Visa denied for supposed false declaration of US citizenship

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Ya know... once she is a Canadian, it's not very difficult to visit the USA through the VWP.

How does obtaining Canadian Citizenship erase the lifetime ban for false claim of US citizenship? Unless I don't understand something she is banned from entry into the US period...

[toma1 10]

How does obtaining Canadian Citizenship erase the lifetime ban for false claim of US citizenship? Unless I don't understand something she is banned from entry into the US period...

Canadians that drive across the border are not thoroughly checked, as they do not need a visa in advance. A Canadian with her new husband's last name--say Maria Smith, for all intents and purposes will not be recognized on crossing the border as the Mexican Maria Gonzales that has a lifetime ban. She will not be required to provide any documentation, other than her Canadian passport.

And what is the risk anyway? Zero. She already has a lifetime ban. Would she get ban for her next life, too?

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Don't doctors have mandated fee limitations under the CHA? With that in place and a huge southern neighbor that does not have a similar system, it's no wonder Canada has a doctor shortage. As long as it is easy for a doctor to work on the US side of the border, it's a simple supply and demand problem. Price ceilings cause shortages.

And price floors cause surpluses--as in the US Dairy industry.

The reason for the doctor shortage has more to do with the colleges only allowing certain number of spaces each year and requiring immigrating doctors to train under the Canadian system before being licensed. It isn't the price ceiling demand that has caused shortages but the protectionist actions of the licensing boards that want to keep profits high by limiting available doctors - but it has come back to bite them big time.

[toma1 10]

The reason for the doctor shortage has more to do with the colleges only allowing certain number of spaces each year and requiring immigrating doctors to train under the Canadian system before being licensed. It isn't the price ceiling demand that has caused shortages but the protectionist actions of the licensing boards that want to keep profits high by limiting available doctors - but it has come back to bite them big time.

Poo.

I'm not saying that those things don't aggravate the problem--of course they do--but the price ceilings are the heart of the problem and always have been.

"After spending a decade in university, going $100,000 in debt and taking on life-or-death responsibility, doctors are wondering why they make the same salary as auto plant workers."

http://www.caribbeanmedicine.com/article9.htm

"Young doctors are more likely to seek the most lucrative work in cities or go to the United States rather than start more modest practices in small towns because of growing debts when they leave medical school. That has set off an increasing competition among small towns to attract doctors."

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/docshortage2.html

"The doctor shortage began in the mid-1980s -- not coincidentally, at the same time the last Trudeau government passed the Canada Health Act, which forbade user fees, balanced billing by doctors and private clinics and hospitals. Immediately, doctors began moving to the United States by the hundreds every year."

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=222287#ixzz0k5TgnPvJ

"Over the quarter century since the Canada Health Act became law, approximately 12,000 Canadian doctors have moved south. According to another article in the CMAJ last winter, "this is the equivalent of having two average-sized Canadian medical schools dedicated to producing physicians for the United States" every year for 25 years."

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=222287#ixzz0k5Tovsn9

"A visiting friend from Canada explained one reason why there is a doctor shortage in his nation. Canada's tax laws set the taxation rate at 80%, once a given level of income is reached. Most doctors, he said, reach that level by the end of October. Rather than work hard in order to keep a paltry 20% of their earnings, many doctors flee to Florida to enjoy two+ months of vacation in the sun."

http://anglikin.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-canada-has-doctor-shortage.html

"Canada's proximity to the United States causes a "brain drain" or migration of Canadian-trained doctors and nurses (as well as other professionals) to the United States, where private hospitals can pay much higher wages and income tax rates are lower (partially because health care is not covered through taxation)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada)

"The Canadian Medical Association (CMA) released a report[42] in July 2007 endorsing private healthcare as a means to improve an ailing healthcare system. Dr. Brian Day, who acted as President of the CMA in 2007/2008, is the owner of the largest private healthcare hospital in Canada and a proponent of mixed public and private healthcare in Canada."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada)

Edited April 4, 2010 by toma1

[Jaytee2009 0]

Cooks and sprinkler system installers even? WOW.. might be easier to list the ones that are aren't in demand. I guess they have a lot of space to fill up there...

Maybe the OP and/or his wife could fit into one of those categories, or at least get trained for one... some of them don't require much training. Ya know... once she is a Canadian, it's not very difficult to visit the USA through the VWP.

If we can't go back to the USA legally as a family, then we might try Canada, but it isn't easy. The US issues will have to come up because we have US born kids, and they will want to know how and when she was in the US. Then it is just a trust issue, because she would need to go to Canada probably first on a temporary visa, which means they have to believe she will go back to her home when the temporary visa is over, unless she is dual intent to apply for permanent residence but we would need more school or something to qualify under the points system.

Well, thinking positively, on the VWP, I was wondering this before. She was denied a visa for life, and considered inadmissable, but does that mean she can come into the US if she gets Canadian citizenship one day?

[toma1 10]

Well, thinking positively, on the VWP, I was wondering this before. She was denied a visa for life, and considered inadmissable, but does that mean she can come into the US if she gets Canadian citizenship one day?

Technically, no.

However, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that someone in her situation that acquired Canadian citizenship might be inadvertently admitted as a Canadian tourist simply because USCBP may not realize that she is the same person that was banned.

[toma1 10]

we would need more school or something to qualify under the points system.

Look at the NAFTA visas.

How much schooling does one need to qualify as a sprinkler system installer or cook?

I'm guessing... not much.

[Darnell 8,478]

Is 'staying in the USA' really a good option for you two?

I'd suggest immigrating to New Zealand or Australia, instead.

Good Luck !

(ya, look into it, see if yer skills qualify you for preference )

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Technically, no.

However, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that someone in her situation that acquired Canadian citizenship might be inadvertently admitted as a Canadian tourist simply because USCBP may not realize that she is the same person that was banned.

Being "inadvertently admitted" could lead to problems of it's own if she's caught in the US as she would be here illegally contrary to her lifetime ban.

Granted it's not like they could punish her more but really why spend all of that time effort & money to get here in a round about way and still be worried if she ever has to have her fingerprints registered?

[toma1 10]

Being "inadvertently admitted" could lead to problems of it's own if she's caught in the US as she would be here illegally contrary to her lifetime ban.

Granted it's not like they could punish her more but really why spend all of that time effort & money to get here in a round about way and still be worried if she ever has to have her fingerprints registered?

I think the point is that she would live in Canada and visit the USA ad hoc. And what would she need to worry about?