Holocaust Deniers Limbaugh, Beck and Palin...

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"In the meantime, those who actually purport to be journalists and lawmakers have let law enforcement slide, attacked our Constitution, advocated their own personal biases and manufactured crisis..."

So as a Conserative, were you for or against the Bush Administration? Just wondering because your statement I bolded was what we endured the last 8 years.

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My first response to this article was how unfortunate it was this guy used the WW2 story of his father for such a cheap political swipe at the Right.

(Thats pretty low)

Really and truly the Left use the Hitler/ Nazi association are a regular tactic, the only one they use more is "racist".

I suspect Rush and others are trying to return the same attacks that have been a constant at them.

Generally Elected officials are more careful but; someone help me remember...... Didn't some Congressman/ Senator Use the Nazi comparison when speaking of Gitmo Prison in Cuba?

Now I'm wondering.... if Using the Nazi comparison is ... or should be, off limits (at least until the Dems are out of power)... is the Communist comparison still Kool?

One could add up the deaths, figure in the the equally inhumane treatment of "its" victims and make an equally (perhaps even more) compelling case for make Communisms comparative use as taboo too.

I say let people use what terms they want, I think it is clear when someone "over-reaches" with such extreme comparisons anyway.

Certainly no one thinks Rush, Palin Beck are "Deniers" (no matter what else you might think) to even post this piece here with a straight face is laughable.

You could use the Communist analogy but Socialist seems to be most popular on here. Though I think it is a false anaolgy as some Democrats are almost as far into the pocket of corporate America as the Repulicans.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Fine - you don't idolise Rush. You just reference him (a lot).

Of course there's not even a pause for thought when it comes to dire state of the media in this country and how the press aren't filling their natural role in a democratic society - the horror! Of course the popularity of media personalities (like Rush) doesn't factor into that picture at all, does it.

No need to answer - I get it. And I'm sure there's room for a semantic reversal of my words - which in lieu of a counterpoint you may feel free to put up.

It's what I expect.

Here's some news for you, I don't reference him alot. I acknowledge that I listen to him, and I will correct misinformation about him, but I rarely raise the subject of Rush myself. Since he's a Leftist target, you Leftists have been effectively programmed, like Pavlov's dogs, to react to any objections to Barry's agenda by blaming Bush and Rush, so he comes up alot.

Rush does factor into the equation, but not nearly as much as politicians who make law do. Since Rush isn't a journalist nor a politician, merely a pundit, I'm not sure why he looms so large for libs other than he sticks in Barry's craw. He's been around for a long time, and during that time, Democrats and Republicans came and went in and out of power. He didn't make any of that happen. During that time, he hasn't started nor ended a war, levied a tax, signed or vetoed a bill, or sanctioned a treaty. He has nothing more than a microphone and his own opinions to offer.

In the meantime, those who actually purport to be journalists and lawmakers have let law enforcement slide, attacked our Constitution, advocated their own personal biases and manufactured crisis to further an agenda that seeks to convince us that the US is a cancer on the earth. Obama runs around apologizing to communists and dictators for slights, real and imagined and talking this country down, to the delight of the liberal media. Those are the people I have my eye on and the ones who concern me the most.

Keep your eye on them by all means.

But once a partisan extremist, always a partisan extremist... The polarised black and white views you (and others) espouse that require people to be generalised and placed into neat little labelled boxes are as bad a problem as deficient journalism. In fact, when soundbite talking points are repeated verbatim from politicians, columnists and media personalities (like Rush) I question whether those attitudes can be separated from the bad journalism at all.

Seems to me that the poster who went off on that rather crazy off the wall rant when I asked for clarity on Rush's alleged 98.8% is a classic case in point.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

"In the meantime, those who actually purport to be journalists and lawmakers have let law enforcement slide, attacked our Constitution, advocated their own personal biases and manufactured crisis..."

So as a Conserative, were you for or against the Bush Administration? Just wondering because your statement I bolded was what we endured the last 8 years.

Do you think Bush and conservative are related? I assure you, they are not. I don't worry so much about the past 8 years. I lived thru Jimmy Carter and Nixon. Both were far worse than Bush. The past is over. I'm more concerned about the here and now.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I think this Joseph schmuck is actually a regular VJ'er using an alternate account. He's doing nothing but trolling the political threads and seems to know everyone here already.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Fine - you don't idolise Rush. You just reference him (a lot).

Of course there's not even a pause for thought when it comes to dire state of the media in this country and how the press aren't filling their natural role in a democratic society - the horror! Of course the popularity of media personalities (like Rush) doesn't factor into that picture at all, does it.

