'Un-American' attacks can't derail health care debate

[alienlovechild 75]

What's wrong with waiting for the final details - why do people feel the need to make up garbage for the sake of hysteria?

Are you serious? Obama originally wanted to pass the bill as is before August. Little late to change it after it becomes law. Secondly, Obama was never interested in hearing from the little people because they're the same rubes clinging to their Bibles and guns.

"There was a strong agreement by everyone in the room that we can get a bill done before the start of the August recess," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "Sen. Reid intends to take a bill to the floor as quickly as possible."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/health/300787

[GaryC 7]

The CBO estimate is the only estimate we have that's been arrived at by any kind of actual methodology. That number is less than the CBO estimate (yes...) for the three Bush tax cuts.

You can rant and rave about how wrong the CBO is but unless you and your hillbilly buddies can put together something better, the CBO estimate is what we'll have to work with.

Now I know why you called yourself a troll AJ.

History is also something we have to work with. Show me any federal project that came in at or below the initial estimates. There isn't any. Every one of them shoots off the top of the charts after a few years.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The less we listen to the Bible and gun freaks, the better. They lost the election, it is madness that we give them so much importance.

The CBO estimate is the only estimate we have that's been arrived at by any kind of actual methodology. That number is less than the CBO estimate (yes...) for the three Bush tax cuts.

You can rant and rave about how wrong the CBO is but unless you and your hillbilly buddies can put together something better, the CBO estimate is what we'll have to work with.

Now I know why you called yourself a troll AJ.

History is also something we have to work with. Show me any federal project that came in at or below the initial estimates. There isn't any. Every one of them shoots off the top of the charts after a few years.

I am comparing two CBO estimates to each other.

You are comparing phantom non-numbers borne out of nothing but your fertile imagination.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Why don't people know what's in the bill? Why all the rancor over a bill that's not even fully formulated yet? Why is smooth talking Barry at a loss for words about the facts, preferring to instead create and encurage more invective and division against those who disagree with him?

The process around this issue is a serious failure on the part of the Democrat leadership and a very revealing chapter re how they really feel about the "great unwashed" among the electorate.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

He will deliver to those who voted for him. The rest of you can fuсk off. You asswipes lost.

[GaryC 7]

The less we listen to the Bible and gun freaks, the better. They lost the election, it is madness that we give them so much importance.

The CBO estimate is the only estimate we have that's been arrived at by any kind of actual methodology. That number is less than the CBO estimate (yes...) for the three Bush tax cuts.

You can rant and rave about how wrong the CBO is but unless you and your hillbilly buddies can put together something better, the CBO estimate is what we'll have to work with.

Now I know why you called yourself a troll AJ.

History is also something we have to work with. Show me any federal project that came in at or below the initial estimates. There isn't any. Every one of them shoots off the top of the charts after a few years.

I am comparing two CBO estimates to each other.

You are comparing phantom non-numbers borne out of nothing but your fertile imagination.

Sure AJ, anything you say man. Have fun with that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What's wrong with waiting for the final details - why do people feel the need to make up garbage for the sake of hysteria?

Are you serious? Obama originally wanted to pass the bill as is before August. Little late to change it after it becomes law. Secondly, Obama was never interested in hearing from the little people because they're the same rubes clinging to their Bibles and guns.

"There was a strong agreement by everyone in the room that we can get a bill done before the start of the August recess," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "Sen. Reid intends to take a bill to the floor as quickly as possible."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/health/300787

So should I infer here that in the US political process, the general public have means whatsoever of understanding what is in proposed legislation until it becomes law?

I'm sorry, but that's fvcking crazy.

Why don't people know what's in the bill? Why all the rancor over a bill that's not even fully formulated yet? Why is smooth talking Barry at a loss for words about the facts, preferring to instead create and encurage more invective and division against those who disagree with him?

The process around this issue is a serious failure on the part of the Democrat leadership and a very revealing chapter re how they really feel about the "great unwashed" among the electorate.

Its your political process. Enjoy!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

So should I infer here that in the US political process, the general public have means whatsoever of understanding what is in proposed legislation until it becomes law?

I'm sorry, but that's fvcking crazy.

It's not fuсking crazy, it's an outright lie. Typical ** strategy.

[GaryC 7]

What's wrong with waiting for the final details - why do people feel the need to make up garbage for the sake of hysteria?

Are you serious? Obama originally wanted to pass the bill as is before August. Little late to change it after it becomes law. Secondly, Obama was never interested in hearing from the little people because they're the same rubes clinging to their Bibles and guns.

"There was a strong agreement by everyone in the room that we can get a bill done before the start of the August recess," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "Sen. Reid intends to take a bill to the floor as quickly as possible."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/health/300787

So should I infer here that in the US political process, the general public have means whatsoever of understanding what is in proposed legislation until it becomes law?

I'm sorry, but that's fvcking crazy.

Well, Obama did say that any major bill would be published on the internet for everyone to look at before he signed it. I guess he forgot about that promise.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Yes, once the final bill comes out of reconciliation it will have to get passed by both houses again and then it'll go for signing. There will be a LOT of time then to look at the actual bill.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

He will deliver to those who voted for him. The rest of you can fuсk off. You asswipes lost.

Barry only won 52% of the popular vote (including dead Acorn recruits). That's not a mandate, and he doesn't have the good sense God gave him to stop his side from insulting their constituents. His agenda can be stopped, because he and his party can't get out of their own way.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Sofiyya

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What's wrong with waiting for the final details - why do people feel the need to make up garbage for the sake of hysteria?

Are you serious? Obama originally wanted to pass the bill as is before August. Little late to change it after it becomes law. Secondly, Obama was never interested in hearing from the little people because they're the same rubes clinging to their Bibles and guns.

"There was a strong agreement by everyone in the room that we can get a bill done before the start of the August recess," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "Sen. Reid intends to take a bill to the floor as quickly as possible."

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/health/300787

So should I infer here that in the US political process, the general public have means whatsoever of understanding what is in proposed legislation until it becomes law?

I'm sorry, but that's fvcking crazy.

Well, Obama did say that any major bill would be published on the internet for everyone to look at before he signed it. I guess he forgot about that promise.

I actually interested in this - I cannot believe that there is no means by which the public has access to the details of proposed legislation, if they should be so inclined.

I rather doubt that the country has been waiting all this for Obama to come along and provide this to them by the magic of the internet.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I actually interested in this - I cannot believe that there is no means by which the public has access to the details of proposed legislation, if they should be so inclined.

Heck, even our representatives don't always have access to the details of proposed legislation. Are you aware that it's not uncommon for bills to be written by special interests, to be introduced in committee?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I actually interested in this - I cannot believe that there is no means by which the public has access to the details of proposed legislation, if they should be so inclined.

Heck, even our representatives don't always have access to the details of proposed legislation. Are you aware that it's not uncommon for bills to be written by special interests, to be introduced in committee?

So the country's legislative business is devised and foisted on the public via the medium of fear, uncertainty and innuendo?

Explains why people are anti-government, I guess.

Good luck with your system. You guys are fvcked.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

####### - people are now agreeing with boo-yah

Don't pull your hair out, Charlie Brown.

politics does apparently make for strange bedfellows