HCMC Timeline Resource

[Doug and Jessie 0]

Great idea!!!!! I Vote Yes!

[Anh map 2,098]

I am bumping this topic because no one has volunteered to pass along their timeline.

Brother John, if the CO said your timeline was the best, why not share it with others?

[ScottThuy 140]

QUOTE (Anh map @ Aug 9 2009, 02:23 PM) I am bumping this topic because no one has volunteered to pass along their timeline.

Brother John, if the CO said your timeline was the best, why not share it with others?

Here is an example similar to what I submitted to USCIS... it includes some additional info in preparation of resubmit to HCMC... names changed to protect the guilty..

any feedback appreciated as I expect to be required to resubmit an updated version at interview. tried to attach but it said no MS Word 2007 files allowed...

Joe USC

<PETITONERS ADDRESS>

U.S. Consulate General.

Immigrant Visa Section

4 Le Duan St., District 01,

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.

Re: Timeline of relationship with my fiancé, Anh Jane Phan (DOB: 11-20-1922 Case number HCM #### ### ###).

I, Joe USC, a citizen of the U.S. am the fiancé of Jane Viet (Jane), The following is a sworn affidavit documenting the timeline of our relationship during 11-15-2008 to present.

In November 2008 while I was working in Hanoi lecturing at Employer, I was staying at the Daewoo Hotel. On the morning of 11-15-2008, employer sent Jane, a class manager with Employer to escort me to the class which she manages. I was scheduled to lecture to her class that day. I was very impressed with how she managed the class and we talked a great deal on breaks during that day.

11-18-2008 The director of Employer sent Jane to guide me around HaNoi as I wanted to do some shopping while there. We spent the afternoon shopping and taking about our families and lives. We both felt attracted to each other at this point. Prior to my departure we discussed my upcoming trip to lecture in HCMC and I indicated that I may return to HaNoi prior to my lectures to spend more time with her and get to know her better. We shared contact information Joe Departed VN return to US

11-19-2009 We began emailing and talking via VOIP shortly thereafter.

12-14-2008 Joe arrived HaNoi to visit Jane before my lectures in HCMC.

12-16-2008 We decided to take a day trip to Ninh Binh so I could learn more about her culture and the country outside of the major cities.

12-17-2008 Travel to HCMC with Jane to lecture at Employer. We spend time together in HCMC as I was able to show her a part of VN she had never seen that I was familiar with from a previous visit. We enjoyed the holiday decorations in HCMC.

12-21-2008 Jane left HCMC to return to HaNoi on and I returned to the US on 12-22-2008

01-13-2009- I asked Jane to Marry me and she agreed but indicated there were issues that must be resolved (divorces).

03-12-2009 Jane submit request for Divorce to VN government.

03-22-2009 Joe Purchased engagement ring for Jane

04-04-2009 Joe arrives HaNoi with my son Jr, to visit Jane on Spring Break Holiday and bring engagement ring check in Indochina 1 Hotel.

04-06-2009 - Jr and Joe, met Jane's family at their home, A great meal.. her mother is a great cook! We later that day departed HaNoi by Livitrans train to Lao Cai to visit Sapa.

04-07-2009 Arrive Lao Cai and bus to Sapa. Check in Holiday Sapa Hotel. Day trip to Cat Cat villiage

04-08-2009 Shopping in Sapa and day trip to Ta Van Villiage to see minority peoples.

04-09-2009 Bus to Lao Cai, Overnight Train to Hanoi. Return to Indochina Hotel.

04-10-2009 Joe Meeting with A company Jr Jane and Joe have Dinner at Daewoo hotel with Joe

04-11-2009 04-12-2009 Shopping and relaxing around Hanoi.. Joe not feeling well.

04-13-2009 Jane goes to meet government about her divorce. Not a planned meeting and our trip to Hoi An and Hue are cancelled as a result.

04-14-2009 Jr and I go shopping, visit Military History museum and Museum of Literature. Had to move to different hotel.. Sister hotel of Indochina..

04-15-2009 Flight to HCMC Check into Elios Hotel. Shopping and relaxing for a few days.

