Well don't we look like the a-holes...

[Flames9_RN 358]

I agree should have been faster. But if they find someone with a "forged" passport they have to be be detained. And I dont imagine the jails are as nice over there as they are here,lol And yes, we don't know all the facts.

[moni_calla 0]

I agree should have been faster. But if they find someone with a "forged" passport they have to be be detained. And I dont imagine the jails are as nice over there as they are here,lol And yes, we don't know all the facts.

As her home country they should have done some investigating and tried to protect her before alienating her from her child and having her deal w those conditions for months, she could have immigrated to a country in that amt of time.

As I said before they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt on this one, it is shameful for a country like Canada to take such extreme measures.

Edited August 12, 2009 by moni_calla

[Flames9_RN 358]

Where are the facts that they were wrong at first? Yes they were proven wrong in the end by DNA. I'm no expert with regards to Kenya, but i'm lead to belive it isnt a technology advanced place. Just doing a quick google check, a DNA test can take 2-4 weeks. Unlike TV shows such as CSI, test results are not immediately available.

And do border guards "profile" people?? I'm sure they do, as their is actual facts that state certain people from certain countries are more likely to attempt to gain illegal entry into a country. Don't get mad at the people enforcing the rules, get angry at the people that are breaking them, and giving those people a bad reputation.

As I stated before, it could have been handled better and a bit faster, but ur not going to see lightning fast results as one sees on TV.

Not sure what you mean by "Canada doesnt deserve the benefit of doubt on this one?" I'm not trying to be ignorant, were all allowed our opinions. Canada owes it citizens a safe place to live, and if they believe someone is in possession of an illegal document, it is within in their right to act, but could have been a bit faster. Hopefully they will learn from this and others should check their passport pic to see if it still a valid looking picture.

While I pretty much agree with you flames - I mean what do we know about the facts really - I do believe that this woman was not treated with respect. She should have been presumed innocent until proven guilty - not thrown in jail.

She is a canadian citizen, regardless of where she was born she is a citizen of Canada. Canada called her an imposter and cancelled her passport, is that normal?

I think ur missing the point of this situation---the border officials believed it was a Forged passport. Forged passports are a huge deal. if they thought the passport was valid, this whole situation would not have taken place. The people that make "forged" passports are damn good at it, and its nearly impossible to tell them apart, so extra measure need to be taken. Just they were a tad slow at it.

Terrorists have kids as well, and many women are now used for terrorist activities. Just because 1 has a family, shouldnt mean they get special treatment. We shall just agree to disagree,lol

Edited August 12, 2009 by flames9

[Udella&Wiz 325]

Ok - I'll say it. Let's put the shoe on the other foot, shall we?

Perhaps - things weren't what they seemed, perhaps the Cdn official had some doubt as to her identity. Wouldn't we prefer them to keep our country safe by thoroughly checking anyone entering Canada? C'mon guys - dont jump the gun and say Canada is horrible and wrong and blah blah blah because something happened.

Duh, they profile, as if we didn't all think they did. We ALL do...we make assumptions based on what we know, not great, but we all do. Now I don't see this as being either racist or profiling - the official may have just been down right dumb!

I can personally comment on a situation from my past - it is well known that there are some immigrants from some African countries who attempt to get here (US or Canada) illegally. (turned out my daughter's father was one ). I am not saying anything against anyone of African descent so please don't bother going down that road. There are documented instances where people come under 1 name, are deported and return under anotehr assumed name. Feel free to watch the Dateline episode on that.

I dunno - maybe the dude was hyper aware of that, who knows.

Just my 2 cents for today

[moni_calla 0]

Ok - I'll say it. Let's put the shoe on the other foot, shall we?

Perhaps - things weren't what they seemed, perhaps the Cdn official had some doubt as to her identity. Wouldn't we prefer them to keep our country safe by thoroughly checking anyone entering Canada? C'mon guys - dont jump the gun and say Canada is horrible and wrong and blah blah blah because something happened.

Duh, they profile, as if we didn't all think they did. We ALL do...we make assumptions based on what we know, not great, but we all do. Now I don't see this as being either racist or profiling - the official may have just been down right dumb!

I can personally comment on a situation from my past - it is well known that there are some immigrants from some African countries who attempt to get here (US or Canada) illegally. (turned out my daughter's father was one ). I am not saying anything against anyone of African descent so please don't bother going down that road. There are documented instances where people come under 1 name, are deported and return under anotehr assumed name. Feel free to watch the Dateline episode on that.

I dunno - maybe the dude was hyper aware of that, who knows.

Just my 2 cents for today

It is a known fact that illegal immigrants try and cross all the time, but they usually have one piece of ID not numerous pieces and don't usually offer fingerprinting samples.....

[bowflex 0]

It is a known fact that illegal immigrants try and cross all the time, but they usually have one piece of ID not numerous pieces and don't usually offer fingerprinting samples.....

This entire story sucks and I feel very bad for the woman, and she's no doubt going to get some money from the government, but upon meeting numerous horrible border guards throughout my time going between the US and Canada, I have never once blamed an entire country for those idiots. Now maybe I could think about blaming whatever brain cell deficient person hired them but not the entire country.

She was in a part of the world where a lot of people are trying to get out of and the border guard had suspicions. Upon so many other parts of Canada's government getting involved and also being suspicious I think it was a little more than just one weird picture that had them troubled. As many have said we don't know the entire story so I'd definitely wait before claiming that a country is backwards.

As for the statement about most illegal immigrants not having more than one piece of ID, I'd be curious to know where you got that from. The fingerprinting I'm sure wouldn't be willingly done in most cases by someone trying to fake their way into a country, but if someone can forge a passport, I'd imagine they'd have the money to forge a much easier document such a driver's license or birth certificate.

