Canadians on US Health Care reform

[Sprailenes 47]

One quick question: when some of you say that health care shouldn't be out profit, do you mean the system (such as insurance) or doctors, nurses and technicians? If it's the former, then I can see what you're saying, but if it's the latter, that doesn't really make sense.

Of course doctors, nurses and technicians are looking for a profit. Anyone who says they should "treat patients simply for the love of helping others" without worrying about income is naive at best. I'm not suggesting anyone here has necessarily said that. But I've know quite a few people to say that and go so far as to expect medical professionals to work for free.

I don't think anyone should work for free. That's far from my point.

I do believe that everyone should have access to the same type of health care and that one shouldn't get the run around because they don't have enough money. When you're giving a better system to the people who can afford it and a lesser system to the people who can't, I think that's pretty disgusting.

Edited July 26, 2009 by Sprailenes

[DeadPoolX 9]

One quick question: when some of you say that health care shouldn't be out profit, do you mean the system (such as insurance) or doctors, nurses and technicians? If it's the former, then I can see what you're saying, but if it's the latter, that doesn't really make sense.

Of course doctors, nurses and technicians are looking for a profit. Anyone who says they should "treat patients simply for the love of helping others" without worrying about income is naive at best. I'm not suggesting anyone here has necessarily said that. But I've know quite a few people to say that and go so far as to expect medical professionals to work for free.

I don't think anyone should work for free. That's far from my point.

I do believe that everyone should have access to the same type of health care and that one shouldn't get the run around because they don't have enough money. When you're giving a better system to the people who can afford it and a lesser system to the people who can't, I think that's pretty disgusting.

Overall, I agree. However, I'd like to see both government-run and private health care options available. If someone does have the money and wishes to go the private route, I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to take advantage of it.

[Sprailenes 47]

DPX... I think hell has frozen over... I completely agree with you!

Edited July 26, 2009 by Sprailenes

[Marilyn. 340]

I don't think they are planning on getting rid of private health insurance...

[endoftheroad 1]

How can it be propaganda when I personally know people who've said that to me?

You are kidding right? People spread and parrot propaganda every day.

Besides... SICKO is propaganda itself.

Really, for who? What part and have you actually seen/researched it?

Edited July 26, 2009 by usagroom

[Sprailenes 47]

I don't think so either. So many jobs would be lost too, I think it would be devastating to many people if they just switched it.

[endoftheroad 1]

I don't think they are planning on getting rid of private health insurance...

Of course they're not. That's just right-wing hooey to scare people.

[DeadPoolX 9]

How can it be propaganda when I personally know people who've said that to me?

You are kidding right? People spread and parrot propaganda every day.

Besides... SICKO is propaganda itself.

Really, for who? What part and have you actually seen/researched it?

Interesting. So... if people spread and parrot propaganda every day, wouldn't it stand to reason that Michael Moore's SICKO simply serves to further spread and enforce such propaganda?

Honestly, if you believe everything Moore has said in SICKO, you've simply accepted propaganda as fact. That's no better than anyone else believing any other bit of information. After all, people have to parrot something, don't they?

Edited July 26, 2009 by DeadPoolX

[JillA 2]

I haven't seen Sicko yet, but I want to. I heard it's interesting

[jennleah72 0]

I think it's scary for the millions of Americans without insurance. For example, I just got a bill in the mail yesterday for some blood work I had done a few weeks ago. The total before insurance was $701.57 for routine blood work!! After insurance I owe $18.01. Can you imagine someone without insurance needing blood tests and having to pay over $700?! That's insane. It's really scary to think if you have a heart attack and need an emergency bypass, how many years you'll be paying off the debt without insurance.

A few months ago, when my husband was in fear of being laid off, we were both most worried about having no insurance. I think Americans have a fear of the unknown, and since they don't know or understand what Obama is trying to implement, they are automatically against it.

Are you kidding me Jill? I work in Med Lab, and we have a charging system for out of country, quebec residents, etc, and annual routine blood work generally wouldnt run anymore than 200 dollars CANADIAN...thats ridiculous. Unless you were getting a few cancer marker tests done or something, but 700 dollars?! That seems insane to me.

