Federal Gestapo Services ask good citizens to report any emails about health insurance reform that seem "fishy" to flag@whitehouse.gov

[SMOKE 1,426]

Irrelevant examples to irrelevant questions make for incongruous arguments.

and refusal to answer or even try. shows you know its a matter of time before a government insurance program will absorb any and all private sector competetion.

[GaryC 7]

Is this any different that the dems assertions that the GOP would make seniors eat dog food and live on the streets when the reps were in power? You act as if the GOP is doing something new.

I am not aware of any such claims having been made. Maybe you can share some details on that?

But let's say those claims were made - these would be just as dirty and unjustified. And claiming to seek bi-partisanship while making such outrageous claims would be just as dishonest.

That doesn't change the fact, however, that the GOP is, in fact, not seeking bi-partisanship on health care reform but is pursuing a strategy to kill any reform effort whatsoever. That's the point I am making here in response to your complaint that the GOP doesn't get any opportunity for input. They do but they don't want it.

You may not have been in America when this was going on. Trust me, the dems even ran commercials showing seniors eating dog food if the reps took power. And your right, we don't want to compromise on this. We want no part of it at all and we will kill this. Just watch.

So if I read you right here (and on the other page) you appear to be suggesting that its perfectly justifiable making completely, utterly false claims about proposed legislation in order to stop "the left" achieving a vaguely defined philosophical goal. Doesn't matter what's actually in the bill - it should be shot down regardless?

####### for Tat. When the reps want something the dems lie about it. When the dems want something the reps lie about it. It may not be nice but it is the way of things here. The left wants a government takeover of the health care system. I will oppose this in any way that works.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

We want no part of it at all and we will kill this. Just watch.

First tidbit of honesty I've seen coming from the Right Wingers regarding health care.

The Obama Administration can now effectively tell them '** you' right back and push this through. Time to take off the gloves since the Right Wingers don't want to play nice. We will have health care reform and the Right Wingers will have egg on their face. Mark my words.

[GaryC 7]

We want no part of it at all and we will kill this. Just watch.

First tidbit of honesty I've seen coming from the Right Wingers regarding health care.

The Obama Administration can now effectively tell them '** you' right back and push this through. Time to take off the gloves since the Right Wingers don't want to play nice. We will have health care reform and the Right Wingers will have egg on their face. Mark my words.

Watch the news man, the dems are getting such an earful that this stands no chance when congress comes back. The Blue Dogs will not go along with this. This is now a dead issue.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is this any different that the dems assertions that the GOP would make seniors eat dog food and live on the streets when the reps were in power? You act as if the GOP is doing something new.

I am not aware of any such claims having been made. Maybe you can share some details on that?

But let's say those claims were made - these would be just as dirty and unjustified. And claiming to seek bi-partisanship while making such outrageous claims would be just as dishonest.

That doesn't change the fact, however, that the GOP is, in fact, not seeking bi-partisanship on health care reform but is pursuing a strategy to kill any reform effort whatsoever. That's the point I am making here in response to your complaint that the GOP doesn't get any opportunity for input. They do but they don't want it.

You may not have been in America when this was going on. Trust me, the dems even ran commercials showing seniors eating dog food if the reps took power. And your right, we don't want to compromise on this. We want no part of it at all and we will kill this. Just watch.

So if I read you right here (and on the other page) you appear to be suggesting that its perfectly justifiable making completely, utterly false claims about proposed legislation in order to stop "the left" achieving a vaguely defined philosophical goal. Doesn't matter what's actually in the bill - it should be shot down regardless?

####### for Tat. When the reps want something the dems lie about it. When the dems want something the reps lie about it. It may not be nice but it is the way of things here. The left wants a government takeover of the health care system. I will oppose this in any way that works.

But Gary - you're always talking about the need to "clean house" in government and bemoaning corruption. Why then would you insist on justifying this sort redundant militant tripe?

Aren't you then just feeding the inherent corruption by doing this?

