citizenship

wannabe_texan · August 7, 2009

NickD's posts are often more philosophical/reflective in nature and share some insights by comparing and contrasting different systems in the US, which many of us enjoy...

There's only one contact number for USCIS - it's on their website, 1-800-375-5283, to get by the automatic system you can select an option like Change your address, which will put you through to a person, and you can ask your question (may or may not get an answer that you like, since they tend to parrot scripts). But the guidelines/specifications are all laid out in the M-476 and you can look up the specific CFRs etc via Google to read the legal language that's the foundation for the eligibility/criteria for naturalization.

We've all been around the block to get this stage, and there's no substitute for doing the homework - we've all had to... good luck in your research and your N400 journey (F)

annelizabeth · August 7, 2009

You know you are in danger of being flamed!!!!

I did warn you!!! :devil:

The first response is nearly always to read the guides pinned at the top of the forum.

I think NickD must be mellowing with age (or reaching the end of the journey) :innocent:

nigel · August 12, 2009

Thanks Guys

I have read up on stuff and with adding up all my time spent in the usa in the last 3 yrs does seem to be over the 18mth mark as there has not been any breaks over the 6/12 mths outside the us...so it looks like i could be fine, but still im going to go to the local ucis office and speak with somebody before i file just to cover myself...

Anyway seen a link on the uscis site and you all proberly seen it but just in case ill send the link here for members who have'nt

Thanks members

Nigel

link below..watch video

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...0004718190aRCRD

-B&T- · August 12, 2009

by the time this n401 goes to the interveiw i would have clocked up a extra 3/5 mths, which should leave me in better shape...maybe

Note that you've got to meet the requirements on three separate days: On the day you file, on the day you are interviewed, and on the day you take the oath. If you miss the requirements on any one of these days, even if you only miss by one day, then you can't become a citizen and you have to wait until you meet the requirements and file again, paying a new fee.

So it's worth checking to make absolutely sure you meet the requirements before you file.

yep good call thank you...

I did read up on IF.. outside the us for more than 6mths rule while you have a P/R card and it states that, you must show prove that you and your spouse was living/working or fileing IRS tax returns or any other prove ....the bottom line is they want to know you was both togethere as a married couple during that 3yr period of your P/R

So being its touch and go at the moment for me, is there a customer service centre i could call and speak with a human? instead of a robott that they normally use...would you know of such a number i can call?

Thank you for your input

hi,

After you dialled the 1-800 # and got into their system, press 123 and it will put you thru a live person.Good luck.

nigel · August 12, 2009

by the time this n401 goes to the interveiw i would have clocked up a extra 3/5 mths, which should leave me in better shape...maybe

Note that you've got to meet the requirements on three separate days: On the day you file, on the day you are interviewed, and on the day you take the oath. If you miss the requirements on any one of these days, even if you only miss by one day, then you can't become a citizen and you have to wait until you meet the requirements and file again, paying a new fee.

So it's worth checking to make absolutely sure you meet the requirements before you file.

yep good call thank you...

I did read up on IF.. outside the us for more than 6mths rule while you have a P/R card and it states that, you must show prove that you and your spouse was living/working or fileing IRS tax returns or any other prove ....the bottom line is they want to know you was both togethere as a married couple during that 3yr period of your P/R

So being its touch and go at the moment for me, is there a customer service centre i could call and speak with a human? instead of a robott that they normally use...would you know of such a number i can call?

Thank you for your input

hi,

After you dialled the 1-800 # and got into their system, press 123 and it will put you thru a live person.Good luck.

Thank you, ive booked up a infopass appointment for this friday so i can speak to a officer face to face at my local office.

Thank you anyway.

NickD · August 12, 2009

You know you are in danger of being flamed!!!!

I did warn you!!!

The first response is nearly always to read the guides pinned at the top of the forum.

I think NickD must be mellowing with age (or reaching the end of the journey)

Mellow is hardly the word of choice when dealing with a Gestapo agency like the USCIS, you are guilty of fraud before you even walk in. And for the most part, dealing with very incompetent people that think they are gods. Nigel should know this with his time line. Very typical of our legal system to run over the people unless you have means to level the playing field. One method is to hire a very large law firm, they respond quite differently to competent people that know the law better than they do. And do not tend to give you the runaround. Another is to have as a friend a senator or congressman, that is preferably on the committee that regulates the agency in question. But the bottom line is, you have to know the law yourself by reading and studying all the material provided by the USCIS and complying fully with all the regulations and requirements. Even going beyond the requirements.

