Obama to Adolf Hitler, saying President Obama is “not who he said he was” and cannot be trusted.

“They accuse of us being Nazis, and Obama's got a healthcare logo that's right out of Adolf Hitler's playbook,” said Limbaugh.

Limbaugh then proceeded to describe the ways Democrats are like Nazis -- a list that included their dedication to animal rights and their opposition to smoking and pollution.

Well, the Nazis were against big business -- they hated big business. And of course we all know that they were opposed to Jewish capitalism. They were insanely, irrationally against pollution. They were for two years mandatory voluntary service to Germany. They had a whole bunch of make-work projects to keep people working, one of which was the Autobahn. They were against cruelty and vivisection of animals, but in the radical sense of devaluing human life, they banned smoking. They were totally against that. They were for abortion and euthanasia of the undesirables, as we all know, and they were for cradle-to-grave nationalized healthcare.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Here's the transcript to the August 6th show.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Its funny how terrified liberals are of private citizens. Rush, Palin, Beck.... If what they are saying is nonsensical and irrelevant, then why are you spending so much time trying to discredit them (failing of course). Free speech is frightening to those trying to shove through massive socialism.

All of you had nothing to say when Bush was called hitler, and drawn with a hitler mustache and a swastika. You're hypocrits and payback's a biznitch. I'll sit back, watch the town-halls with a smile on my face and think back to all your code-pink and planned parenthood BS.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its funny how terrified liberals are of private citizens. Rush, Palin, Beck.... If what they are saying is nonsensical and irrelevant, then why are you spending so much time trying to discredit them (failing of course). Free speech is frightening to those trying to shove through massive socialism.

All of you had nothing to say when Bush was called hitler, and drawn with a hitler mustache and a swastika. You're hypocrits and payback's a biznitch. I'll sit back, watch the town-halls with a smile on my face and think back to all your code-pink and planned parenthood BS.

Political discourse at its finest.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Its funny how terrified liberals are of private citizens. Rush, Palin, Beck.... If what they are saying is nonsensical and irrelevant, then why are you spending so much time trying to discredit them (failing of course). Free speech is frightening to those trying to shove through massive socialism.

All of you had nothing to say when Bush was called hitler, and drawn with a hitler mustache and a swastika. You're hypocrits and payback's a biznitch. I'll sit back, watch the town-halls with a smile on my face and think back to all your code-pink and planned parenthood BS.

WORD!

What's amazing to me is how easily they believe anything another silly liberal says, so they automatically assume conservatives believe everything another conservative says. That's why talk show hosts bedevil them so.

Edited August 12, 2009 by Sofiyya

[Niels Bohr 72]

Eh? What easy for me to understand is that these so called conservatives still used their medicine, and technologies from liberals. Now, spitting those hipocrasy words back into the mouth that it came from.

pwned!

Edited August 12, 2009 by Niels Bohr

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What's amazing to me is how easily they believe anything another silly Right Winger says, so they automatically assume all progressives believe everything other progressives say. That's why talk show hosts bedevil them so.

I couldn't agree with you more.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That's why its not a good idea to generalise.

Its not necessary on these boards when people post all kinds of crazy and outrageous things.