No need to answer - I get it. And I'm sure there's room for a semantic reversal of my words - which in lieu of a counterpoint you may feel free to put up.

It's what I expect.

Here's some news for you, I don't reference him alot. I acknowledge that I listen to him, and I will correct misinformation about him, but I rarely raise the subject of Rush myself. Since he's a Leftist target, you Leftists have been effectively programmed, like Pavlov's dogs, to react to any objections to Barry's agenda by blaming Bush and Rush, so he comes up alot.

Rush does factor into the equation, but not nearly as much as politicians who make law do. Since Rush isn't a journalist nor a politician, merely a pundit, I'm not sure why he looms so large for libs other than he sticks in Barry's craw. He's been around for a long time, and during that time, Democrats and Republicans came and went in and out of power. He didn't make any of that happen. During that time, he hasn't started nor ended a war, levied a tax, signed or vetoed a bill, or sanctioned a treaty. He has nothing more than a microphone and his own opinions to offer.

In the meantime, those who actually purport to be journalists and lawmakers have let law enforcement slide, attacked our Constitution, advocated their own personal biases and manufactured crisis to further an agenda that seeks to convince us that the US is a cancer on the earth. Obama runs around apologizing to communists and dictators for slights, real and imagined and talking this country down, to the delight of the liberal media. Those are the people I have my eye on and the ones who concern me the most.

Keep your eye on them by all means.

But once a partisan extremist, always a partisan extremist... The polarised black and white views you (and others) espouse that require people to be generalised and placed into neat little labelled boxes are as bad a problem as deficient journalism. In fact, when soundbite talking points are repeated verbatim from politicians, columnists and media personalities (like Rush) I question whether those attitudes can be separated from the bad journalism at all.

Seems to me that the poster who went off on that rather crazy off the wall rant when I asked for clarity on Rush's alleged 98.8% is a classic case in point.

If you're here to constantly remind people that they are partisan, you're wasting your time. People who post on political threads do so because they tend to take sides on issues. I'm not a middle of the road, millymouth, non-commital fence sitter, but then, I'm not a journalist whose role is to be objective and informative, under the mandate of the First Amendment. I don't have to be impartial, nor does anyone else here, so stop confusing opinionated voters here with the Constitutionally protected media.

I think this Joseph schmuck is actually a regular VJ'er using an alternate account. He's doing nothing but trolling the political threads and seems to know everyone here already.

Can't speak to Joe specifically, but I read this site for a year before registering. It is certainly possible to join, then hit the ground running.

[DIARD 1]

"In the meantime, those who actually purport to be journalists and lawmakers have let law enforcement slide, attacked our Constitution, advocated their own personal biases and manufactured crisis..."

So as a Conserative, were you for or against the Bush Administration? Just wondering because your statement I bolded was what we endured the last 8 years.

Do you think Bush and conservative are related? I assure you, they are not. I don't worry so much about the past 8 years. I lived thru Jimmy Carter and Nixon. Both were far worse than Bush. The past is over. I'm more concerned about the here and now.

The Conservatives are what put the Bush Administration in office in the first place. The past may be over but we are still living the legacy of the past 8 years and will be until we can reverse the damage that they caused. I think personally Bush himself wasn't as bad as Nixon but his administration (some of which served under Nixon) were.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Fine - you don't idolise Rush. You just reference him (a lot).

Of course there's not even a pause for thought when it comes to dire state of the media in this country and how the press aren't filling their natural role in a democratic society - the horror! Of course the popularity of media personalities (like Rush) doesn't factor into that picture at all, does it.

No need to answer - I get it. And I'm sure there's room for a semantic reversal of my words - which in lieu of a counterpoint you may feel free to put up.

It's what I expect.

Here's some news for you, I don't reference him alot. I acknowledge that I listen to him, and I will correct misinformation about him, but I rarely raise the subject of Rush myself. Since he's a Leftist target, you Leftists have been effectively programmed, like Pavlov's dogs, to react to any objections to Barry's agenda by blaming Bush and Rush, so he comes up alot.

Rush does factor into the equation, but not nearly as much as politicians who make law do. Since Rush isn't a journalist nor a politician, merely a pundit, I'm not sure why he looms so large for libs other than he sticks in Barry's craw. He's been around for a long time, and during that time, Democrats and Republicans came and went in and out of power. He didn't make any of that happen. During that time, he hasn't started nor ended a war, levied a tax, signed or vetoed a bill, or sanctioned a treaty. He has nothing more than a microphone and his own opinions to offer.