04-18-2009 Vina Express Hydrofoil to Vung Tau. Checked into Cap St Jacques Hotel. (taxi driver decision) Then off to the beach for a walk. Later A very overpriced dinner due to "market price" and then to Dog Races.

04-19-2009 Vina Express Hydrofoil to HCMC.

04-20-2009 04 21 2009 shopping and relax around HCMC

04-22-2009 Arrive Singapore with my son Jr and Jane. Celebrated my birthday together and we all enjoyed seeing a part of the world we had never seen before.

04-24-2009 Return HCMC to return to US and Jane Returned to HaNoi.

05-22-2009 Jane Divorce final.

05-28-2009 Joe Divorce final.

06-22-2009 Mailed I-129F

06-22-2009 NOA1

<DATE> Arrive in HaNoi to visit Jane and prepare for interview.

I found a woman that I love very much. More importantly I found in her what I've been looking for all my life. She is my life, my love, and I want to spend the rest of my life with her.

1 She is always there for me, patiently listening to my problems, shares her opinions and thoughts, and I do the same for her.

2 Last but not least, the most important thing in marriage is to love and be loved. I definitely find it with Jane. She is a very loving and passionate woman that values family very much. I never imagined I would find the love of my life halfway around the world and now I can't imagine a day without her in my life. She has become a part of my family as I have become a part of hers.

Jane Viet and I still remain in regular contact while we're apart from each other. We also intend to marry as soon as her visa is approved and look forward to starting our lives together as husband and wife when she arrives here in the U.S.

I, Joe USC, , a citizen of the U.S and currently reside at <PETITIONERS ADDRESS>, do hereby state that the following is true and accurate the best of my knowledge.

______________________________ _______________________________

Name Signature

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___________________

State of

___________________

County of

On this _____ day of _____________, <YEAR>, before me, a Notary Public for said County and State, personally appeared ______________________, known or identified to me, to be the person whose name is subscribed to the within instrument, and acknowledged to me that he executed the same.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my official seal the day and year in this certificate first above written.

Notary Public for the State of <STATE of PETIONERS RESIDENCE>

_____________________________

Notary Signature

(SEAL)

__________________________________

Name

__________________________________

Residing at

__________________________________

Commission Expires

Edited June 14, 2011 by ScottThuy

[luckytxn 2,264]

I am bumping this topic because no one has volunteered to pass along their timeline.

Brother John, if the CO said your timeline was the best, why not share it with others?

I did volunteer already.

[NQT1976 1]

I am bumping this topic because no one has volunteered to pass along their timeline.

Brother John, if the CO said your timeline was the best, why not share it with others?

I did volunteer already.

I would write a letter to address the red flag issues( a cover letter look like) then put timeline in a table with day on left and event on the right. get both noterized

[Huong and Phung 0]

I would write a letter to address the red flag issues( a cover letter look like) then put timeline in a table with day on left and event on the right. get both noterized

So yu think the letter would help? I might do this along with the timeline.

[NQT1976 1]

I would write a letter to address the red flag issues( a cover letter look like) then put timeline in a table with day on left and event on the right. get both noterized

So yu think the letter would help? I might do this along with the timeline.

I my case I write a letter to express that I don't need cosponsor and no I-864A is needed. and further focus to support the point in chronology like where we met why we get date and resion why we get marriage on first time visit and about a month of knowing each other.

I the time line I write very simple, just a table with 2 columns date on left and events on right each time separate by row.

I do a google search for chronology and look like the table is best fit, easy to write and easy to read.

any body have better idea ?

[ScottThuy 140]

I my case I write a letter to express that I don't need cosponsor and no I-864A is needed. and further focus to support the point in chronology like where we met why we get date and resion why we get marriage on first time visit and about a month of knowing each other.

I the time line I write very simple, just a table with 2 columns date on left and events on right each time separate by row.

I do a google search for chronology and look like the table is best fit, easy to write and easy to read.

any body have better idea ?