[JillA 2]

I think it's scary for the millions of Americans without insurance. For example, I just got a bill in the mail yesterday for some blood work I had done a few weeks ago. The total before insurance was $701.57 for routine blood work!! After insurance I owe $18.01. Can you imagine someone without insurance needing blood tests and having to pay over $700?! That's insane. It's really scary to think if you have a heart attack and need an emergency bypass, how many years you'll be paying off the debt without insurance.

A few months ago, when my husband was in fear of being laid off, we were both most worried about having no insurance. I think Americans have a fear of the unknown, and since they don't know or understand what Obama is trying to implement, they are automatically against it.

Are you kidding me Jill? I work in Med Lab, and we have a charging system for out of country, quebec residents, etc, and annual routine blood work generally wouldnt run anymore than 200 dollars CANADIAN...thats ridiculous. Unless you were getting a few cancer marker tests done or something, but 700 dollars?! That seems insane to me.

I kid you not; and it is insane! It even breaks it down, for example T-3 (thyroid) cost $215.00, Cholesterol was $28.90, Vitamin D-3 cost $175.00, etc it goes down the list and the total is $701.57

[jennleah72 0]

I think it's scary for the millions of Americans without insurance. For example, I just got a bill in the mail yesterday for some blood work I had done a few weeks ago. The total before insurance was $701.57 for routine blood work!! After insurance I owe $18.01. Can you imagine someone without insurance needing blood tests and having to pay over $700?! That's insane. It's really scary to think if you have a heart attack and need an emergency bypass, how many years you'll be paying off the debt without insurance.

A few months ago, when my husband was in fear of being laid off, we were both most worried about having no insurance. I think Americans have a fear of the unknown, and since they don't know or understand what Obama is trying to implement, they are automatically against it.

Are you kidding me Jill? I work in Med Lab, and we have a charging system for out of country, quebec residents, etc, and annual routine blood work generally wouldnt run anymore than 200 dollars CANADIAN...thats ridiculous. Unless you were getting a few cancer marker tests done or something, but 700 dollars?! That seems insane to me.

I kid you not; and it is insane! It even breaks it down, for example T-3 (thyroid) cost $215.00, Cholesterol was $28.90, Vitamin D-3 cost $175.00, etc it goes down the list and the total is $701.57

some foul words just came out of my mouth

thats ridiculous.

[DeadPoolX 9]

I think it's scary for the millions of Americans without insurance. For example, I just got a bill in the mail yesterday for some blood work I had done a few weeks ago. The total before insurance was $701.57 for routine blood work!! After insurance I owe $18.01. Can you imagine someone without insurance needing blood tests and having to pay over $700?! That's insane. It's really scary to think if you have a heart attack and need an emergency bypass, how many years you'll be paying off the debt without insurance.

A few months ago, when my husband was in fear of being laid off, we were both most worried about having no insurance. I think Americans have a fear of the unknown, and since they don't know or understand what Obama is trying to implement, they are automatically against it.

Are you kidding me Jill? I work in Med Lab, and we have a charging system for out of country, quebec residents, etc, and annual routine blood work generally wouldnt run anymore than 200 dollars CANADIAN...thats ridiculous. Unless you were getting a few cancer marker tests done or something, but 700 dollars?! That seems insane to me.

I kid you not; and it is insane! It even breaks it down, for example T-3 (thyroid) cost $215.00, Cholesterol was $28.90, Vitamin D-3 cost $175.00, etc it goes down the list and the total is $701.57

some foul words just came out of my mouth

thats ridiculous.

I agree, that is ridiculous. At least you have insurance, so the overall cost was under $20.

I really think there needs to be some sort of "middle ground" for the U.S. when it comes to health care. Right now it's way too capitalist, but some people want to flip that entirely and make it far too socialist. Instead of moving toward an extreme, why not something that takes some of each and meets halfway?

Edited July 27, 2009 by DeadPoolX

[JillA 2]

I am glad I have insurance too, but what if I didn't? What if the blood tests were necessary to my health and well-being and I couldn't afford them? Those are the people I think about and worry about.

[thetreble 19]

Deadpool, I agree with everything you are saying here. It needs an overhaul but I think if we can have a dual based system of government run and private, that would be great.

Also, while I appreciate Michael Moore and agree with some things he says, his films are pushing HIS agenda. It's just as much propaganda as an Uncle Sam poster.