Holocaust Deniers Limbaugh, Beck and Palin...

[mawilson 2,133]

He *is* right though - using the Holocaust to make dubious comparisons for the sake of ridiculing policy initiatives like healthcare reform does trivialise it.

Interesting how the tables have turned. Not too long ago, GaryC was lecturing you on how comparisons

with Nazi Germany and the Holocaust were "wrong and insulting" and you defended it by saying that

there's something "to be learned from history".

If you are not implying it then why even mention the Nazi's? Your intent is to bring that mind-set into the conversation and plant that thought into peoples minds. I find it insulting. Putting into place security measures of the kind we have are to protect us, not to take away our freedoms. I have been living under those new protections since 9/11 and I am still as free as I was before. I don't feel oppressed or under some "big-brother" microscope. There are two possabilities here. Either your just paranoid and see government spies everywhere or your using this as a tool to extend your agenda. Get a grip man. The only ones that should worry about the security measures are the terrorists. All your doing is advocating for the bad guys.

Here's my answer to that question. Reposted from another thread:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...41900&st=45

Everyone should 'worry' about this. Its all well and good saying that "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" but that requires an implicit trust in the government that it will not overstep the bounds of their authority, not just now, but in the future. And I'm not just talking about the Bush administration - corrupt and incompentant they may be, but that's beside the point. Its dangerous to weaken the institutions and principles of our democracy with these kinds of laws - because it leaves the way open for dangerous abuses by extremely unscrupulous and unethical people. There's a common "if it hasn't happened before, why should it happen now?" element to this - but clearly, whether it has or hasn't is irrelevant - by creating the possibility that it could.

Adolf Hitler, for example, completely deconstructed the constitution of the German state (the Weimar constitution) by the enactment of two pieces of legislation that effectively gave him ultimate power. That constitution BTW, is acknowledged to be one of the most democratic pieces of political legislation in the 20th century.... and we know how badly that whole thing ended...

So while you can feel secure in the knowledge that you won't be persecuted if you've done nothing wrong what happens when the definitions of "right and wrong" shift to include anyone who even hints at expressing a negative opinion about the government? That view, by the way, is one that already resonates with quite a lot of ordinary Americans - who label any political opposition to be disloyal or traitorous.

The reason I mentioned the Holocaust is because it illustrates the need to be politically active - to oppose oppressive measures that weaken our democratic freedoms.

More BS. Our constitution is being taken apart. There is nothing wrong with questioning what the government is doing but to draw compairsons to Nazi Germany is wrong and insulting. It looks like you fall into the paranoid class.

So you say. I guess there's nothing to be learned from history - or should I say, "the pre-color TV era".

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

A lot of people were concerned about the shifting balance of executive power under Bush/Cheney as it pertained to civil liberties.

The idea that national constitutions can be destroyed by national security legislation isn't untrue (or indeed out of context with the subject).

Edited August 11, 2009 by Private Pike

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

[nowhereman 1]

Rush Limbaugh is a complete moron & nothing he says should be taken seriously. However with that being said he isn't denying that the holocaust happened by labeling Obama a Nazi (he is just making a nonsensical analogy, which is par for the course for him).

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Rush Limbaugh is a complete moron & nothing he says should be taken seriously. However with that being said he isn't denying that the holocaust happened by labeling Obama a Nazi (he is just making a nonsensical analogy, which is par for the course for him).

Last night Michael Savage was talking about how disabled children will be forcibly euthanased and how the Democratic Congress wants to put people into internment camps.

Who needs hallucinogenic drugs, when you have these guys...

[mawilson 2,133]

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Suddenly I'm reminded of that old song YMCA.

Who's wearing the plumbers outfit then?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Suddenly I'm reminded of that old song YMCA.

Who's wearing the plumbers outfit then?

Lets just say you got cleaned out by the infamous plumber.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe or Mario?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Joe or Mario?

Both! Didnt feel a thing either, did ya?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ah that explains it.

Thanks for clearing that up. Insightful as always.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Rush Limbaugh is a complete moron & nothing he says should be taken seriously. However with that being said he isn't denying that the holocaust happened by labeling Obama a Nazi (he is just making a nonsensical analogy, which is par for the course for him).

It was in response to Nancy Pelosi saying there were people with swastikas in the 'mobs' at the town hall meetings.

Context!!! You should try it actually listening to Rush before you shoot that mouth off.... but you won't.

[Pooky 3,786]

Rush Limbaugh is a complete moron & nothing he says should be taken seriously. However with that being said he isn't denying that the holocaust happened by labeling Obama a Nazi (he is just making a nonsensical analogy, which is par for the course for him).

It was in response to Nancy Pelosi saying there were people with swastikas in the 'mobs' at the town hall meetings.

Context!!! You should try it actually listening to Rush before you shoot that mouth off.... but you won't.

So, by default, Nowhereman is calling Nancy Pelosi a complete moron.

Got that one right!

[alienlovechild 75]

It was in response to Nancy Pelosi saying there were people with swastikas in the 'mobs' at the town hall meetings.

But Pelosi is only Speaker of the House and third in line to the presidency. She can say any crazy thing because she doesn't have real power like Limbaugh et al.

I trust her judgement on health care because she can see all the swastikas on protestors that mere mortals cannot.

[dalegg 143]

I love how some VJ members will read some garbage that someone posts and just assume automatically that its true.

Edited August 11, 2009 by dalegg