Obama moves to grant political asylum to women who suffer domestic abuse

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who is the "we"?

Danno and his legion of forum fans, no doubt.

[HAL 9000 96]

I have read reports citing up to a third of domestic violence incidents has the woman as the initial aggressor.

How knows what the real numbers are as most cases.. especially where them man was his are reported.

It seems as if "women" are being singled out for asylum to the USA.

Are there other areas of asylum which discriminate based on gender?

Women are a special case IMO. With all the stories of women that are victims of rape and then punished for it I would tend to agree with this new policy. With other countries treating women as possessions I wouldn't have a problem with letting them get away from the abuse.

With that logic we will be importing a lot of women... and kids and disabled people.

Wonder how easy it would be to scam the system on this one?

Better them than classy weirdos like... you guessed it... you.

Exactly what is a "classy weirdo"

Now we do know what an Asss-bag is in fact we see it every time you post.

Another one for Danno's greatest hits.

And yes... who are these plural observers? Perhaps you and your not so multiple personalities?

[Danno 1,228]

Asylum isn't designed to right any wrong in another country, it is to give people that have no other way out a chance to get away from abuse or repression. I for one have no problem granting asylum to people that are truly being oppressed or abused. On the other hand I have no use for those that seek to scam the system or to bypass it all together. Do it legally and within the rules? Welcome friend! Do it outside the law? GTFO!

WORD

As for "we will be importing a lot of women".... look around. Half the people in this site have done exactly that.

Agreed, many if not most people here have imported a wife or Husband.

But I doubt many if any one would object to importing some unfortunate abused women, the question I have... and it's only a question is about the rules and guidelines on this type of asylum.

It would seem very hard to determine a legit claim but thats just my first impression.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You could correct your first impression, by reading up on how the immigration system deals with current asylum claims.

They don't automatically admit people without any scrutiny whatsoever... and there's nothing about this domestic abuse stuff that radically diverges from that.

Edited July 27, 2009 by Private Pike

[justashooter 430]

You could correct your first impression, by reading up on how the immigration system deals with current asylum claims.

They don't automatically admit people with any scrutiny whatsoever... and there's nothing about this domestic abuse stuff that radically diverges from that.

nah, they don't scrutinise the refugees as hard as you scrutinise yourself:

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Relevance is lacking in that post, Mr Shooter.

I took the liberty of reporting it.

[justashooter 430]

Relevance is lacking in that post, Mr Shooter.

I took the liberty of reporting it.

wah wah wah...

[Peikko 1,575]

Everyone seeking asylum to the US has to go through due process. Let it be noted that asylum seekers are not residing in their home countries waiting for the US to grant them asylum , they actually have to have reached the US first. Bearing that in mind, the numbers are never going to be that high. Asylum is not the same as refugee.

[Peikko 1,575]

I am curious though, are those who object simply objecting somehow to the notion that women can be left in incredibly insidious positions because of cultural inequalities? Or are the objectors against the notion of asylum period? If so, what did they think of all the political asylum seekers from say, Russia?

[nowhereman 1]

I am curious though, are those who object simply objecting somehow to the notion that women can be left in incredibly insidious positions because of cultural inequalities? Or are the objectors against the notion of asylum period? If so, what did they think of all the political asylum seekers from say, Russia?

I attribute more to ignorance of the facts and/or xenophobic tendencies.

[Danno 1,228]

I am curious though, are those who object simply objecting somehow to the notion that women can be left in incredibly insidious positions because of cultural inequalities? Or are the objectors against the notion of asylum period? If so, what did they think of all the political asylum seekers from say, Russia?

I attribute more to ignorance of the facts and/or xenophobic tendencies.

I have not seen one post which could bring you to such an opinion, please highlight it.

[Danno 1,228]

I am curious though, are those who object simply objecting somehow to the notion that women can be left in incredibly insidious positions because of cultural inequalities? Or are the objectors against the notion of asylum period? If so, what did they think of all the political asylum seekers from say, Russia?

Good point.

Political oppression is much easier to document as the oppression is documented in Arrest records and Prison terms. If a country dismisses a charge of rape, it make it even harder for these victims to prove their case.

BAck to Russia, I think most of these claims were bogus unless they had documentation of such.

I know of a few Russians I think came here under Religious grounds, I suspect they were unnecessary as well.

There is very little way to document these cases and fraud must be rampant.

[Peikko 1,575]

Rampant fraud when only 29,000 annually are approved (That's 29,000 altogether, including all persuasions of asylum seekers)? That's a tiny number of successful visas to be calling 'rampant' fraud and that's even supposing there is a significant minority that are fraudulent, which case you have neither presented nor proved.

Edited July 27, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[nowhereman 1]

I am curious though, are those who object simply objecting somehow to the notion that women can be left in incredibly insidious positions because of cultural inequalities? Or are the objectors against the notion of asylum period? If so, what did they think of all the political asylum seekers from say, Russia?

I attribute more to ignorance of the facts and/or xenophobic tendencies.

I have not seen one post which could bring you to such an opinion, please highlight it.

It's an overall attitude... thinking that granting asylum to abused women will cause a flood of cases, many of which are fradulent (when in fact there were 29,000 cases last year & there is a vetting process to weed out the vast majority of fraudulent claims). It's the same phenomenon that you see in practically every thread in the OT forum... misinformation & exaggeration substituted for fact. The xenophobic remark speaks to the notion that we should keep everyone out (even deserving abused women seeking asylum). Like I said our country was built on the backs of immigrants... we shouldn't forget that.

[justashooter 430]

Everyone seeking asylum to the US has to go through due process. Let it be noted that asylum seekers are not residing in their home countries waiting for the US to grant them asylum , they actually have to have reached the US first. Bearing that in mind, the numbers are never going to be that high. Asylum is not the same as refugee.

russian christians and chinese people who want to have more than one child had to pay large sums of money to get smuggled into the US before they could claim asylum. mexican women can walk in a lot cheaper. your comment is therefore invalid.