In the meantime, those who actually purport to be journalists and lawmakers have let law enforcement slide, attacked our Constitution, advocated their own personal biases and manufactured crisis to further an agenda that seeks to convince us that the US is a cancer on the earth. Obama runs around apologizing to communists and dictators for slights, real and imagined and talking this country down, to the delight of the liberal media. Those are the people I have my eye on and the ones who concern me the most.

Keep your eye on them by all means.

But once a partisan extremist, always a partisan extremist... The polarised black and white views you (and others) espouse that require people to be generalised and placed into neat little labelled boxes are as bad a problem as deficient journalism. In fact, when soundbite talking points are repeated verbatim from politicians, columnists and media personalities (like Rush) I question whether those attitudes can be separated from the bad journalism at all.

Seems to me that the poster who went off on that rather crazy off the wall rant when I asked for clarity on Rush's alleged 98.8% is a classic case in point.

If you're here to constantly remind people that they are partisan, you're wasting your time. People who post on political threads do so because they tend to take sides on issues. I'm not a middle of the road, millymouth, non-commital fence sitter, but then, I'm not a journalist whose role is to be objective and informative, under the mandate of the First Amendment. I don't have to be impartial, nor does anyone else here, so stop confusing opinionated voters here with the Constitutionally protected media.

You're right - you don't have to be impartial.

You just have to be honest (actually no you don't have to be that either, it being a free country and all, but its surely a good thing set your aim somewhat high, eh?) - and constantly stereotyping people in order to villify them and their views isn't honest.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

"In the meantime, those who actually purport to be journalists and lawmakers have let law enforcement slide, attacked our Constitution, advocated their own personal biases and manufactured crisis..."

So as a Conserative, were you for or against the Bush Administration? Just wondering because your statement I bolded was what we endured the last 8 years.

Do you think Bush and conservative are related? I assure you, they are not. I don't worry so much about the past 8 years. I lived thru Jimmy Carter and Nixon. Both were far worse than Bush. The past is over. I'm more concerned about the here and now.

The Conservatives are what put the Bush Administration in office in the first place. The past may be over but we are still living the legacy of the past 8 years and will be until we can reverse the damage that they caused. I think personally Bush himself wasn't as bad as Nixon but his administration (some of which served under Nixon) were.

Citizens 18 and over, not otherwise barred, are eligible to vote. At some points in history, some voting blocs are more motivated than others. The Black vote put Obama over the top. So, we should blame them when he fails and we're seeking further recovery.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Fine - you don't idolise Rush. You just reference him (a lot).

Of course there's not even a pause for thought when it comes to dire state of the media in this country and how the press aren't filling their natural role in a democratic society - the horror! Of course the popularity of media personalities (like Rush) doesn't factor into that picture at all, does it.

No need to answer - I get it. And I'm sure there's room for a semantic reversal of my words - which in lieu of a counterpoint you may feel free to put up.

It's what I expect.

Here's some news for you, I don't reference him alot. I acknowledge that I listen to him, and I will correct misinformation about him, but I rarely raise the subject of Rush myself. Since he's a Leftist target, you Leftists have been effectively programmed, like Pavlov's dogs, to react to any objections to Barry's agenda by blaming Bush and Rush, so he comes up alot.

Rush does factor into the equation, but not nearly as much as politicians who make law do. Since Rush isn't a journalist nor a politician, merely a pundit, I'm not sure why he looms so large for libs other than he sticks in Barry's craw. He's been around for a long time, and during that time, Democrats and Republicans came and went in and out of power. He didn't make any of that happen. During that time, he hasn't started nor ended a war, levied a tax, signed or vetoed a bill, or sanctioned a treaty. He has nothing more than a microphone and his own opinions to offer.

In the meantime, those who actually purport to be journalists and lawmakers have let law enforcement slide, attacked our Constitution, advocated their own personal biases and manufactured crisis to further an agenda that seeks to convince us that the US is a cancer on the earth. Obama runs around apologizing to communists and dictators for slights, real and imagined and talking this country down, to the delight of the liberal media. Those are the people I have my eye on and the ones who concern me the most.

Keep your eye on them by all means.

But once a partisan extremist, always a partisan extremist... The polarised black and white views you (and others) espouse that require people to be generalised and placed into neat little labelled boxes are as bad a problem as deficient journalism. In fact, when soundbite talking points are repeated verbatim from politicians, columnists and media personalities (like Rush) I question whether those attitudes can be separated from the bad journalism at all.