Essentially you're saying that the other side should fail - simply because they're the ones pushing for healthcare reform. Surely the discussion should be confined to what is actually being proposed, rather than inventing some spurious ####### to derail the process and wanting it (whatever it is) to fail at any cost.

Edited August 7, 2009 by Private Pike

[one...two...tree 2,762]

We want no part of it at all and we will kill this. Just watch.

First tidbit of honesty I've seen coming from the Right Wingers regarding health care.

The Obama Administration can now effectively tell them '** you' right back and push this through. Time to take off the gloves since the Right Wingers don't want to play nice. We will have health care reform and the Right Wingers will have egg on their face. Mark my words.

Watch the news man, the dems are getting such an earful that this stands no chance when congress comes back. The Blue Dogs will not go along with this. This is now a dead issue.

The fake plants aren't going to scare congressional Democrats into maintaining the status quo. Last November is still fresh on their minds and the minds of the American people. We had 8 years of Right Wing agenda and the American have spoken resoundingly. All the thugs and bullies by the Right Wing isn't going to stop this President. Sore loseritis is dreadful disease.

[Peikko 1,575]

You only have to look at the irrelevant back chatter in this thread to see how people like their politics - stinky and us vs them. Little boxes, little boxes...

Do I see any wolves?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Carthage must be destroyed!!

[natty bumppo 297]

You only have to look at the irrelevant back chatter in this thread to see how people like their politics - stinky and us vs them. Little boxes, little boxes...

Do I see any wolves?

haven't looked for those yet. though there are more than 3 bags full laying around ....

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You only have to look at the irrelevant back chatter in this thread to see how people like their politics - stinky and us vs them. Little boxes, little boxes...

Do I see any wolves?

[Peikko 1,575]

Well, I don't expect you to take this on board Steve, perhaps with a little more maturity...

[mawilson 2,133]

The Obama Administration can now effectively tell them '** you' right back and push this through.

LOL - yes they will and you will be the loseritis.

"Cut off your nose to spite your face."

[HAL 9000 96]

facts .... ok ... why is the administration not doing everything humanly possible to get them in front of the voters?

Its in the bill, should you care to discuss particulars.

In terms of 'polls' it is amazing how the numbers change from disfavor to favor once people are informed of the details in the actual legislation. Just sayin'.

LOL..."you can post any definition you want, and I still won't accept it! Neener, neener!"

Wake up and smell the coffee, Gary. You are a Conservative wannabe..a neo-con thinking you stand up for conservative ideals when in fact you are more libertarian when it comes to government and the market. Which is fine...but you ought to know the difference....hence the label, neo-con.

There you go again, telling me what I am. Sorry, I will not let you define me. I am the true conservative, the neo-cons are the reps in congress now. They left me, I didn't leave them.

Irrelevant examples to irrelevant questions make for incongruous arguments.

and refusal to answer or even try. shows you know its a matter of time before a government insurance program will absorb any and all private sector competetion.

Well I AM a HAL 9000...

But again... if you want to discuss this tangent, open up another thread.

[mawilson 2,133]

facts .... ok ... why is the administration not doing everything humanly possible to get them in front of the voters?

Its in the bill, should you care to discuss particulars.

Which one? HR 3200? There are 3 or 4 bills being circulated in the Senate and House.

[GaryC 7]

We want no part of it at all and we will kill this. Just watch.

First tidbit of honesty I've seen coming from the Right Wingers regarding health care.

The Obama Administration can now effectively tell them '** you' right back and push this through. Time to take off the gloves since the Right Wingers don't want to play nice. We will have health care reform and the Right Wingers will have egg on their face. Mark my words.

Watch the news man, the dems are getting such an earful that this stands no chance when congress comes back. The Blue Dogs will not go along with this. This is now a dead issue.

The fake plants aren't going to scare congressional Democrats into maintaining the status quo. Last November is still fresh on their minds and the minds of the American people. We had 8 years of Right Wing agenda and the American have spoken resoundingly. All the thugs and bullies by the Right Wing isn't going to stop this President. Sore loseritis is dreadful disease.

Just watch Steven. The health care reform will fail, so will cap and trade.