Reform? Why do we need health-care reform? Everything is just fine the way it is.

[rebeccajo 14]

Shiftless lazy welfare liberals.

It would be more fun to sleep in each day and have a medical card, now that you mention it.

[mendeleev 68]

There does seem to be a lot of opposition around here to health care reform. Its gotten me thinking.

Maybe there is something fundamental here in the USA that means we cannot run a cost-effective, healthcare system that delivers a high level of care to people in this country. Maybe it really is better that we pay twice as much of national income and get one of the worst (probably the worst) result of any developed, western democracy. Maybe, if we were to adopt something like the French, German, Australian, Japanese, or Canadian system of healthcare, our society would crash down around us. Maybe we just don't have the resilience, initiative, persistence, or creativity of people in those nations.

Maybe it is better for us to keep the terrible deal we have now.

But ... I don't think so.

Twice? You have a link to that "fact?"

Those other systems? Can you detail them for us, each of them. Are you a world health care analyst? I mean, the only way I'd know anything about ALL of those systems would be if it were my job. Do you know as much about the banking systems in each country? Why not? I mean, if you know the health care systems so well, why not the banking, or transportation or education. Maybe you are a world health care analyst. I doubt people who work in the US health system know the systems of the French, German, Australian, Japanese and Canadian so I wonder why/how you know so much.

How much of GDP does each of these countries spend on health care? Do they have a separate system for the elderly?

"According to the WHO, the United States spends 16.5% of its GDP on health care, or about $6,100 per person. This compares to an average of 8.6% in European countries."

Source

I'll try to dig back into WHO literature itself and see what I can find for you.

2*8.6 = 17.2 which is pretty close to 16.5.

[rebeccajo 14]

Healthcare system is fine in US.

People under socialized health care just die in the waiting room...

Then why aren't life expectancies in Canada lower than those in the US?

Because our military is keeping their borders safe!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Shiftless lazy welfare liberals.

It would be more fun to sleep in each day and have a medical card, now that you mention it.

So a government-plan would turn its beneficiaries into the very shiftless liberals conservatives fear they already are?

[rebeccajo 14]

Shiftless lazy welfare liberals.

It would be more fun to sleep in each day and have a medical card, now that you mention it.

So a government-plan would turn its beneficiaries into the very shiftless liberals conservatives fear they already are?

If it comes with food stamps and a rent credit - yeah they're right.

[SuperDuper! 230]

Healthcare system is fine in US.

People under socialized health care just die in the waiting room...

Then why aren't life expectancies in Canada lower than those in the US?

Only Michael Moore knows, and he ain't tellin'

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Then why aren't life expectancies in Canada lower than those in the US?

Only Michael Moore knows, and he ain't tellin'

You should make this your profile picture:

Edited August 3, 2009 by w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r

[Tahoma 2,292]

There does seem to be a lot of opposition around here to health care reform. Its gotten me thinking.

Maybe there is something fundamental here in the USA that means we cannot run a cost-effective, healthcare system that delivers a high level of care to people in this country. Maybe it really is better that we pay twice as much of national income and get one of the worst (probably the worst) result of any developed, western democracy. Maybe, if we were to adopt something like the French, German, Australian, Japanese, or Canadian system of healthcare, our society would crash down around us. Maybe we just don't have the resilience, initiative, persistence, or creativity of people in those nations.

Maybe it is better for us to keep the terrible deal we have now.

But ... I don't think so.

Twice? You have a link to that "fact?"

Those other systems? Can you detail them for us, each of them. Are you a world health care analyst? I mean, the only way I'd know anything about ALL of those systems would be if it were my job. Do you know as much about the banking systems in each country? Why not? I mean, if you know the health care systems so well, why not the banking, or transportation or education. Maybe you are a world health care analyst. I doubt people who work in the US health system know the systems of the French, German, Australian, Japanese and Canadian so I wonder why/how you know so much.

How much of GDP does each of these countries spend on health care? Do they have a separate system for the elderly?

One place where the secrets about health care in other countries is cleverly hidden is in a thing called a book.

[SuperDuper! 230]

Then why aren't life expectancies in Canada lower than those in the US?

Only Michael Moore knows, and he ain't tellin'

You should make this your profile picture:

Nope, Homer Simpson looks so much more handsome in his underpants with your name.

THis will be my new siggy:

[Tahoma 2,292]

Healthcare system is fine in US.

People under socialized health care just die in the waiting room...

Then why aren't life expectancies in Canada lower than those in the US?

Only Michael Moore knows, and he ain't tellin'

Correction: Michael Moore knows, he's told, and he knows that the health insurance corporations know too.

[SpiritAlight 1]

So much aggression here.

Hmmmm....people must have touched some nerves in others.

I wonder why those of you who want to stay with the status quo...why you are so frightened of something new....new to you (the U.S.) only.

It's not new.

Why do you want to have to be pre-approved to get treatment?

Why do you want to pay tens of thousands to have a baby?

Why and why and why?

So many questions, so little time...and energy for this drivel.

(I obviously meant buy and not bye in my earlier post.

It's okay, it was ignored anyways.)

[luckytxn 2,264]

The Socialists are wetting themselves that they have fooled so many. They are loving the control they will have now over every citizen in this country.

[DEDixon 39]

Healthcare system is fine in US.

People under socialized health care just die in the waiting room...

Then why aren't life expectancies in Canada lower than those in the US?

Canada has gun control?

[SpiritAlight 1]

The Socialists are wetting themselves that they have fooled so many. They are loving the control they will have now over every citizen in this country.

Is this supposed to be amusing?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

They are loving the control they will have now over every citizen in this country.

all your monies are belong to us