Seems to me that the poster who went off on that rather crazy off the wall rant when I asked for clarity on Rush's alleged 98.8% is a classic case in point.

If you're here to constantly remind people that they are partisan, you're wasting your time. People who post on political threads do so because they tend to take sides on issues. I'm not a middle of the road, millymouth, non-commital fence sitter, but then, I'm not a journalist whose role is to be objective and informative, under the mandate of the First Amendment. I don't have to be impartial, nor does anyone else here, so stop confusing opinionated voters here with the Constitutionally protected media.

You're right - you don't have to be impartial.

You just have to be honest (actually no you don't have to be that either, it being a free country and all, but its surely a good thing set your aim somewhat high, eh?) - and constantly stereotyping people in order to villify them and their views isn't honest.

It's also best not to be hypocritical. You'll have to be around here for a lot longer in order to have spent more time not stereotypng and villifying posters and ideas you disgree with than you will have spent stereotyping them, so far. Let us know when to start the countdown.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Citizens 18 and over, not otherwise barred, are eligible to vote. At some points in history, some voting blocs are more motivated than others. The Black vote put Obama over the top. So, we should blame them when he fails and we're seeking further recovery.

Too bad the economy seems to be recovering already, although there is likely a long hard road to total recovery. Also too bad that Obama seems pretty adept at getting his legislative agenda enacted.

One more time VW, next time don't run a loser? Ok? This is a democracy, and last November, you lost.

[DIARD 1]

Citizens 18 and over, not otherwise barred, are eligible to vote. At some points in history, some voting blocs are more motivated than others. The Black vote put Obama over the top. So, we should blame them when he fails and we're seeking further recovery.

I think you will have to blame alot more than that IF Obama fails. Like the Independants and the Republicans that were disgusted with the Bush years and voted for Obama.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Citizens 18 and over, not otherwise barred, are eligible to vote. At some points in history, some voting blocs are more motivated than others. The Black vote put Obama over the top. So, we should blame them when he fails and we're seeking further recovery.

Too bad the economy seems to be recovering already, although there is likely a long hard road to total recovery. Also too bad that Obama seems pretty adept at getting his legislative agenda enacted.

One more time VW, next time don't run a loser? Ok? This is a democracy, and last November, you lost.

I didn't lose a thing. I just voted. The whole country lost and they can't blame me. However, I'm quite sure than not voting for a candidate doesn't preclude anyone from voicing an opinion and attempting to block their policies. Obama hasn't done all that much, so we disagree with his adeptness at getting his agenda enacted. Nearly 10% unemployment - and that's not counting the unemployed who've dropped off the radar - and triple the debt are things only a kool-aid guzzler can celebrate and call an economic recovery.

Barry can't even keep his promises not to raise taxes, be transparent, post bills before votes, not hire lobbyists, and adopt a kennel dog. He's just getting started being a big disappointment. I have the luxury of knowing he's not my fault. That's my victory.

[GaryC 7]

My first response to this article was how unfortunate it was this guy used the WW2 story of his father for such a cheap political swipe at the Right.

(Thats pretty low)

Really and truly the Left use the Hitler/ Nazi association are a regular tactic, the only one they use more is "racist".

I suspect Rush and others are trying to return the same attacks that have been a constant at them.

Generally Elected officials are more careful but; someone help me remember...... Didn't some Congressman/ Senator Use the Nazi comparison when speaking of Gitmo Prison in Cuba?

Now I'm wondering.... if Using the Nazi comparison is ... or should be, off limits (at least until the Dems are out of power)... is the Communist comparison still Kool?

One could add up the deaths, figure in the the equally inhumane treatment of "its" victims and make an equally (perhaps even more) compelling case for make Communisms comparative use as taboo too.

I say let people use what terms they want, I think it is clear when someone "over-reaches" with such extreme comparisons anyway.

Certainly no one thinks Rush, Palin Beck are "Deniers" (no matter what else you might think) to even post this piece here with a straight face is laughable.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Citizens 18 and over, not otherwise barred, are eligible to vote. At some points in history, some voting blocs are more motivated than others. The Black vote put Obama over the top. So, we should blame them when he fails and we're seeking further recovery.

I think you will have to blame alot more than that IF Obama fails. Like the Independants and the Republicans that were disgusted with the Bush years and voted for Obama.

The Republican Party ran a candidate adored by liberals because he's more like them than like a conservative. I think the libs and RINOS will have lots of explaining to do when Barry crashes and burns. There's a limit to adoration in the face of adversity.