An easy way out would be to hire a very competent attorney, will lead you by the hand, as my attorney told me, if the USCIS made it simple, he wouldn't have a job. Just hope that Nigel receives the correct information with his infopass, but suspect he will be told to read the book. Can only wonder how many employees of the USCIS read the book.

AusCal · August 12, 2009

Thank you, ive booked up a infopass appointment for this friday so i can speak to a officer face to face at my local office.
Thank you anyway.

The "physical presence rule is "set in stone" , you must meet the number of days or your will be denied. There is no grey area on that one. So, stop being lazy, look at your dates, and work this out exactly.

Re "continous presence" - provided your trips are under 6 months, and not "back to back" you should be fine. If they are between 6-12 months, it is up to you to prove to the IO (to their satisfaction)that maintained residency in the US for that time.

Good luck with your infopass appointment - though, personally I doubt they are going to be able to give you any more info than you could gain from thoroughly reading the website.

nigel · August 13, 2009

Thank you, ive booked up a infopass appointment for this friday so i can speak to a officer face to face at my local office.
Thank you anyway.

The "physical presence rule is "set in stone" , you must meet the number of days or your will be denied. There is no grey area on that one. So, stop being lazy, look at your dates, and work this out exactly.

Re "continous presence" - provided your trips are under 6 months, and not "back to back" you should be fine. If they are between 6-12 months, it is up to you to prove to the IO (to their satisfaction)that maintained residency in the US for that time.

Good luck with your infopass appointment - though, personally I doubt they are going to be able to give you any more info than you could gain from thoroughly reading the website.

Hmmmmm smart #### here huh?

First let me say ive been around a little more than a tommoto season on the immigration matters, as one member kindly pointed out,

Oh yep ya smart #### reply ,(don't be so lazy) you know what i cant really blame you as back many moons ago i would and have said the same sort of B./S comments like yaself, as to members asking the same B/S Qs, yep i am and was being a bit of a lazy #### i know.....But saying all that ive ask yep a Question proberly been ask a billion times before but i thought it was worth a stab, if only just to get a ball park answer to my Question, i so in your eyes can not ask....but on the other side of the coin, you and me can ask a question when we was wet behind the ears...

So please don't tell me to that its all there in stone with the us goverment cas have a guess what....hello, goverment can right in blood and pass whatever and still move the goal post whenever they feel fit to do so....so please dont be so silly to think that there is no grey area in this immigration business cas if it was in stone like you state then there would be no neeed for such a forum/s on the net..

Please with respect don't try to insult me by your comments i forgot more than you proberly know about this immigration and us goverment.

with respect...

nigel · August 13, 2009

Sorry guys i wanted to finish off this but it could not edit so here is the full post.

Hmmmmm smart #### here huh?

First let me say ive been around a little more than a tommoto season on the immigration matters, as one member kindly pointed out,

Oh yep ya smart #### reply ,(don't be so lazy) you know what? i cant really blame you as back many moons ago i would and have made the same sort of B./S comments like yaself, as to members asking the same B/S Qs,.

yep i am and was being a bit of a lazy #### i know.....But saying all that ive ask yep a Question proberly been ask a billion times before but i thought it was worth a stab, if only just to get a ball park answer to my Question, i so in your eyes can not ask....but on the other side of the coin, you and me can ask a question when we was wet behind the ears...

So please don't tell me to that its all there in stone with the us goverment cas have a guess what....hello, goverment can right in blood and pass whatever and still move the goal post whenever they feel fit to do so....so please dont be so silly to think that there is no grey area in this immigration business cas if it was in stone like you state then there would be no neeed for such a forum/s on the net..

Please with respect don't try to insult me by your comments i forgot more than you proberly know about this immigration and us goverment.

I stoped making B/S answers to other members after one time a member said to me ...is this a Forum where we all give out and share infomation and help each other out the best way we can?

You Know what Mr Mouth....yep im talking to you smart ####, you know what that when i stood back and thought, you know what, he has a point! then i grew up....

..dont treat people the way you would not be treated...

Do you get my point now? please don't get me started in the dept of politics and goverment ..ive been there and got the shirt to prove it.....

THERE IS ALWAYS A GREY AREA IN ANY GOVERMENTS....

THATS WHY THERE IS FORUMS LIKE THIS...

DO YOU GET ME NOW...?

with respect...

Captain Oates · August 21, 2009

Sorry guys i wanted to finish off this but it could not edit so here is the full post.
Hmmmmm smart #### here huh?