In blue slip they ask for "detailed timeline of relationship".. the word detailed is up to interpretation... it can mean many entries or it can mean deatailed explanation about each entry in timeline... there is no clarification from HCMC as to what exactly they want....

This is why Roger is looking for examples of what 'worked' so we can figure out what they are looking for in a "detailed timeline"

[Anh map 2,098]

Thanks for posting Jerome.

You and my dad (along with George Bush the father) have the same birthday.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Post temporarily removed in order to remove personal identifying information

[BinhJerome 14]

That is interesting to know. My post should be back up after they edit my personal info!

[ScottThuy 140]

That is interesting to know. My post should be back up after they edit my personal info!

Just change the names and places and repost... I think she just deleted so you could repost

[BinhJerome 14]

Here is my timeline with our personal information removed, hope this helps people!

(Your Name and Address here)

USA

U.S. Consulate General.

Immigrant Visa Section

4 Le Duan St., District 01,

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.

I, (your name and birthdate here) a citizen of the U.S. am the Fiancé of (your fiancee's name). The following is a sworn affidavit documenting the timeline of our relationship during May 23rd, 2008 to the present. Case number (your fiancee's case number here)

May 23rd. I received a smile on Saigondarlings.com from (your fiancee's name). I looked at her profile and I noticed that her Yahoo I.D. was in her profile. I added her to my Yahoo Messenger list. She added me as a friend and our relationship started. From the first time we started to chat with Yahoo we used the Voice feature and Web cam. We talked about one another and then we talked about what we both wanted in our future.

May 26th. (your fiancee's name) sent me photos for the first time

May 27th. We talked a couple of hours on Yahoo using voice about what each other wants in life. I know it is soon in a relationship but I know that night I was starting to fall in love with her. She is a wonderful person I can see when we talk about our day that she truly cares about others. She tells me about what each student does at school, about her family, and about her friends. I can tell through our conversations that she is serious about her future. It is strange but when you know you are meant to be with someone you just know, and I know that with her at this point.

May 28th. I sent (your fiancee's name) 2 separate emails one in the morning and one in the afternoon. I talked about my family, how I was raised, and that I am starting to gain true feelings for her. Talking every with Yahoo Voice service. I have started to fall in love with her, and I have told her for the first time that I love her. We became a boyfriend and girlfriend.

May 29th. We mainly use Yahoo as communication. It has a voice and web cam feature that is better and cheaper than a phone. We have daily chat, sometimes twice each day. Our chats include talk of each others days, what our plans are for the next day, and how our family is doing. We chat like we are husband and wife. Talking about each aspect of our day as if we were sitting across the table at dinner.

June 2nd. I sent (your fiancee's name) gifts for the first time. I sent her a shirt some shoes and a card that sang the song “How sweet it is to be loved by you”

Month of June. We continue to have daily communication each day, and on the weekends we have chat 2 times each day for hours each time.

June 12th. (your fiancee's name) sang me a song “Happy Birthday” and we chatted for hours.

July 1st. I sent her gifts again. I sent her a gold ring with diamonds saying “love” on the side of the ring. I also sent her a white skirt and a white shirt. I hid the ring on a button on the shirt. This way when she tried on the shirt for the first time she would find it then. It was a surprise for her.

Month of July. Same as in June and every month. We have daily communication using Yahoo chat with voice and web cam. It is so wonderful to be able to see who you are talking to while you talk. You can actually tell that they are interested in you and not just talking on the phone saying yes, yes, yes.

July 17th. got the package with the ring. I asked her to wait to open that package until we could chat. While we were chatting she opened up the package, and I asked her to put the shirt on over her other shirt just to try it on. When she did she did not notice the ring fall, and I said “Honey, what was that that fell?” She looked then when she found it she started to cry. It was a very special day. I called Binh on the telephone for the first time. Call quality is less than expected so we decided to use the telephone when the internet was down or if we were not home.

August 6th. I sent her gifts again. I sent Strawberry cheesecake in a box, small candies, and peaches from my garden.

August 23rd. She received the gifts. She told me the peaches did not taste right. When she showed them to me I had her throw them away because they were spoiled. I felt badly.

