Don't want to be done for fraud....

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Please note that I did not violate the terms of service (which is proven by the fact that my posts have not been removed), so I do not need any condescending advice on reading them, thank you.

Nowhere did I advocate fraud. The problem in this thread was that you and some others cried fraud where there was none. The larger problem (here and in other threads) is what I perceive as an aggressive, self-righteous way to respond to other members, and as far as the tone is concerned, it doesn't matter if what they are thinking of doing is legal or not. One can and should point out the illegality in a more courteous way. Often people simply don't know the laws yet, and are here to learn. They don't deserve to be bashed for that.

I did not mean you

Read my original post: I told the OP to be extremely cautious. Why? Because I would hate for his entire future to be fvcked over the legalese of the immigration process: that would be sad and it is avoidable. It was not bashing; though I admit: I do not cuddle people, it's not my style.

[vip1 8]

Please note that I did not violate the terms of service (which is proven by the fact that my posts have not been removed), so I do not need any condescending advice on reading them, thank you.

Nowhere did I advocate fraud. The problem in this thread was that you and some others cried fraud where there was none. The larger problem (here and in other threads) is what I perceive as an aggressive, self-righteous way to respond to other members, and as far as the tone is concerned, it doesn't matter if what they are thinking of doing is legal or not. One can and should point out the illegality in a more courteous way. Often people simply don't know the laws yet, and are here to learn. They don't deserve to be bashed for that.

I did not mean you

Read my original post: I told the OP to be extremely cautious. Why? Because I would hate for his entire future to be fvcked over the legalese of the immigration process: that would be sad and it is avoidable. It was not bashing; though I admit: I do not cuddle people, it's not my style.

So you meant me? and yet philososykos and me had the same opinion; which is that people simply should not be treated so harshly, even if what they are proposing is fraud. Obviously, if they're here is because they are unsure about the procedures and regulations and want to avoid fraud. They are searching for anwers and other alternatives. If they really wanted to commit fraud, they would just simply do it and not bother to come to a forum to get hated on by people.

Edited August 6, 2009 by vip1

[meauxna 15]

I am however, not willing to tell someone "oh, sure it's fine come in and get married on a visa that is not supposed to be for that". Doing so is going against the Terms of Service.... which you might want to read one day

Coming into the US with a visa that has no stipulated marriage clause, with the intent to get married is not cool. quite simple. It is not a "faster"option, it is hoodwinking the US government.

Are you still maintaining that there is something wrong with getting an L visa *because* the applicant intends to marry a USC in the future? Because it sure looks like it.

There is nothing wrong with that plan. It is not fraud, not 'not cool', not hoodwinking the US gov't or anyone else.

Nice way to cast aspersions on this person too by suggesting that they are abetting lawbreakers? Even after the correction had been posted?

sheesh.

Read my original post: I told the OP to be extremely cautious. Why? Because I would hate for his entire future to be fvcked over the legalese of the immigration process: that would be sad and it is avoidable. It was not bashing; though I admit: I do not cuddle people, it's not my style.

You didn't say 'be extremely cautious', you declared that the person should be extremely worried because they had exposed their fraudulent intent to the world, God and the USCIS, and further declared that there are 3 choices, including another incorrect conclusion. And they you use Tavo's words to hitch hike from, even though Tavo's posts were completely incorrect.

It might be a comfort to know that L visas aren't DIY, so the prospect's company lawyers will be sure to vet the process for him.

and you should be worried... since you already posted on an internet public forum that such is your intention. Options:

1.- Apply for K-1 fiancee visa

2.- Fly there, marry and apply for CR-1 visa.

3.- Play Lone Ranger, move to the US, get married, and have to prove you were not trying to commit fraud.

Like Tavo said, your pick.

This is not a Lone Ranger situation, it's just one you don't know anything about, but won't say that you've not heard of it before. That's fine, you don't have to come out to everyone, but it's not so great when you stay on the high horse.

Now, as for being nice n' polite when people are knowingly asking for help with fraud... hmm, that's a different story and I'm not always so nice about it myself. These people aren't trying to commit fraud, they're trying not to. Too bad for them they asked for help in the wrong place.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

May I remind everyone that OT type of comments and discussion are not acceptable in the Upper Forums? The conversation since my warning has had nothing to do with the topic at hand and everything to do with discussing each other's behaviour and casting aspersions on each other. Either return to discussing the topic as posted by the OP or I will close this thread.

Edited August 6, 2009 by Kathryn41

[Matt & Bing 56]

L1 is a NON IMMIGRANT visa.

If as stated your intention is for the pair of you to marry and for him to then reside permanently in the USA with you, then you should go the K 1 route.

K-1 is technically a non-immigrant visa too.