[thetreble 19]

I'm really offended by your comments about our country. To say the situation wasn't a very good one is one thing, to put the worlds shame and Canada in the same sentence is another.

You know, if this were the US, no one would think twice and this wouldn't even be a news story. Because in America, people believe that the government should do everything to protect it's citizens at all costs.

I truly believe that Canadian Immigration and BP Services does the best job they can to protect the citizens of this country on a daily basis. A few people had the wrong suspicions but that is a part of the border protection process and I'm sure it happens all the time.

I'm disappointed in your comments, Cali, and it's my opinion that they are out of order. It appears you are taking your personal feelings about Canada and intertwining them with this story to make the conclusion that Canada is doomed and Canadians aren't good people.

[moni_calla 0]

I'm really offended by your comments about our country. To say the situation wasn't a very good one is one thing, to put the worlds shame and Canada in the same sentence is another.

You know, if this were the US, no one would think twice and this wouldn't even be a news story. Because in America, people believe that the government should do everything to protect it's citizens at all costs.

I truly believe that Canadian Immigration and BP Services does the best job they can to protect the citizens of this country on a daily basis. A few people had the wrong suspicions but that is a part of the border protection process and I'm sure it happens all the time.

I'm disappointed in your comments, Cali, and it's my opinion that they are out of order. It appears you are taking your personal feelings about Canada and intertwining them with this story to make the conclusion that Canada is doomed and Canadians aren't good people.

You are always offended when someone offends Canada, but the border reps representative Canada so.........

I can always count on you to assume and put ur own spin on things , you totally right that if I was American it wouldnt have made news but if it were American I prob wouldnt think anything of it as I am not American I am Canadian.

Didnt say anything about Canadians, Charlotte was right w her post the other day people don't read.

and who is Cali?

[trailmix 77]

You are always offended when someone offends Canada, but the border reps representative Canada so.........

I can always count on you to assume and put ur own spin on things , you totally right that if I was American it wouldnt have made news but if it were American I prob wouldnt think anything of it as I am not American I am Canadian.

Didnt say anything about Canadians, Charlotte was right w her post the other day people don't read.

and who is Cali?

If 'Canada' is not its people - then what is it? Just a bunch of land?

[thetreble 19]

Canada is absolutely disgusting

Um....Yes. Canada...not made up of Canadians? So you are calling land disgusting? Are you calling the praries disgusting or maybe just Northern Ontario?

It appears to me that I read you quite well, thanks. You were very well reffering to Canadians as that is who makes up Canada and this is what this discussion is about, not the physical geography that is Canada.

Same poster who said that Canadians should get preferential treatment in the immigration process over other foreign nations because..you know..we happen to live next door.

And now you are advocating against profiling?

Ahh Alanis..."Isn't it ironic, don't you think?"

[The Dude 206]

Canada is absolutely disgusting

Um....Yes. Canada...not made up of Canadians? So you are calling land disgusting? Are you calling the praries disgusting or maybe just Northern Ontario?

It appears to me that I read you quite well, thanks. You were very well reffering to Canadians as that is who makes up Canada and this is what this discussion is about, not the physical geography that is Canada.

Same poster who said that Canadians should get preferential treatment in the immigration process over other foreign nations because..you know..we happen to live next door.

And now you are advocating against profiling?

Ahh Alanis..."Isn't it ironic, don't you think?"

roflmao @ alanis morisette (the girl who knows not what irony is)

[The Dude 206]

In all seriousness, this happens each and every day. The only reason that this case received any media coverage is undoubtedly her family or friends reached out to the media in an effort to embarass the Canadian govt. into action. Immigration fraud is a legitimate problem that most western nations face each and every day. Is this scenario an indictment on the whole system? Certainly not. Furthermore, to draw a conclussion on an entire nation because of these actions is naive. Personal experiences aside, It's a bit of a strech to condemn a nation because of this.

[moni_calla 0]

In all seriousness, this happens each and every day. The only reason that this case received any media coverage is undoubtedly her family or friends reached out to the media in an effort to embarass the Canadian govt. into action. Immigration fraud is a legitimate problem that most western nations face each and every day. Is this scenario an indictment on the whole system? Certainly not. Furthermore, to draw a conclussion on an entire nation because of these actions is naive. Personal experiences aside, It's a bit of a strech to condemn a nation because of this.

The CDN gov't embarassed themselves, they simply let the world on it!

[The Dude 206]

In all seriousness, this happens each and every day. The only reason that this case received any media coverage is undoubtedly her family or friends reached out to the media in an effort to embarass the Canadian govt. into action. Immigration fraud is a legitimate problem that most western nations face each and every day. Is this scenario an indictment on the whole system? Certainly not. Furthermore, to draw a conclussion on an entire nation because of these actions is naive. Personal experiences aside, It's a bit of a strech to condemn a nation because of this.

The CDN gov't embarassed themselves, they simply let the world on it!

No, I think the agents who inspected her paperwork failed in their due dilligence, but I don't think their oversight is an embarassment on the entire country.

[moni_calla 0]

In all seriousness, this happens each and every day. The only reason that this case received any media coverage is undoubtedly her family or friends reached out to the media in an effort to embarass the Canadian govt. into action. Immigration fraud is a legitimate problem that most western nations face each and every day. Is this scenario an indictment on the whole system? Certainly not. Furthermore, to draw a conclussion on an entire nation because of these actions is naive. Personal experiences aside, It's a bit of a strech to condemn a nation because of this.

The CDN gov't embarassed themselves, they simply let the world on it!

No, I think the agents who inspected her paperwork failed in their due dilligence, but I don't think their oversight is an embarassment on the entire country.

But they were backed by Ottawa, Ottawa told the officers that she was an imposter and revoked her passport.