September 3rd. We started to get very serious. We talked about our futures in particular. Binh told me that she would leave Vietnam for me. We also talked about marriage, but we both decided that before we officially proposed that we should meet in person. This way we could make sure that our feelings were genuine. At this point in our relationship we know that we both want to marry one another and that we deeply and truly love each other.

September 6th. I started to look for a plane ticket and dates for my arrival.

September 11th. I tried to call my mom and she was not there. was able to speak with my son using the speaker phone and Yahoo.

October 15th. I bought the plane ticket. We start to plan my trip.

October 27th. I call my mother with my home phone and I put her on Speaker phone and Binh gets to wish her happy birthday. was extremely happy and so was my mother. Binh talked to my mom for quite a while on the phone. When I was about to hang up the phone Binh said “bye mom” I think my mom started to cry when she heard her say that. I love (your fiancee's name) so much for that. When Binh said that to my mom I knew that she wanted to be a part of my family

November 4th. We start to talk about what type of engagement party we will want to have. (your fiancee's name)starts to look at different restaurants and send me information on them.

November 17th. We have decided on the restaurant Van Thanh Resort. We reserve 10 tables for our party. picks out a 5 course meal with my help. We have crab soup to start. Then we had bread and beef, fried spring roll, we have a hot pot with beef and sea food. For dessert we have traditional Hue cakes and grapes.

November 28th. I send $600 for deposit for the restaurant for our engagement party. We know now that it is only a formality that we are not formally engaged. I want to ask her to marry me in person not over the internet. I love (your fiancee's name) so much at this point in our relationship that she is the only thing I think about.

December 5th. We start to make plans for the engagement party. We start to pick out the invitation cards and we do more planning on my trip. starts to look for hotels for me while I am in Vietnam.

December 17th. I chat one more time with (your fiancee's name) before I leave to go and visit her. I tell her how much I love her and that if something were to happen on my flight over there for her to know I loved her and I want her to be happy. She starts to cry and tells me not to talk that way.

December 18th. I leave Indiana to go to Vietnam.

December 19th. I arrive at SGN airport about midnight. As soon as I walked out of the airport I see hundreds of people. I start to scan the people until I see the most beautiful woman in the world. (your fiancee's name) comes running up with her brother Hung. (your fiancee's name) gives me a big hug and we have our first kiss. It was the kiss I will remember for the rest of my life. I stayed the night at Alan and Van’s house. They are Binh’s friends.

December 20th. In the morning (your fiancee's name) took me to the hotel Thai Ha Huy on Le Van Sy Street, where we checked in. Later in the morning we went to her house and I get to meet her Mother, aunts. Her brother Hung is also there. (your fiancee's name)and I get to talk all morning long. About 2:00 p.m. we decide to go to the zoo in HCMC. Hung joins us for the afternoon. While at the Zoo I decide to propose to her. I picked the spot in front of the Lions cage while the Lion was roaring. I got down on my knee and took (your fiancee's name)by the hand and put the engagement ring on her finger as I asked her to marry me. (your fiancee's name) said yes as soon as I asked her. I stood up and gave her a kiss. We finished our walk through the zoo then we hurried home so that we could tell mom the good news. When we told her, she told Binh to make me promise that I would take care of her for the rest of our lives. I told (your fiancee's name)to tell her that I would always protect and take care of her. Then she hugged me and gave me a kiss on the cheek.

December 21st. (your fiancee's name) and I went out and got Traditional wedding rings for the engagement ceremony. After we went shopping for our rings we went to Saigon Super Bowl so that we could relax and have some fun. We went bowling and I won both games. We got ice cream from the market in Super Bowl and brought it back for her family.

December 22nd. (your fiancee's name) and I went to the Reunification Palace. While there they had a school doing a field trip, and one of the students said “hello” in English so I replied in Vietnamese “Xin Chao” For the rest of the visit every time the students would go by I would be saying “Xin Chao” over and over again. After we left the Reunification Palace we went to visit the Notre Dame church, and to take a few photos. We ate dinner at Alan and Van’s house. We had some spicy Thai food. Alan offered for me to stay with them at their home.