[gmjdmj 2]

Mainer,

My fiance is in the UK as well and we have been apart since May and will continue to be apart until this process is over which will most definately be next year sometime. There is no quick way of doing anything when dealing with immigration in the United States. If you guys are already there, together and are planning to get married there, then why don't you just stay there? It is A LOT easier to get your visa extended and to stay in the UK. You could marry and be together and then apply to bring him over here with a K-3 visa. You could apply for that right after you are married and would not have to be apart for very long. I can tell you from experience because I live it everyday that being apart from the person you love for months on end...well it plan and simple sucks. I would not put my future with the love of my life on a company. With the economy the way it is now, I can't imagine them paying the insane amount of money that it would cost for them to get him to the US. They might...but there are no guarantees. You are not in as bad of a situation as a lot of people...atleast you guys are together. If it were me, I wouldn't wait until August of next year to marry if you are wanting to live with him in the US. I would get married in the next few months, apply for the K-3 and move on from there. The process for a k-3 is the same time frame as a k-1. Right now, the USCIS is working on applications that were filed on 12-30-08, so it is taking at the minimum 6 months to process them, if not longer. If you wait until next August to get married and then add 6 to 8 months to that...you are looking at a long time. At the end of the day, you guys want to be together and right now you are...so I would take my future in my own hands to insure that everything is done the right way and not put any of my future on the company that he works for or better yet, risk that the USCIS sees that you guys have intent of marrying as well and then you are left with a mass amount of attorney bills, possible deportation for him and issues that you will try to overcome for a lot longer than 8 months. Unfortunately, when 2 people are marrying from different countries and one happens to be from the US, you can't always plan everything the way that a normal couple would. I know that you want to be able to plan the perfect wedding, for him to be able to work right away and start your life together here in the US but the way immigration is set up, that can sometimes be impossible. I get asked all of the time "when is your wedding going to be? and I have to always respond with "I don't know". At this point, I don't care about the wedding date, I care about when I can finally be with the love of my life. There are options for you...I would be VERY careful with which one you choose because it is your future...

[Jennifer&Jake 0]

I am however, not willing to tell someone "oh, sure it's fine come in and get married on a visa that is not supposed to be for that". Doing so is going against the Terms of Service.... which you might want to read one day

Coming into the US with a visa that has no stipulated marriage clause, with the intent to get married is not cool. quite simple. It is not a "faster"option, it is hoodwinking the US government.

Are you still maintaining that there is something wrong with getting an L visa *because* the applicant intends to marry a USC in the future? Because it sure looks like it.

There is nothing wrong with that plan. It is not fraud, not 'not cool', not hoodwinking the US gov't or anyone else.

Nice way to cast aspersions on this person too by suggesting that they are abetting lawbreakers? Even after the correction had been posted?

sheesh.

Read my original post: I told the OP to be extremely cautious. Why? Because I would hate for his entire future to be fvcked over the legalese of the immigration process: that would be sad and it is avoidable. It was not bashing; though I admit: I do not cuddle people, it's not my style.

You didn't say 'be extremely cautious', you declared that the person should be extremely worried because they had exposed their fraudulent intent to the world, God and the USCIS, and further declared that there are 3 choices, including another incorrect conclusion. And they you use Tavo's words to hitch hike from, even though Tavo's posts were completely incorrect.

It might be a comfort to know that L visas aren't DIY, so the prospect's company lawyers will be sure to vet the process for him.

and you should be worried... since you already posted on an internet public forum that such is your intention. Options:

1.- Apply for K-1 fiancee visa

2.- Fly there, marry and apply for CR-1 visa.

3.- Play Lone Ranger, move to the US, get married, and have to prove you were not trying to commit fraud.

Like Tavo said, your pick.

This is not a Lone Ranger situation, it's just one you don't know anything about, but won't say that you've not heard of it before. That's fine, you don't have to come out to everyone, but it's not so great when you stay on the high horse.

Now, as for being nice n' polite when people are knowingly asking for help with fraud... hmm, that's a different story and I'm not always so nice about it myself. These people aren't trying to commit fraud, they're trying not to. Too bad for them they asked for help in the wrong place.

I second that.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

what part of this message posted by a moderator you didn't understand?

"May I remind everyone that OT type of comments and discussion are not acceptable in the Upper Forums? The conversation since my warning has had nothing to do with the topic at hand and everything to do with discussing each other's behaviour and casting aspersions on each other. Either return to discussing the topic as posted by the OP or I will close this thread. "

Edited August 6, 2009 by TävôLuDô

[NArocks 13]

Apparently no one is paying attention to the request from the MOD to keep this on topic?

The OP has what they need and that is that. Let the OP decide what it is they will choose to do in this situation.

[Jennifer&Jake 0]

Whatever you decide Mainer. I wish you luck.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Since my warning had no effect, this thread is now closed.