Hate crime or not?

[HAL 9000 96]

There are some rather unpleasant implications in these threads - almost as if by proving so-called "reverse racism" that prejudice in general can somehow be justified.

I disagree, thats your take on it and your entitled to it but my take on it is that often "reverse racism" isnt taken as seriously as other racism and people want to draw attention to that so that maybe things will change.

I'd agree if it was statistically relevant that somehow 'reverse racism' put the reversed target population at some kind of social disadvantage as a whole. Something quite inaccurate. This is the extremes, at times racist themselves, making characterizations to the norm which are false.

Racism on all accounts is stupid, yes. And that should be the end of it. Trying to rub things in by some of these folks does show intent to play the race game to false standards which are denied in light of seeking a social equality which does not yet exist.

Right these extremes exist on both sides rather it be black, white or whatever color,the frustrating part is how it is treated when its towards white. I dont think on a whole that any part of our society is at a social disadvantage because of racism.

It really doesnt have to be that difficult. There has been plenty of times where racism towards whites has been shaken off and people are frustrated. I dont blame them.

This is an issue best addressed by African Americans then. How arrogant of those of us whom are not, thinking we can characterize what the majority of one particular ethnicity feels about a topic and how it behaves towards the population as a whole when it comes to very FEW cases of reverse racism. In my experience, living in a majority African American neighborhood has taught me that the cases of 'black on everything else racism' are extremely insignificant compared to the cases of 'white on everything else racism' that I have seen first hand after living in white neighborhoods.

Disadvantages exists that are the result of the historical realities. Sure, attitudes control how people seek to do things with their lives, but that can only go so far in a society still undergoing withdrawal symptoms from the racial era.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I would be very interested in addressing the things you mentioned but as far as pointing out the obvious like double standards with out going into a long disscusion about causative factors of racism seems reasonable to me, because regardless to the reasons its still unacceptable and I think that alot of these arguments go back and forth on the basis of does double standards exist.

They do exist... as much as the triple standards that are often used to justify the single standard of prejudicial treatment based on race. And its all really fvcking stupid.

Ok I agree to a degree. Maybe some have but I think 9 out of 10 times a person is only venting and pointing out the double standard that does exist. I dont ever recall anyone saying its ok for the white man to do it because the black man gets away with it all the time.

[HAL 9000 96]

I would be very interested in addressing the things you mentioned but as far as pointing out the obvious like double standards with out going into a long disscusion about causative factors of racism seems reasonable to me, because regardless to the reasons its still unacceptable and I think that alot of these arguments go back and forth on the basis of does double standards exist.

They do exist... as much as the triple standards that are often used to justify the single standard of prejudicial treatment based on race. And its all really fvcking stupid.

Ok I agree to a degree. Maybe some have but I think 9 out of 10 times a person is only venting and pointing out the double standard that does exist. I dont ever recall anyone saying its ok for the white man to do it because the black man gets away with it all the time.

I think that particular comes about every time we see (here particularly) thread after thread like this one by a very concentrated number of people that have, time after time displayed very odd racial 'suggestive' that would lead any logical reader to conclude they were indeed prejudicial in persona.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Oh ok I get your point. I will start paying closer attention to these sort of threads and try to get a better feel for whats going on.

[justashooter 430]

In my experience, living in a majority African American neighborhood has taught me that the cases of 'black on everything else racism' are extremely insignificant compared to the cases of 'white on everything else racism' that I have seen first hand after living in white neighborhoods.

then why is it that the FBI UCS says that a white man is 17 times as likely to be victimized by a black as he is to victimize one?

[HAL 9000 96]

In my experience, living in a majority African American neighborhood has taught me that the cases of 'black on everything else racism' are extremely insignificant compared to the cases of 'white on everything else racism' that I have seen first hand after living in white neighborhoods.

then why is it that the FBI UCS says that a white man is 17 times as likely to be victimized by a black as he is to victimize one?

I normally don't waste my time with you, but please show me the exact table that tabulates this false statistic that has nothing of relevance to hate crimes.

Of course, if you'd like to quote the FBI's UCR, for hate crimes, the last report year available online is 2006, and for victims, just to correct your lunatic interpretation of statistics:

22.1% are white victims whereas white offenders comprise 58.6% of the total offender pool for 2006. 66.4% are black victims whereas black offenders comprise 20.6% of the total offender pool for 2006.

Clearly... continue interpretative stats from Uranus.

Edited July 28, 2009 by HAL 9000

[HAL 9000 96]

2007 data is also available, I was in error:

For black hate crime victims:

69.3%

For white victims:

18.4%

This is an example of justastatisticalweirdo extrapolating population-wide data to suit his odd and smelly agenda. Nothing more.

[mawilson 2,133]

Of course, if you'd like to quote the FBI's UCR, for hate crimes, the last report year available online is 2006, and for victims, just to correct your lunatic interpretation of statistics:

No, it's not the FBI's UCR. It's "FBI UCS" which he keeps referring to and which, of course - surprise, surprise - doesn't exist.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Can't be a hate crime if she is white. Minorities get a pass as usual.

Stupid libtards.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Stupid one-liner.

[HAL 9000 96]

Of course, if you'd like to quote the FBI's UCR, for hate crimes, the last report year available online is 2006, and for victims, just to correct your lunatic interpretation of statistics:

No, it's not the FBI's UCR. It's "FBI UCS" which he keeps referring to and which, of course - surprise, surprise - doesn't exist.

Of course! I thought I'd say something to the tune of that as well but I thought I'd let relevance and the actual statistics speak for themselves.

I assume he'll be along next to 'declare victory.'

[mawilson 2,133]

Of course, if you'd like to quote the FBI's UCR, for hate crimes, the last report year available online is 2006, and for victims, just to correct your lunatic interpretation of statistics:

No, it's not the FBI's UCR. It's "FBI UCS" which he keeps referring to and which, of course - surprise, surprise - doesn't exist.

Of course! I thought I'd say something to the tune of that as well but I thought I'd let relevance and the actual statistics speak for themselves.

I assume he'll be along next to 'declare victory.'

I'm serious. I can find a post where he referred to "FBI UCS statistics", only to be proven wrong

by someone posting actual UCR stats; his response was "it's the wrong page - I told you where to

look, I'm not going to do your homework for you" or something along those lines.

[HAL 9000 96]

That Google search really blowed up in his face sumtimes ey.

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

pwned

[nowhereman 1]

The point I tried to make, Hal tried to make & Pike tried to make (sorry if I missed anyone) is that racism goes both ways... if you laugh at the idea that blacks are still victims of racism & yet you cry bloody murder about reverse racism you are every bit as hypocritical as individuals who don't take reverse discrimination seriously. If racism goes both ways then prejudice goes both ways... I'd rather see more balanced topics (both on VJ & in the media) than people on both sides pushing their own agenda & ignoring the other side of the story.