December 23rd. (your fiancee's name) and I checked out of the Hotel and moved my clothes to Alan and Van’s house. We then went to the War museum. Later that night Binh introduced me to two of her good friends, Chad and Uyen. We had drinks at Saigon pho coffee shop. We had milk shakes, and we talked for a couple of hours.

December 24th. In the morning I got fitted for my ao dai. After that we relaxed at her house. (your fiancee's name) mother made chicken noodle soup for lunch and Spaghetti for Dinner

December 25th. We went to celebrate Christmas at Alan and Van’s house. We ate Barbecue ribs, fish, squid, and baked potatoes and toasted with champagne. Later that night we called my mother and son, wishing them a merry Christmas.

December 26th. We prepared for the traditional engagement party at home with the help from her mother and brother. We went to pick up my ao dai. Later in the evening we went to an Italian restaurant Chef Mama and had Lasagna and Lamb.

December 27th. Our engagement ceremony day! In the morning we were busy getting the house ready and greeting guests at her house. At noon (your fiancee's name)went to get her hair done and I stayed at her house with her brother and got dressed and greeted more family and friends. At 3:00 p.m. we prayed to her ancestors and I was introduced to her family and relatives. At 6:00 pm we went to Van Thanh Resort Restaurant-Binh Quoi Tourism. There we had an engagement dinner with 100 of her relatives and friends.

December 28th. My Fiancée and I went shopping at “backpackers” area and relaxed at her home.

December 29th. My Fiancée and I went to Cat Tien National Park, Dong Nai Province. Along the way we visited my fiancée’s aunt, uncle and cousin at their home. When we got to the park we went off the trail into the actual jungle, and we did not see anything, when we got back to the trail Binh started to scream she noticed that her legs and feet were covered in leeches. We had to take our shoes and socks off and even take the shoe laces out of our shoes to get all the leeches off of us. There had to be over 100 on each of us. After we got our shoes back on we started to walk down the trail again. I heard a noise and as I took one more step I saw out of the corner of my eye a Cobra. I jumped back and could not believe my eyes. It started to go back into the jungle so I gently pulled on its tail so that it would turn and face me, so that I could get photos of it. I also was able to take a video of it. I used a stick to pick him up. It was a great time in the Jungle with my beautiful Fiancée. When we got back from the National Park we went to eat Vietnamese pancakes for dinner. This is when I found out that people leave the skin on shrimp and eat it.

December 30th. In the morning we were about to go to Mekong Delta, while Binh was getting ready I was petting Alan’s dog when it decided to bite me twice. I had to go to Family Medical Practice HCMC. They put stitches in both bites. We were unable to go to Mekong Delta, so instead we went to the movies and watched “The Day The Earth Stood Still”. Then we had dinner at Majestic restaurant and ate hotpot and fresh spring rolls

December 31st. We went stayed at Alan and Van’s house and just spent time together talking to each other and with Alan before he had to go back to China on business.

January 1st 2009. We went to her house to wish her family happy new year. We went to watch the film Australia at Galaxy cinema, and then we went back to Alan and Van’s house to spend time together and talk about our future.

January 2nd. We stayed at her house most of the day with some shopping near her home. I made Mexican food for her family. My fiancée told me that I was a very lucky man and that she thinks I am the only man to ever cook in her mother’s kitchen.

January 3rd. My fiancée, her mother, brother and 2 of his friends went to Dai Nam National Park, Binh Duong Province. We had a great time looking at all the water fountains and waterfalls. We took many photos, and videos of the day.

January 4th. We relaxed at her mom’s house and I made a bread bowl dish for lunch. We also went walking around HCMC and went to the post office and took photos.

January 5th. We treated Van, her daughter and her maid to Mexican food for letting me stay with them.

January 6th. My last day in Vietnam. It was a very sad day. We mainly set around my fiancée’s house. In the evening we went to eat dinner as a family. We had hot pot. Then my fiancée and her mother took me to the airport. We waited outside the airport for about 20 minutes, and I had to go inside. I was so sad and I did not want to let them see me cry.