First let me say ive been around a little more than a tommoto season on the immigration matters, as one member kindly pointed out,

Oh yep ya smart #### reply ,(don't be so lazy) you know what? i cant really blame you as back many moons ago i would and have made the same sort of B./S comments like yaself, as to members asking the same B/S Qs,.

yep i am and was being a bit of a lazy #### i know.....But saying all that ive ask yep a Question proberly been ask a billion times before but i thought it was worth a stab, if only just to get a ball park answer to my Question, i so in your eyes can not ask....but on the other side of the coin, you and me can ask a question when we was wet behind the ears...

So please don't tell me to that its all there in stone with the us goverment cas have a guess what....hello, goverment can right in blood and pass whatever and still move the goal post whenever they feel fit to do so....so please dont be so silly to think that there is no grey area in this immigration business cas if it was in stone like you state then there would be no neeed for such a forum/s on the net..

Please with respect don't try to insult me by your comments i forgot more than you proberly know about this immigration and us goverment.

I stoped making B/S answers to other members after one time a member said to me ...is this a Forum where we all give out and share infomation and help each other out the best way we can?

You Know what Mr Mouth....yep im talking to you smart ####, you know what that when i stood back and thought, you know what, he has a point! then i grew up....

..dont treat people the way you would not be treated...

Do you get my point now? please don't get me started in the dept of politics and goverment ..ive been there and got the shirt to prove it.....

THERE IS ALWAYS A GREY AREA IN ANY GOVERMENTS....

THATS WHY THERE IS FORUMS LIKE THIS...

DO YOU GET ME NOW...?

with respect...

You sound like my son - he is 40 and comes the helpless stuff too

Then when you try and help him he gets all bolshy and says he knows it all

I can be prickly as anyone on here but I am always very grateful when I get good advice and that's what you have been given by very helpful members

I think NickD puts a lot of thought and research into his replies and it's you that doesn't have the wit to understand his great answers

You sound belligerent and self admitted lazy - and I don't believe you have the respect that you write about

You don't respect the process or the government or anyone who is trying to help you - you sound like my son when he calls me at 3am with his brains full of cocaine

Do the work that people have shown you and don't expect to get your nose wiped for you at every stage

With all due respect

Edited August 21, 2009 by saywhat

nigel · August 21, 2009

Sorry guys i wanted to finish off this but it could not edit so here is the full post.
Hmmmmm smart #### here huh?

First let me say ive been around a little more than a tommoto season on the immigration matters, as one member kindly pointed out,

Oh yep ya smart #### reply ,(don't be so lazy) you know what? i cant really blame you as back many moons ago i would and have made the same sort of B./S comments like yaself, as to members asking the same B/S Qs,.

yep i am and was being a bit of a lazy #### i know.....But saying all that ive ask yep a Question proberly been ask a billion times before but i thought it was worth a stab, if only just to get a ball park answer to my Question, i so in your eyes can not ask....but on the other side of the coin, you and me can ask a question when we was wet behind the ears...

So please don't tell me to that its all there in stone with the us goverment cas have a guess what....hello, goverment can right in blood and pass whatever and still move the goal post whenever they feel fit to do so....so please dont be so silly to think that there is no grey area in this immigration business cas if it was in stone like you state then there would be no neeed for such a forum/s on the net..

Please with respect don't try to insult me by your comments i forgot more than you proberly know about this immigration and us goverment.

I stoped making B/S answers to other members after one time a member said to me ...is this a Forum where we all give out and share infomation and help each other out the best way we can?

You Know what Mr Mouth....yep im talking to you smart ####, you know what that when i stood back and thought, you know what, he has a point! then i grew up....

..dont treat people the way you would not be treated...

Do you get my point now? please don't get me started in the dept of politics and goverment ..ive been there and got the shirt to prove it.....

THERE IS ALWAYS A GREY AREA IN ANY GOVERMENTS....

THATS WHY THERE IS FORUMS LIKE THIS...

DO YOU GET ME NOW...?

with respect...

You sound like my son - he is 40 and comes the helpless stuff too

Then when you try and help him he gets all bolshy and says he knows it all

I can be prickly as anyone on here but I am always very grateful when I get good advice and that's what you have been given by very helpful members

I think NickD puts a lot of thought and research into his replies and it's you that doesn't have the wit to understand his great answers

You sound belligerent and self admitted lazy - and I don't believe you have the respect that you write about

You don't respect the process or the government or anyone who is trying to help you - you sound like my son when he calls me at 3am with his brains full of cocaine

Do the work that people have shown you and don't expect to get your nose wiped for you at every stage

With all due respect