January 12th. I sent my fiancée an American flag bikini for her birthday along with 2 shirts and a Valentine card that I spoke into saying “I love you Binh today, tomorrow, always and forever. You are always in my heart always on my mind. I love you”

February 1st. I filed the K1 Visa application

February 9th. I received the NOA1 from USCIS

February 23rd. I sent 4 boxes of Girl Scout Cookies, 2 packages of salsa mix, 5 bags of beef jerky, and two tank tops.

February 24th. I ordered a Digital photo frame for my fiancée’s mother’s birthday on April 8th.

Month of March. We continue to have daily conversations with Voice service from Yahoo messenger and web cam. Each night we talk about our days, and our dreams. I will take my laptop outside to show her the house, and my dogs. When I cook I take the laptop in the kitchen and she can watch me cook. It is as if we were together.

March 25th. My fiancée received the digital photo frame for her mom’s birthday

April 8th. We received NOA2 approval letter from USCIS.

April 20th. My fiancée told me on Yahoo that she sent me Lacquer painting for my birthday

April 27th. My fiancée tells me she has received packet 3!!

May 9th. My fiancée shows me a robe that she bought for my son and cigarettes that she bought for my mom. She tells me that she is going to send them the next day.

May 15th I sent 2 packages of really hot salsa mix, and a bag of dill pickle mix, and some sweets.

May 19th. My fiancée told me that she sent off packet 3 to the HCMC Consulate.

June 2nd. I sent my fiancée all the documents that were requested by the HCMC Consulate

June 8th. I requested Vacation time to make a second trip to Vietnam before the interview, but my boss would not allow me to use my vacation time.

June 11th. My fiancée tells me that she received packet 4 from the HCMC Consulate.

June 12th. My fiancée sings me songs and plays her guitar on Yahoo for my birthday. She said “I look like a monkey and I smell like one too!” We both laughed about it.

June 13th. My fiancée told me that she has received the documents I sent her.

June 16th. I sent my fiancée a web cam, strawberry jam, and tortillas for Mexican food.

July 3rd. I sent my fiancée a cell phone with a sim card that would work once she landed in America so that I could find her easily at the airport when she arrived.

July 4th. We talked about our planned wedding. We have decided on the date of September 5th over the Labor Day weekend. We have also decided that it would be in Missouri where most of my friends live. We can not get any more exact plans until after we know she is going to get the visa. I want to make sure she will be here before we reserve the exact church and banquet hall.

July 9th. My fiancée went to do her medical exam at Cho Ray Hospital.

July 20th. We talk about the interview and discuss our plans on when she will come to America after she gets the pink slip.

July 23rd. My fiancée’s visa interview is at 9:30. I called her before she went there and told her that I will be awake until we know about the visa. She called me at 1:00 a.m. my time and told me she has no news yet but that she is at lunch break. Then at 2:35 a.m. she called me and said that we got a blue slip. We are both heart broken because she says they are asking for evidence that no one ever told us that we needed.

July 24th. I talked to her for hours trying to cheer her up, and to figure out what we need for this visa. We are both heart broken over the news. I keep telling her that blue is not a denial, with the requested information we can still get the visa and I promised to get her the information that she needs. I applied for a visa to come back to Vietnam on August 1st. I tell my boss I have to take time off from August 1st to the 12th, so that I can go back to Vietnam. My fiancée needs me and I will be there for her. I love (your fiancee's name) and she is my world.

August 1st. I plan to travel to Vietnam, to personally deliver the requested information on my ex wife and on the timeline on Monday August 3rd

I, (place your name here) swear that what I have written is accurate and truthful.

________________________________________ Date _________________

[ScottThuy 140]

Jerome,

What info did they want in the blue? a timeline and what else?

[BinhJerome 14]

Jerome,

What info did they want in the blue? a timeline and what else?

Timeline, proof of residence for my ex wife with whom I have been divorced for 2 years prior to meeting my fiancee, they also wanted to know her citizenship status, she was a american, go figure,and proof of residence where my fiancees family lives in the united states